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Genneva proven a Ponzi Scheme, BNM says
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empyreal
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Oct 10 2012, 11:48 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(w3er @ Oct 10 2012, 11:46 PM) These ppl r so evil......When they cant sustain their scheme anymore... What they do? They ask the gov, which are probably working with them all this while, to raid themla Then ppl will go hoo haa for a while But after a few month.... Nobody will remember this anymore Juzt like mamaktir said " melayu mudah lupa" senang tipu! isnt it easier for them to just run? lol conspiracy theorist
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s[H]sIkuA
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Oct 10 2012, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 10 2012, 11:48 PM) isnt it easier for them to just run? lol conspiracy theorist they run means they will labeled as scammer in this case they can say BNM is in the wrong and in the future they can scam again
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robertngo
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Oct 10 2012, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(w3er @ Oct 10 2012, 11:46 PM) These ppl r so evil......When they cant sustain their scheme anymore... What they do? They ask the gov, which are probably working with them all this while, to raid themla Then ppl will go hoo haa for a while But after a few month.... Nobody will remember this anymore Juzt like mamaktir said " melayu mudah lupa" senang ditipu! this kind of scheme got new one every year, every year also go scheme that collapse when boss run away with money or busted by BNM, but still got people to join the new scheme that come up after it.
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SUSw3er
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Oct 10 2012, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(tarbana90 @ Oct 10 2012, 11:45 PM) But what happens to the chairman, directors etc? Cabut adi? Enjoying and partying with those big shots la.... U know..... Money can settle everything Malaysia boleh!
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EarendurFefalas
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Oct 10 2012, 11:50 PM
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Does BNM know how these people get the "Shariah compliance" ? This only make shariah compliance looks really bad
Last time also have business like this. But selling vase. Same method buy the vase, get monthly income and when the time is up, the company buy the vase back or you sell it on your own
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empyreal
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Oct 10 2012, 11:54 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Oct 10 2012, 11:49 PM) they run means they will labeled as scammer in this case they can say BNM is in the wrong and in the future they can scam again they dont run they get charged in court for a whole host of crimes. theyre probably already out of the country already QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Oct 10 2012, 11:50 PM) Does BNM know how these people get the "Shariah compliance" ? This only make shariah compliance looks really bad Last time also have business like this. But selling vase. Same method buy the vase, get monthly income and when the time is up, the company buy the vase back or you sell it on your own im sure their shariah compliance is as legit as their business model
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SUSrandyhow
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Oct 11 2012, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 10 2012, 11:54 PM) they dont run they get charged in court for a whole host of crimes. theyre probably already out of the country already im sure their shariah compliance is as legit as their business model actually most Ponzi scheme boss in Malaysia walk free,.... steven corner still got his own shop after Island Cafe scam...
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acam2812
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Oct 11 2012, 12:01 AM
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u put syariah in front, for sure laku.
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SUSw3er
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Oct 11 2012, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 10 2012, 11:48 PM) isnt it easier for them to just run? lol conspiracy theorist U know how long already this genneva has been operating? And how many complains have been lodged against them??? The gov, police and BNM, not only went silent mode, but did nothing against them for so long And genneva was growing bigger and bigger each day No thanks to mamaktir and rosmah help
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s[H]sIkuA
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Oct 11 2012, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 10 2012, 11:54 PM) they dont run they get charged in court for a whole host of crimes. theyre probably already out of the country already maybe I am new to this but correct me if I am wrong, the first case of Genneva (under the name of GSB, this time its GMSB) is still being on trial since 2009... they can still comes up with the current Genneva even when the first one is still under investigation Cool isn't it, when you are in the suspected list but still can open a new company and con people with it.
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empyreal
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Oct 11 2012, 12:08 AM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(w3er @ Oct 11 2012, 12:02 AM) U know how long already this genneva has been operating? And how many complains have been lodged against them??? The gov, police and BNM, not only went silent mode, but did nothing against them for so long And genneva was growing bigger and bigger each day No thanks to mamaktir and rosmah help and i suppose the investigation period was only like 48 hours, eh, before they conclude it? im sure you also believe that the authorities just decides to raid businesses randomly without extensive investigations or warrants besides, they WERE complaints. do you really think that the authorities would just raid a business without a complaint? "yeah, today's a slow day... maybe we should raid this florist just to see if she's laundering money". why stop there "lets arrest this random passerby then see if he's guilty of something while he's in lockup" really?
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SUSrandyhow
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Oct 11 2012, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(w3er @ Oct 11 2012, 12:02 AM) U know how long already this genneva has been operating? And how many complains have been lodged against them??? The gov, police and BNM, not only went silent mode, but did nothing against them for so long And genneva was growing bigger and bigger each day No thanks to mamaktir and rosmah help hey,... even the customer protest this raid.... imagine how many complain actually got ???....don't blame the regulator, blame the gullible investor...
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robertngo
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Oct 11 2012, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Oct 11 2012, 12:04 AM) maybe I am new to this but correct me if I am wrong, the first case of Genneva (under the name of GSB, this time its GMSB) is still being on trial since 2009... they can still comes up with the current Genneva even when the first one is still under investigation Cool isn't it, when you are in the suspected list but still can open a new company and con people with it. they are not proven guilty in court, they are still consider innocent. but BNM always have genneva under their warning list, people still want to believe in the same group of people and invest, what can they do?
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s[H]sIkuA
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Oct 11 2012, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Oct 11 2012, 12:10 AM) they are not proven guilty in court, they are still consider innocent. but BNM always have genneva under their warning list, people still want to believe in the same group of people and invest, what can they do? but... but normally in malaysia you're guilty until proven innocent!
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SUSrandyhow
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Oct 11 2012, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Oct 11 2012, 12:04 AM) maybe I am new to this but correct me if I am wrong, the first case of Genneva (under the name of GSB, this time its GMSB) is still being on trial since 2009... they can still comes up with the current Genneva even when the first one is still under investigation Cool isn't it, when you are in the suspected list but still can open a new company and con people with it. malaysia is a scammer's heaven,.... how many scratch and win scam's boss go to jail ??
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empyreal
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Oct 11 2012, 12:13 AM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Oct 11 2012, 12:04 AM) maybe I am new to this but correct me if I am wrong, the first case of Genneva (under the name of GSB, this time its GMSB) is still being on trial since 2009... they can still comes up with the current Genneva even when the first one is still under investigation Cool isn't it, when you are in the suspected list but still can open a new company and con people with it. not sure if they're the exact same people, but genneva (the new one) has already been on the fraud list for a while as bnm was doing their investigation. cant tell people to stop their business until you have enough evidence to raid and charge them, right? the best bnm can do is to list out the companies that are suspect if people are still insistent on doing business that is ALREADY BEING INVESTIGATED then its really the investor's fault for taking that risk
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pandah
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Oct 11 2012, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Oct 11 2012, 12:10 AM) they are not proven guilty in court, they are still consider innocent. but BNM always have genneva under their warning list, people still want to believe in the same group of people and invest, what can they do? if they conclude that it is a business based on ponzi, can't they ban the business and gantung their license for operating?
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SUSrandyhow
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Oct 11 2012, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Oct 11 2012, 12:12 AM) but... but normally in malaysia you're guilty until proven innocent! thats new law,... 114a is different...
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yinchet
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Oct 11 2012, 12:14 AM
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If you wish for peace, prepare for war
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Oct 11 2012, 12:08 AM) and i suppose the investigation period was only like 48 hours, eh, before they conclude it? im sure you also believe that the authorities just decides to raid businesses randomly without extensive investigations or warrants besides, they WERE complaints. do you really think that the authorities would just raid a business without a complaint? "yeah, today's a slow day... maybe we should raid this florist just to see if she's laundering money". why stop there "lets arrest this random passerby then see if he's guilty of something while he's in lockup" really? well Malaysian don't research on BNM warning list before investing. what more to say. when shit happen they blame BNM not themselves.
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SUSrandyhow
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Oct 11 2012, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(pandah @ Oct 11 2012, 12:13 AM) if they conclude that it is a business based on ponzi, can't they ban the business and gantung their license for operating? they can always close shop,... change name,... and start a new 1,... u blow him no expand..
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