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post Apr 25 2013, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 24 2013, 11:01 PM)
what do pharmacists do in inpatient pharm.?
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supply medications for the ward..cytotoxic preparation.. TPN.. etc...

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post Apr 25 2013, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(AP.L @ Apr 25 2013, 12:31 AM)
hmmm so basically there's no way that pharmacist can meet different cases everyday ?
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why not? every patient is a different case what rclxub.gif
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post Apr 26 2013, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(Farmer_C @ Apr 25 2013, 03:19 PM)
Common diseases department laugh.gif

Pharmacists work in the wards that other healthcare professionals work in too e.g. cardiac ward, oncology ward, infectious diseases ward, psychiatric ward etc. They read patient files/pathology results, do ward rounds, check drug charts, make sure drugs are prescribed/administered correctly and make appropriate recommendations to doctors if there is a problem. This is an ideal example of course and I'm sure most hospitals in Malaysia aren't up to this level yet.
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not sure about other states but the general hospitals in KL and Selangor are at this level already..other hospitals are catching up as well..
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post May 13 2013, 09:24 AM

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http://monash.edu/news/show/world-class-ranking-success-1

Monash's pharmacy degree is ranked 7th in the world
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post May 15 2013, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(VanillaScoop @ May 15 2013, 09:18 AM)
Will an individual with a degree in Pharmacy and MBA advance further with their career or an individual with degree and masters in Pharmacy in a Pharmaceutical industry? I do know their job scope differ slightly but I'm curious that which would be more sort out in the market currently.
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2 different masters there. MBA probably gives you a better chance at climbing up the corporate ladder, not sure if there's a master in pharmaceutical industry though.

QUOTE(Farmer_C @ May 15 2013, 05:18 PM)
No I've never worked in Malaysian hospitals before so I don't normally have the best information when it comes to pharmacy in Malaysia. I hope this 'specialisation' has been implemented in the GH of the city I live in. I plan to come home to Malaysia once I'm done with my PhD. Hoping to 'specialise' into a cardiology pharmacist one day.
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it's best if you could finish your internship in Australia unless you don't mind doing it back in Malaysia.
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post May 23 2013, 03:49 PM

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Good read.

So what does a pharmacist do? This was a question that I probably should have had straight in my head before I entered Uni, but all that I had really seen them doing was standing behind the counter in a shop, getting stock and labelling it up, which I am sure a lot of people still think that is what pharmacy is: a supply business no different to any other shop. However, what a pharmacist does is extremely varied, as I will hopefully illustrate.

Depending on who is reading this, you may already have an idea of what pharmacists do. If you are a doctor for example, you may think that we are the annoying people who thrust drug charts into your face, wildly blathering about renal function (How well someone’s kidneys are working) and why a dose of a medication needs to be changed. Or trying to explain why we cannot give a patient two medications because they could interact in a dangerous way with each other. The amount of times that I have heard ‘What did I do now?’ come out of a doctors mouth! (All in good fun of course)

So here is a bit of an explanation of what a hospital pharmacist may do. Firstly, the most well-known job of a pharmacist is supply of medications. Like what occurs when you drop a script from the doctor into a community pharmacy (a shop), a pharmacist at the hospital is responsible for making sure that a medication prescribed for the patient is safe for the patient and delivered in a timely fashion.

To be able to do this, a pharmacist must be able to review a patient’s medication chart and check for interactions between the medications. If you have ever tried to buy a medication from a pharmacy, then hopefully the question “do you currently take any medications?” was asked by the pharmacist before they prescribed you any medication. In addition to these ‘drug-drug interactions’, there are also drug-patient interactions, where the medication may not be appropriate for someone with certain conditions. For example, someone with kidney problems (again with the kidneys!) may not be able to use anti-inflammatory medications which can further damage the kidneys.

Next, we need to check the dose. To be able to do this properly, quite often the pharmacist will need to view blood test results to help determine this. However, as the senior clinical pharmacist at Frankston continually reminds us, another important part is that we see the patient. A fit 20 year old man will handle medication very differently to a 90 year old lady!

The pharmacist should also be asking other questions such as is this the best medication to treat this condition? Is this cost effective? (Ask any nurse- they all know the pharmacy department is notorious for trying to save money by using generic medication- the cheaper the better!) All this adds up to a quick chart review by the pharmacist once we are satisfied that the medication is in fact safe (remember the motto ‘First, do no harm’), the pharmacy technicians deliver the medications to the patient’s bedside. Without the techs, the department would fall apart! Your pharmacists, and the patients, are all extremely grateful!

Pharmacists also complete medication reconciliation whereby they determine what a patient was taking before coming to hospital, and if it should be continued whilst in hospital. Usually, the pharmacist will interview the patient to determine how they took their medications, or question the person who gives medications at home. We then double check this against a list from a community pharmacy, local doctor or the patient’s own drugs.

On discharge, a pharmacist is presented with a script in order to provide the patient with any medications they need at home, which is a very similar process to what your local GP/community pharmacy do. This requires the age old pharmacist skills of reading a doctors handwriting

There are other things in a hospital that a pharmacist does. At Frankston, we are in a quite unique situation where we have PETS (Pharmacist Initiated E-Transcription Service) pharmacists, who go around the hospital and at the request of the doctor (Or more often the pharmacist!) write the script for the doctor, who if they are happy can sign off on the script after checking it for themselves. The ward pharmacist then checks this script after the doctor has. This incorporates the ‘Swiss cheese model’ of medication safety, whereby the more checks we have, the less chance there is of the patient coming to harm and something being missed. As I was taught early at Frankston, trust no-one!! In the end, to err is human which incidentally was the title of a patient safety report by the US Institute of Medicine some years ago.

Pharmacists also help to write protocols on how medications should be used within the hospital, to ensure that medications are used at the right dose in the right patient for the right reason Pharmacists are also involved in medication safety, which probably seems obvious given what I have said above. However, there is a medication safety pharmacist who is continually working on ways to make the health system safer for patients, for example how IV bags are labelled, how drugs are stored or how the pumps that nurses use are programmed.

Pharmacists also partake in education programs such as ELVIS (a program designed to help educate doctors about how to prevent blood clots in patients), drug usage evaluations (such as how antibiotics are used in hospitals) and many other activities which I have no room for!

If you have made it this far, think of this the next time you are wondering why the pharmacist is taking so long to stick a label on the bottle. Remember, we are paid to know lethal combinations of drugs!!

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post May 24 2013, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(kym_93 @ May 24 2013, 11:17 AM)
Hi, I have a question to ask.
(sound quite silly question, but I have no answer about it)

I search from http://www.pharmacy.gov.my/v2/en/content/l...acy-course.html

there is the List of Authorized Local Universities Offering Pharmacy Course.. but there are ** beside the University  which stated there " recognised by pharmacy board

If I study those universities which are not recognised by pharmacy board, what is my future? can I be a registered pharmacist in malaysia too? I found curious about this.

my english is not very well. Hope that you guys know what I want to say.

much appreciate:)
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no you can't. just study in recognised universities. there are so many out there for you to choose from.
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post May 25 2013, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(kym_93 @ May 25 2013, 10:02 AM)
thanks smile.gif

that's mean even though the  cert is recognised by MQA. but it is not recognised by pharmacy board, it is useless too??
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yes.
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post May 28 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(sean6219 @ May 26 2013, 03:48 AM)
I wanna ask something, I know it sounds silly but I feel like pursuing Master of Pharmacy in Japan. So far I found a few universities in Japan who offer this but I do not know about the requirement or whether or not the cert is accepted in Malaysia hmmmm.... Can anyone guide? Dont feel like opening a thread because this is pharmacy related.
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that really depends what you plan to do after you obtained that certificate.
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post May 30 2013, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(sean6219 @ May 29 2013, 06:20 PM)
I am just planning to got there to gain experiences of staying there there but of course it would be better if I can earn a living there cause it is my dream haha. So far I am not sure. Found some English related Master's Program but none of them is about Pharmacy. The closest I can get is Pharmaceutical chemistry.
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well, the first thing you should worry about is how proficient is your japanese. English programs are basically useless in Japan if you plan to stay there since everything from top to bottom will be in japanese.

QUOTE(assymessy @ May 29 2013, 10:54 PM)
Same I plan to study Pharmacy/Pharmacology in Japan and maybe even live there. However, I am still having my SPM. But yes I would want to study Pharmacology/Pharmacy there and start a new life
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better start practicing your japanese to be as good as your SPM english/bahasa malaysia then. it's a really really long and arduous process to be a pharmacist in Japan. 6 years of studies, and very tough public exams and not to mention huge competition with the rest of the locals. pharmacy =/= pharmacology.
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QUOTE(Farmer_C @ May 30 2013, 09:33 PM)
Very interesting. The cardiology AQ interests me. This is an American examination/qualification though so I'm just wondering if this qualification is highly recognised/coveted in Malaysia or is it a qualification for a subset of pharmacists to pat each other's backs and nothing more? Not being sarcastic or rhetorical - would like some answers  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Kain_Sicilian @ May 30 2013, 09:49 PM)
It is not recognized here. We are fighting for recognition as we speak right now. It is recognized in US (obviously tongue.gif), Suadi, Singapore, Aussie, etc. Passing the paper is not easy. You can have a go at the free test questions to see how you fair. I would say that individuals whom passed the exams have a certain level of knowledge that is required by a Pharmacotherapy Specialist. However, other qualities in terms of practical experience, the capability to handle doctors and patients, etc is up to the individual's practice.
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i think the correct term here should 'recognised from the point of renumerations'. from what i've seen on the board of pharmacy and the MPS website, these qualifications are recognised and pharmacists are encouraged to sit for the exams. however, passing the exams doesn't mean you get a better pay.

of course sarcastically you could say it's just for pharmacists to pat each other backs, but ultimately its the patients who will be on the receiving end of the benefits with improved knowledge in pharmacotherapy. if you are taking the papers for the sake of better income, then unfortunately, it is not the way to go.
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QUOTE(Ginnyy @ Jun 5 2013, 10:23 PM)
Hello Everyone there smile.gif
I'm doing my SPM this year and would like to know about the pathways to do my pharmacy in US.I know i have to take pre-U after SPM in order to take up the course in uni,but perhaps i could go to US straight after SPM?Wondering did anybody here go to US to do pharmacy after SPM?Or something like Pre-Pharmacy there?
I'm really confused as there is not much information regarding studying pharmacy in US.

Sorry for my poor English >< Hoping that you guys could help me...
Thank you in advance! smile.gif
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well in a nut shell to enter a pharmacy school in USA is via a graduate pathway. you have to first complete all the pre-requisite subjects (about 2 years, can be done through ADP if you are not aiming for Ivy league unis) required for pharmacy school, before getting accepted into a pharmacy degree (another 4-5 years).
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QUOTE(Ginnyy @ Jun 6 2013, 02:21 PM)
Hmm... May I ask which uni here has better ADP for pharmacy? I've searched ADP in Sunway University,it is said that Credit transfer options are available to US universities, such as Oregon State University, Purdue University, University of Michigan, and also Canadian universities, such as University of Alberta.Since places are limited, it is rather difficult to get into these top universities. Preference is given to in-state students. Well as for Taylor,I couldn't find pharmacy for ADP ><

Sorry for my stupid questions >< I really need help :'(
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There is no specific ADP for pharmacy. you just have to complete the necessary subjects, eg biology, chemistry, calculus etc. and then with your results only you apply with the respective universities (not sure are there any other requirements or not). yeah top USA universities are really hard to enter, especially pharmacy schools. not sure why do you want to go USA in the first place as there are slightly easier options available but all the best to you.
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QUOTE(Ginnyy @ Jun 6 2013, 05:35 PM)
Thank you ^^ Is it a better choice for me to just go to foundation or Alevel or SAM in KL and go to Aussie or UK after that? And if I choose foundation,is MUFY a good choice? I heard many of them said that Alevel is quite tough. If you dont mind,could you please tell me which one is the easier and more suitable option? ><
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if you really want to prepare yourself for the pharmacy course then it's best if you do A-levels/SAM. Are you parents able to finance you to UK/Aussie in the first place? MUFY is an easy option to get into Monash but you will have to work hard during your degree to catch up.
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From July 2013 onwards, pharmacists from outside of will no longer be required in Australia. To those who plan to work at Australia now will have to change their minds.

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-ski...pation-list.htm
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QUOTE(NickJacobLee @ Jun 9 2013, 03:34 PM)
Does anyone know when pharmacists will be able to obtain dispensing rights in Malaysia? Spoke to one of my seniors recently and he told me the government is trying to imply it anytime soon? Any confirmation to this info?
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nope.
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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 12 2013, 07:20 PM)
IS it true that you have to wear formal wear to class every single day?
lol.
I'm in a terrible dilemma to choose between Taylors MPharm or IMU's Mpharm.
After trying hard to reach some people via mutual friends, the Taylor's students apparently think their lecturers to be good.

I'd prefer Cardiff over Strathclyde, but IMU is more established.

I'm only afraid that Taylor's program might shut down half way and I waste alot of money and time. Can that even happen?
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yes it compulsory to wear formal to class every day in IMU. and no, Taylors would probably not that happen.

QUOTE(pianogirl @ Jun 13 2013, 01:19 AM)
I remembered that I submitted my application on 31st of March. How about your friend? I was told that Nottingham accepted 90 students for 2013 intake. I was shocked at first when I knew that I was not shortlisted because my friend who got the same results as me got in for MPharm 2012 in Nottingham. Never expect that their entry requirement is that high. I thought they will look at the best 3 subjects in A level : (
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well, places in IMU and Nottingham are quite competitive since only these 2 offer twinning programs to the UK (apart from Taylors who's still relatively new)
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QUOTE(zenix @ Jun 13 2013, 08:50 AM)
just checking with all the pharmacist here;

i always see now people selling those alkaline water machines, does drinking alkaline really helps to improve our health?
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well, there's no really solid evidence claiming that its effective. if you have read their brochures, the manufacturers do not claim any marked improvements over health as well ( well, at least from the one that i've read).

despite all the hu-ha about our the pH in our body have to be more basic, our natural pH is still neutral (7.4). which is only slightly, SLIGHTLY alkaline in nature. anything more than that you would get blood alkalosis and that's when your body system's may go hay wire as many important enzymes in our body would require a neutral pH to function optimally.

the only true benefit that i can see from this product is it really helps in washing our fruit and vegetables to remove and neutralise all the organic acids.

feel free to disagree. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zenix @ Jun 13 2013, 10:09 AM)
that's what i thought too after reading some myth busting websites.

one was very sarcastic even said, "sellers of these alkaline water machines will hawk all sorts of benefits of their water including curing cancer, blindness, etc....they haven't said it would cure world hunger yet, but maybe they keeping it for 2014" laugh.gif
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haha. well if you have some understanding about the physiology of our body then many of these just doesn't make sense. laugh.gif

QUOTE(henghuang @ Jun 13 2013, 10:22 AM)
Can anyone explain to me why are some institution offering homeopathy course? There's even a persatuan for it? http://www.pphm.org.my/

I thought homeopathy is a crack pot idea, and totally no scientific evidence.

http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/new_w...raditional.html

Usually those who are not qualified to enter mbbs will choose to enter traditional medicine without knowing what it is...
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when people are desperate they believe everything :/

QUOTE(voyage23 @ Jun 13 2013, 10:27 AM)
Yes it is true you have to wear formal (but don't have to wear ties la if you don't like). It may sound bothersome at first but after 4 years I am glad that we were asked to wear formal, we looked very professional that way and smart. However on days where you don't have classes, you can wear smart casual as per new dress code ruling. Every first Friday of the month they will have a theme for dress code too, it's call "dress down Friday". For example, house T-shirt.

I am not sure about Mpharm but I don't think Taylor's program will shut down. Like I said I'm not from IMU/Taylors IMU, so I cannot tell you. But I can say that in the recently concluded Pharmacy quiz, IMU did better than Taylor's.
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assuming we are talking about the same quiz, how can Taylors be better than IMU when they don't even have 4th year students. it's not a good criteria to judge which uni is better with this kind of competition. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 13 2013, 11:46 AM)
What on earth?!

I applied in I think late May? My friend applied around the same time too.

We have probably the same A levels forecast results (either 4A's or 3A 1B. College wont reveal)
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i think your main issue is that you applied with your forecast results and not the actual results.

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