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debbierowe
post Nov 17 2012, 10:31 AM

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Not easy to let go your home country??? What rubbish. It 's all in your mind
Me?? I wasn't born with a silverspoon in my mouth. My grades were just 'average'. Finished F5 and can't get into F6. Relatives in Canada sponsored me over. When that day came, just packed my bags  and  headed to the airport and that was it. The unspoken rule was I aint coming back until I got my degree. In Canada, I did my G12. Again, average grades. Applied to uni and had to wait till early Aug to I get my acceptance letter Cream of the crops get their choice while people like me were fillers. Took me 5 years to complete my degree. Why?? cvos i bombed my Calculus on my first attempt. Calculus was a prerequiste course for some of the courses. So it was 6 years beore I go home. When I got home I cannot tahan the heat and humidity. House has no air con.Only fans. Still remembers taking 6-7 baths a day just to cool down
Was very happy when that day came when I headed to the airport. Back to Canada
Currently working with company whose clients are oil/gas companies, pulp and paper companies, mining companies and petrochemical companies.  Coming back to Malaysia to work?? Forget it. I am just a BSc holder with average grade. I am sure Talent Corp consider me as a non talent. Despite the gov't taking some 25% of my paycheque, I am still better off financially. Car is cheap, gas is cheap. food is cheap, eating out is expensive but junk food is cheap ,electronic stuff are cheap etc. Eg Nissan Rogue AWD 2013 model is around $27k while gas is around $1.15/L, 10 pcs KFC plus medium fries is less than $21. Working and pay taxes,health care is taken care off. No need to buy expensive private insurance etc etc
My advise. if you thinking of migration, don't be sentimental. Cross the bridge and burn it
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haha.. would like to ask TS, who iron your shirts, do your laundry and serve hot food to you like u r the king

i sure TS cannot let go off being mama's boy
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post Nov 17 2012, 10:45 AM

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post Nov 17 2012, 10:51 AM

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I was studying in NZ for 5 years, got my PR after I graduated but couldnt find a job. So went back to MY to work for 1 year then moved to SG. My advice, work in MY first, financial stable then decide to move later
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post Nov 17 2012, 10:51 AM

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havent finish grow pubic hair..dah nak migrate
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 17 2012, 10:31 AM)
haha.. would like to ask TS, who iron your shirts, do your laundry and serve hot food to you like u r the king

i sure TS cannot let go off being mama's boy
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So far im staying at hostel. So yea, all done my self except food i eat outside (duno how to cook) . Sometimes just go back home town 2 weeks once to see my mum. LOL
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post Nov 17 2012, 05:43 PM

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just make sure other country want you
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post Nov 17 2012, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(ineser @ Nov 17 2012, 10:51 AM)
I was studying in NZ for 5 years, got my PR after I graduated but couldnt find a job. So went back to MY to work for 1 year then moved to SG. My advice, work in MY first, financial stable then decide to move later
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Do you automatically get PR after 5 years in NZ even though it's for education purpose??

In the UK, residence for education purpose doesn't count towards getting permanent residency. sad.gif
youloke
post Nov 17 2012, 09:54 PM

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well, as for my opinion, if u holds tarc degree, yes most of the places recognize the certificate and it shouldnt be a problem for u getting a job overseas(what matter is how much the job pays u?). For me, im going to UK on January to get my degree for one year..I been there for holiday, even been to china, australia. Main problem im facing, is with food, well u think in overseas u can have rice?or u think u can have the kind of taste u eat here?NO..in UK, people eat fast foods, even if u eat their chinatown rice, u will feel awkwardly different. In China, yes they eat rice, but the taste totally different, it doesnt suit us at all what more to say about Australia?How about weather?Went to UK 9 day holiday my skin dry like hell..yes u can adapt overtime. but malaysia will always be the place that u were born and raise n ur root are here. I hate how to government treat us, but i love my country. THis is where i born.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Nov 17 2012, 07:58 AM)
Take it from me it isn't easy. There will be days when you just drop to your knees, swear at the Almighty and cry your heart out. Some days will get so hard you just want to lay in bed. And there will be many of those days.

I'm not sure you're the type that has commitment. But if you can be the type that sees things through, that takes a step forward regardless of adversity and a very thick skull. You'll do just fine here. Or anywhere else for that matter. Hell, if you have that mean streak that tell you to never give up, you could be dropped into Congo and come out a millionaire in 5 years.

If you want to migrate, be sure you have the attitude.
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Agreed 110% !!!! Sometimes people think going overseas to study/live is like vacation but they dont see the down days. You just described my down days to the T ! There will be times where you wonder WTH are you doing so far from home. Some days you just want to lock yourself in your room, put on emo music and just be emo. So yeah, make sure your are ready mentally as well.

QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 17 2012, 09:13 PM)
Do you automatically get PR after 5 years in NZ even though it's for education purpose??

In the UK, residence for education purpose doesn't count towards getting permanent residency. sad.gif
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I dont know about NZ but for UK since this years imigration changes, education visa i.e. Tier 4's can cout towards PR-ship. Its 10 years for a mixture of education and work visa but if you get like a Tier 1 (last time) or Tier 2 (now) for 5 years for more, you can start to apply for PR already.


QUOTE(youloke @ Nov 17 2012, 09:54 PM)
well, as for my opinion, if u holds tarc degree, yes most of the places recognize the certificate and it shouldnt be a problem for u getting a job overseas(what matter is how much the job pays u?). For me, im going to UK on January to get my degree for one year..I been there for holiday, even been to china, australia. Main problem im facing, is with food, well u think in overseas u can have rice?or u think u can have the kind of taste u eat here?NO..in UK, people eat fast foods, even if u eat their chinatown rice, u will feel awkwardly different. In China, yes they eat rice, but the taste totally different, it doesnt suit us at all what more to say about Australia?How about weather?Went to UK 9 day holiday my skin dry like hell..yes u can adapt overtime. but malaysia will always be the place that u were born and raise n ur root are here. I hate how to government treat us, but i love my country. THis is where i born.
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I beg to differ. I have been studying and living in the UK for 3+ years now. And I can swear chinese food here taste so much better than make home is Malaysia, this is because the chefs are from China or HK so the receipes are authenthic. Msia dim sum cannot fight UK dim sum, even those in Msian highclass hotel only can par with UK dim sum. Also there are alot of Msian food here, nowadays can easily get. Of course for the more rare stuff like panda leaf, belacan etc. have to go to asian grocer but stuff like Milo, tom yam paste all big super markets like Tesco, Sainburys, Waitrose M&S all also have already.
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post Nov 18 2012, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Barack Obama @ Oct 22 2012, 08:49 PM)
Try go Australia, quite near also
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Be warned, unless you have australian qualification or working experience, finding a job is very difficult. And I say this in general, with the exception of IT qualification.

Times are bad now, so pls think long and hard.
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post Nov 18 2012, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(youloke @ Nov 17 2012, 09:54 PM)
well, as for my opinion, if u holds tarc degree, yes most of the places recognize the certificate and it shouldnt be a problem for u getting a job overseas(what matter is how much the job pays u?). For me, im going to UK on January to get my degree for one year..I been there for holiday, even been to china, australia. Main problem im facing, is with food, well u think in overseas u can have rice?or u think u can have the kind of taste u eat here?NO..in UK, people eat fast foods, even if u eat their chinatown rice, u will feel awkwardly different. In China, yes they eat rice, but the taste totally different, it doesnt suit us at all what more to say about Australia?How about weather?Went to UK 9 day holiday my skin dry like hell..yes u can adapt overtime. but malaysia will always be the place that u were born and raise n ur root are here. I hate how to government treat us, but i love my country. THis is where i born.
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Actually, in Australia and NZ - most people can't find a job even with very good education qualification. The most common reason is because they "do not have local experience". Even senior ppl that migrate there have a hard time finding jobs. It may be easier if you have an Australian or NZ qualification but then again, I also know ppl who already has PR there, lived there and graduated there yet can't find jobs there. Believe our fellow member ineser here also experience the same thing.

As for food, I've been traveling to many parts of the world and I can say that food is not really a big problem at all. Almost everywhere you'll find a "China Town" no matter how small it is. Could even find Malaysian Satay in some small town in Europe. If you go to Australia, you see Malaysians almost everywhere and restaurants that sell all sorts of Asian food everywhere. The supermarket overseas do sell rice, of course more expensive but still got. In NZ (and I'm sure many other countries as well), there are huge chain supermarkets run by Chinese that sell all sorts of Chinese and Asian stuff even frozen pandan leaf, durian and so on. You wanna make ba zhang, just go to the shop and they can bring out all the ingredients you need to make it for you. Of course we will always miss Malaysian food but to many, it's not a problem at all. smile.gif

Weather definitely will be changes. Can one adapt to a 4 season country? How bout snow? It's a hassle when the country has snow too.

I disagree with your other points but I agree with your last. I still prefer to live in Malaysia. wink.gif
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post Nov 18 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 18 2012, 02:13 AM)
Do you automatically get PR after 5 years in NZ even though it's for education purpose??

In the UK, residence for education purpose doesn't count towards getting permanent residency. sad.gif
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No you can't get PR by just studying. If you enrol fulltime for a course recognised by NZQA for at least 1 year. You can get 1 year job search work permit after your study. If you can get a job within that 1 year and if the job entitles you to have 2 years work permit, you can apply for PR after two years working.


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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Nov 18 2012, 06:58 PM)
Actually, in Australia and NZ - most people can't find a job even with very good education qualification. The most common reason is because they "do not have local experience". Even senior ppl that migrate there have a hard time finding jobs. It may be easier if you have an Australian or NZ qualification but then again, I also know ppl who already has PR there, lived there and graduated there yet can't find jobs there. Believe our fellow member ineser here also experience the same thing.

As for food, I've been traveling to many parts of the world and I can say that food is not really a big problem at all. Almost everywhere you'll find a "China Town" no matter how small it is. Could even find Malaysian Satay in some small town in Europe. If you go to Australia, you see Malaysians almost everywhere and restaurants that sell all sorts of Asian food everywhere. The supermarket overseas do sell rice, of course more expensive but still got. In NZ (and I'm sure many other countries as well), there are huge chain supermarkets run by Chinese that sell all sorts of Chinese and Asian stuff even frozen pandan leaf, durian and so on. You wanna make ba zhang, just go to the shop and they can bring out all the ingredients you need to make it for you. Of course we will always miss Malaysian food but to many, it's not a problem at all. smile.gif

Weather definitely will be changes. Can one adapt to a 4 season country? How bout snow? It's a hassle when the country has snow too.

I disagree with your other points but I agree with your last. I still prefer to live in Malaysia. wink.gif
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different people have different experience. The key thing to job search is positive attitude. I have a migrant friend who was a GM level, has no NZ experience, he found job within 2 months. He found his job through networking not through applying jobs in the internet, recruitment agency or newspaper.

Another migrant friend who moved over about 3 months, also a very senior IT personnel, no NZ experience, not NZ graduate, though he hasn't got a job, he had very good interviews with big companies, and he is very positive. I am very confident he is about to get a contract job for at least NZ$75 an hour, the recruitment agency just confirmed verbally last friday.

So you see, whatever you do is about your attitude. No one owes you a living, you have to have a very positive outlook. If you are negative, this will reflect on your expression and body language when you go for interview.

Migration is a big decision, and it is not for everyone. If you have decided this is the move for you, by hooks or by crooks, you have to make it happened for you.

Learn from the best, ignored the rest. Learn from those who had succeeded and benchmark against them.





This post has been edited by larrykiwi: Nov 18 2012, 03:49 PM
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post Nov 18 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(youloke @ Nov 17 2012, 09:54 PM)
well, as for my opinion, if u holds tarc degree, yes most of the places recognize the certificate and it shouldnt be a problem for u getting a job overseas(what matter is how much the job pays u?). For me, im going to UK on January to get my degree for one year..I been there for holiday, even been to china, australia. Main problem im facing, is with food, well u think in overseas u can have rice?or u think u can have the kind of taste u eat here?NO..in UK, people eat fast foods, even if u eat their chinatown rice, u will feel awkwardly different. In China, yes they eat rice, but the taste totally different, it doesnt suit us at all what more to say about Australia?How about weather?Went to UK 9 day holiday my skin dry like hell..yes u can adapt overtime. but malaysia will always be the place that u were born and raise n ur root are here. I hate how to government treat us, but i love my country. THis is where i born.
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Rice is abundant in the UK.

And DIY - do it yourself please!!

Food wise, I think London has more to offer. They might not have the same food as typical Malaysian food, but there are alternatives.

QUOTE(defuser @ Nov 18 2012, 12:14 AM)
Agreed 110% !!!! Sometimes people think going overseas to study/live is like vacation but they dont see the down days. You just described my down days to the T ! There will be times where you wonder WTH are you doing so far from home. Some days you just want to lock yourself in your room, put on emo music and just be emo. So yeah, make sure your are ready mentally as well.
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It varies from person to person.

For me, there has not been a single day that I thought "WTH are you doing so far from home." I love staying here, everytime I walk through the city, I get reminded of how lucky I am to be here. My only nightmare is one day my parents might ask me to move back, which I most certainly hate to. I can only stay in Malaysia as a short term tourist, like 2 weeks max. If I go back to visit parents, ideal time frame is 10 days. I don't want to stay any longer.

It's just me.

QUOTE(larrykiwi @ Nov 18 2012, 03:35 PM)
No you can't get PR by just studying. If you enrol fulltime for a course recognised by NZQA for at least 1 year. You can get 1 year job search work permit after your study. If you can get a job within that 1 year and if the job entitles  you to have 2 years work permit, you can apply for PR after two years working.

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Thanks for the info. I thought it's the same like in Australia. I think in Australia permit for educational purposes are counted towards PR.

This post has been edited by TSOM: Nov 18 2012, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(larrykiwi @ Nov 18 2012, 03:35 PM)
different people have different experience. The key thing to job search is positive attitude. I have a migrant friend who was a GM level, has no NZ experience, he found job within 2 months. He found his job through networking not through applying jobs in the internet, recruitment agency or newspaper.

Another migrant friend who moved over about 3 months, also a very senior IT personnel, no NZ experience, not NZ graduate, though he hasn't got a job, he had very good interviews with big companies, and he is very positive. I am very confident he is about to get a contract job for at least NZ$75 an hour, the recruitment agency just confirmed verbally last friday.

So you see, whatever you do is about your attitude. No one owes you a living,  you have to have a very positive outlook. If you are negative, this will reflect on your expression and body language when you go for interview.

Migration is a big decision, and it is not for everyone. If you have decided this is the move for you, by hooks or by crooks, you have to make it happened for you.

Learn from the best, ignored the rest. Learn from those who had succeeded and benchmark against them.
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Yes different people will definitely have different experiences. There are those who are lucky and get good jobs like you and your other friends but not everyone is able to get a decent job. I'm not saying that getting a job overseas is impossible, it's just not as easy as some people think it is.

Again, migration is not for everyone and if TS or anyone else in this matter, plans to migrate, they should be aware of the possible situations that they may face but still hope for the best. The last thing one will want to experience is to sell off everything in Malaysia, go overseas, can't find a job for months/years and is not living a comfortable life as they imagine it to be. They should be prepared and make sure that they have enough savings for their expenses if they can't find a job immediately after moving there.
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 17 2012, 09:13 PM)
Do you automatically get PR after 5 years in NZ even though it's for education purpose??

In the UK, residence for education purpose doesn't count towards getting permanent residency. sad.gif
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Oh cause I got Electrical Engineering degree which gave me bonus points to apply for PR even without any work experience.
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QUOTE(ineser @ Nov 19 2012, 09:37 AM)
Oh cause I got Electrical Engineering degree which gave me bonus points to apply for PR even without any work experience.
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May I ask, which year was this?
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Do plenty of research first and foremost. Like which country, which city offer best opportunities based on you standing. There are so many online forums you can join and discuss before making the plunge. If you don't plan, you plan to fail. Budget at least six months, i.e. rental, makan, transport, a bit of entertainment, utilities, etc. Do it when you are young not like me when I had family with two children! Less commitment, easier to make decisions and financially less burden too.
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May I ask, which year was this?
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