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ahsham
post Jan 17 2013, 12:36 AM

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My morning ritual is either pour-over (V60) or AeroPress.

I usually buy my coffee beans (mostly single origin) from Departure Lounge / Artisan Roast / Coffee Famille / Coffee Ritual / EspressoLAB. Artisan Roast has the freshest coffee beans as they roast twice a week.

I'm a heavy coffee drinker (3~5 cups a day), recently I've been trying to grind the coffee and put them in empty tea bags (got them from Daiso). When I'm in the office i can just add hot water to it, much better than instant coffee smile.gif
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post Jan 17 2013, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Jan 17 2013, 12:21 PM)
I've been so busy that I don't drink as much coffee and I find my beans getting stale because I can't finish them.

How long does it take for you guys to finish your coffee beans? I wonder how long they can be kept for the usual brands.

I might actually have to grind my beans the night before (please don't crucify me coffee lords lol) because I need to leave home early in the morning.
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I usually finish my coffee beans within 2 weeks from the roast date (not the same as expiry date).

Standard coffee package is 250gm, it's hard to finish if you only drink 1 cup a day.
That's why I like to buy beans from cafes that offer small batch package, such as Departure Lounge (100gm) and Coffee Famille (150gm).

If the original "one-way-valve" package is not opened, coffee beans can be kept fresh up to 1~1.5 months.
But once the package is opened, the coffee beans will become stale within 10~14 days due to oxidation and aroma dissipation.
Putting them in vacuum container will help extend their freshness.

I don't buy coffee beans from supermarket as most of them don't state the "Roast Date" on the package.
The "Expiry Date" or "Best Use Before" date tells you nothing about its freshness.

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post Jan 17 2013, 08:49 PM

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Coffee freshness Rule of 15:

Green (un-roasted) coffee beans should be used in 15 months.
Roasted coffee beans should be used in 15 days.
Ground coffee should be used in 15 minutes.
Extracted/brewed coffee should be served in 15 seconds.
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post Jan 18 2013, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Jan 17 2013, 11:49 PM)
Good info! Thanks smile.gif

How much are the 100gm and 150gm packages?
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It's more expensive than those sell on supermarket/Tesco...
but I think it's worth it in terms of quality and freshness.

Departure Lounge (5 Senses from Australia):
100gm - RM20
250gm - RM48
500gm - RM92.50

Coffee Famille:
150gm - from RM25 to RM32
Price is different based on regions and farms. Eg: Panama Lerida Estate (RM28); Ethiopian Yirgacheffe (RM30); Guatemala Antigua (RM32)... etc.

I'm sipping my coffee now as I typed smile.gif



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post Jan 18 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Jan 18 2013, 08:43 AM)
i am also sipping single origin, Nicaragua Javanica while i type too. Lol, btw, normally what is the roasting date of the 5 senses bean they carried?
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haha, i've just finished my 3rd cup of coffee... (from espressoLAB eCurve)

After 5 Senses roasted the coffee, they will FedEx to Departure lounge.
So it depends on how fast FedEx delivers...

I switch my coffee beans very often, but so far the freshest coffee I've bought from Departure Lounge is 4 days after the roasting date.
You can call them up to check,
or just drop by their cafes, they usually write the roast date on their grinder hopper.


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post Jan 18 2013, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Jan 18 2013, 03:37 PM)
Perhaps it's not profitable enough for them to roast more often.
How many people do you know personally who buys whole beans?
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True~ almost all my friends drink 3-in-1 instant coffee.
The demand for fresh whole beans in Malaysia is still very low.
But it's been increasing rapidly for the past year, 'cuz two years ago you can't even find any cafe selling fresh roasted beans.

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post Jan 19 2013, 02:02 PM

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I think coffee is an acquired taste.

If you drink instant coffee / stale / bad coffee everyday and never tasted freshly ground and brewed coffee before, then you will probably think all coffee taste the same as instant coffee / stale / bad coffee.

However, the best coffee in the world is the coffee you love, not the best coffee beans.

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post Jan 20 2013, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 20 2013, 12:00 PM)
Same type/source of beans can be fermented and roasted to different aroma, flavours, finish, etc. The technique/method of coffee roaster determine the coffee aroma, flavour, finish, etc hardly the origin (for the same bean variety).
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I went to a coffee workshop at RAW cafe few months ago,
the owner Michael Wilson showed us how he can adjust the acidity, sweetness, and bitterness of his coffee beans by changing the roasting temperature and timing (of reaching 1st and 2nd crack).
It's true that roasting can determine the final taste of the coffee.

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(image from Lighthouse website)

But the origin of the bean (same variety) still contributes quite a bit on the flavor.
According to "Coffeeology"'s author, this is because different soil and climate condition will affect the concentration of acids, proteins, and lipids present in the coffee beans.
Those difference in coffee chemistry will in turn affect the final taste and flavor of the coffee.
For example, both Sumatra Mandheling coffee in Lake Toba region and Aceh's Lake Tawar region will taste slightly different due to different soil condition, even though they belong to the same coffee varietal.

QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Jan 18 2013, 02:55 PM)
U win... i am only on my second cup.  laugh.gif
Will pay them a visit soon. Coffee Ritual in the otherhand doesnt indicate the roasting date on their bean.
Hence ask, he told me that it'a bout 2 weeks or so...
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Departure Lounge is now serving Ethiopia Yirgacheffe Gelena Abaya (5 Senses), roast date: 14th Jan.
I'm gonna go re-stock my coffee later today smile.gif

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post Jan 20 2013, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(kvct @ Jan 20 2013, 04:40 PM)
awesome stuff!! thanks for sharing ahsham! thumbup.gif
btw, do u know that there is chart call wheel of coffee taste or something that help u to differentiate the taste.
i think they might be using this as guide for coffee cupping but i find it kinda useful to differentiate the coffee taste. rolleyes.gif
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yeah, i know about that coffee flavor wheel,
but i have absolutely no idea how cineolic / camphoric / piney taste like tongue.gif

Leong from espressoLAB told me he's going to create a different coffee flavor wheel that's more useful for Asian people,
using tropical food such as longan, rambutan, mango... etc to describe coffee taste...


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post Jan 21 2013, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Jan 21 2013, 12:52 PM)
Trouble with making your own coffee is that nothing tastes as good afterwards, especially when you also roast your own!  If you want good coffee, you need good machines, at least one like the Rancilio Silvia and a good grinder, minimum Rancilio Rocky which will allow some degree of adjustment.
Of course, no point having good machines if you can't get the green beans to start off with!  Does anyone know if green beans, whether local or overseas are available in KL?
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You'll need special import permit license (AP) from FAMA for importing and selling green beans in Malaysia.
That's why it's very hard to find green beans here, people usually get them directly from cafe owners who roast their own beans.

If you are in Penang, can try ask Terry from Coffee Lane 咖啡坊 at King Street.
Last time he used to sell small amount of green beans in his cafe.
Contact: Terry Beh (owner)
04-261 0625
beh.terry@gmail.com

Another person you can try is Joshua, one of the partners of EspressoLAB.
He's the one who brings in all the coffee machines and accessories for EspressoLab.
He's now selling roasting machine for home use at his new online shop: https://www.facebook.com/asiacoffee.asia/app_135607783795
Contact: Joshua Liew
03-80614480
owner@asiacoffee.asia
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post Jan 22 2013, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Jan 21 2013, 07:48 PM)
Interesting, thanks!
I wonder what quantity of beans can you bring in with your luggage without a permit? Pity the green beans are so much heavier!
So you can buy roasting machines but not green beans?  I've been using a heat gun to roast for years!  Much cheaper option ;-)
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Another option is Liberica beans from local farms (such as Johor Rengit and Chamek area),
if you are ok with liberica's unique flavor (many people don't like it).

Support Malaysian product! rclxms.gif
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post Jan 22 2013, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Jan 22 2013, 08:24 AM)
I was being told by Joo Faa (Malaysia roaster) at Tg Sepat that most of the kopitiam nowadays are trying to use 2-3 time of the coffee powder. Meaning first brewed might from good local kopitiam, and they sell off the brewed coffee powder to 2nd local kopitiam to sun dried and brewed it for 2nd time. This doesnt end here. They might even sell it to the 3rd local kopitiam with a fraction of price and the last kopitiam may brewed if for the 3rd times! Well, thats how business goes. Of course it doesnt apply to all kopitiam lah..
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I once ordered a Kopi-O-Kosong from a very old kopitiam, totally regret it...
'cuz the kopi has no aroma or other flavors at all, taste like a glass of diluted bitter dark water.
now i know the reason... sweat.gif
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post Jan 22 2013, 11:31 AM

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Cafe Crawl at Publika this Sunday~ i heard it's free...
(cafes: The Bee, Plan b Roasters, Coffee Stain, Coffee Societe, Red Bean Bag, Magenta)

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More info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=522935504403488


Plan b Roasters and Coffee Stain also sell freshly roasted beans,
sometimes i will buy from them if I'm around that area (and if the roast date is recent).
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post Jan 24 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 23 2013, 12:12 PM)
Blending is a common practice in wine and coffee trade. If a coffee roaster blends different roast (of the same variety) to claim different origins, few if any can tell.
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One way to avoid this kind of cheating (fake origins using different roast levels) is to buy beans from reputable roasters / cafes.

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post Jan 24 2013, 11:12 PM

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I just bought some beans from Coffee Famille tongue.gif

Roast date: 2 days ago.

Freshly roasted beans need some time to "rest" or degas, otherwise the massive out-gassing of carbon dioxide will prevent proper extraction of the coffee.
Different beans required different rest period, normally about 24~72 hours to reach its peak (flavor and aroma).

For espresso, the rest period will be longer. Un-rested beans often produce very weak espresso and extremely bubbly crema that dissipates quickly.

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post Jan 26 2013, 02:23 PM

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I notice some of you are using AeroPress, what's your preferred recipe?

I've been trying many different recipes (see below links),
my preferred mothod is a slight modification of Stumptown version, I let it blooms for 20 sec before I stir.


AeroPress Recipes:

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post Feb 7 2013, 12:46 AM

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For those who want to buy green beans for home roasting, can contact Leong from EspressoLAB, they are now offering a wide selection of green beans for sale:
hxleong@gmail.com
leong@espressolab.asia

original post:
http://coffeeloversmalaysia.com/index.php?...msg4564#msg4564



QUOTE(desastar @ Jan 21 2013, 07:48 PM)
Interesting, thanks!
I wonder what quantity of beans can you bring in with your luggage without a permit? Pity the green beans are so much heavier!
So you can buy roasting machines but not green beans?  I've been using a heat gun to roast for years!  Much cheaper option ;-)
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post Feb 21 2013, 11:48 PM

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If I'm not mistaken, MBC is on March 23 and 24.
this weekend is just a media launch...

QUOTE(elgato @ Feb 21 2013, 09:02 AM)
anybody going to MBC this weekend?
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post Mar 19 2013, 10:36 PM

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Same~

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 17 2013, 10:57 PM)
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Any difference between French press and tea press?
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post Mar 25 2013, 02:29 PM

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AFAIK, French press was invented first, then many years later some people found that it can be used to strain tea leaves.

NOTE: you are not supposed to "press" tea leaves, otherwise all the bitter and unflavored stuff will be squeezed out from the leaves.

In terms of mechanism and structure both are the same, but the material used and build quality can be very different (thus the price difference).

For example, there are cheap glass material, like those used in Daiso glassware, which is very easy to break and cannot use in direct heating.
Then there are expensive glass, such as those produced by Bodum and Hario, there are more durable and can sustain high heat.


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 19 2013, 11:47 PM)
Then why some people pay more for French press than tea press?  rclxub.gif
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