aiyahhh.. i tot you tried'ed liao one?!.. well, you're not the only one with 1kg beans here.. we have issues trying to finish this 1kg lavazza guessed we're going to be hated for quite a while for this lavazza..
the antipodean's formula is like +20gram, double shot extraction.. strong body.. we noticed some cafe have a lower gram or single shot for the latte, hence less body..


bro, different people, different palate.. is there a way to nuture your palate to suit something brighter? how about you ratio'ed something like 90:10 your regular roasted beans with this brighter roasted beans and grind? later can increase the ratio to 80:20, etc? (blend within blend)

any roasted beans >RM40 is considered expensive to us liao.. not that we can't afford it, it is.. why(pay so much)? is it worth the price for the premium bean there? what's your take, bro?

i guess you "reacted" without thinking at all.. if you could've think for a while there, your reaction would've been very different.. you can have just a latte/cappuccino without breaking a sweat..

anchua you bo want to wait for next batch leh?! by the way, you should like it compare to plan-b beans ba?


we're trying this milk... don't know the frothing will stay ornot.. or will it collapse/sink it like all UHT does?
price.. RM6.45/unit of 1 liter

we first spotted this milk at the grocer @atria.. but it was on regular price..
right now aeon big is doing a promo till 27-aug.. we got our at ss15 aeon big.. this is the UHT variant of farmhouse oo, bro.. you sure it will froth as well as the regular cock-priced freshmilk or not?

wahh.. 3-aug.. good good..
so it seems that antipodean is not roasting all their beans regularly liao, seems like adopting those FIFO restocking strategy.. do let us all know how different is this aceh jakengon as compared to your earlier mandailing estate, ya?! ... eager to know

yes, if you plan to sell and you're the benefactor from the sale proceed, don't do it here, there's selling thread/forum in this site..

farmhouse is godmilk..

remember the farmhouse UHT freshmilk we purchased earlier? ... it froths and stays..

at the 5th minute after frothing and pouring..


at the 15th minute..


thus, we wented back and gotted another 6 packs..

or you may go the "chinese" way..
kd-130


kd-135b


both of these are thermoblocks, just like the silvano or the crossland.. only thing is, way cheaper than the 2

if it's taken straight out from the chiller.. it taste quite similar to the freshmilk variant..
haven't tried it at frothed temperature (58C - 65C).. the texturing is so much better than other UHT for sure..

by the way, most of the stock at our local aeon big has already depleted by then..

so far, i haven't seen anyone in this thread who purchased these 2 models mentioned..


yeah, you're right bro..

if you take a close look at the 2 models i illustrated earlier, you may notice the embossed/printed acronym, wpm.. that's a clue(it's chinese) as opposed to the australians'

bro, don't stressed yourself out over a piece of hardware, ya..
the espresso machines have come a long way since it's early inception..

for whichever machine you eventually choose/decide is still a learning experience..
so unless you have specific reason(s) as to why you have preference over this machine as opposed to that.. any reasonably good home machine is a good start..

so if you like/prefer the italians over the chinese, do go ahead.. i supposed all do have their pro and cons.. superiority of makes/brands at such early onset may cloud your learning/experience about coffee.. (thinking that the best equipments will automatically makes a good cuppa... but at what cost?)

simonelli oscar cost less than rm1k?! .. can you be more specific?(condition/availability/etc)
it's quite odd of you to start your posting here in this thread by looking at those rm4k fully auto machine to now a less than rm1k setup.. you look pretty undecided and confused..

much of those espresso machines you can get here locally in "retail stores" in m'sia.. they have this high-price, low-value proposition to begin with.. morphy richards and delonghi available in retail stores are within this category in general..

there're better substitutes/alternatives for even the exact matching price you pay locally for one you can source at taobao(chinese made)..

nonetheless.. a "morphy richards/delonghi" class of espresso machine is WAY different in built and performance as compared to say, a simonelli oscar. it's in fact an unfair comparison to begin with..

what influence your deciding factor(s) here?... for some people, it's price, peer pressure, mass media, knowledge/interest.. and for some odd ones; sheer stupidity..

for all fairness, we believe it is also depend on what type of coffee you drink eventually..

if you fancy espresso; the entire learning skillset(grind, tamp, temperature, visual cues, palate, etc), machine mastery(grinder, espresso machine and to some extend, modifications) and beans' selection will be much higher to get it right..
if you fancy milk-based espresso; there will be a little more buffer for error and mistakes as compared to espresso alone.. however, milk-based espresso has this milk frothing process that can be quite tricky to master in the beginning (let alone to pour a nice/decent latte art)

there're plenty of youtube vids that shares with you lots about setups/skills/etc..
Seattle Coffee Gear is one and it's in english
Gabee Cafe is another small cache, if you fancy chinese(taiwanese's perspective)

CoffeeGeek is a good repository for coffee related materials and they're australian based

... these are not conclusive info, am sure others will chip in to help you..

"usually" when people says that price is not a factor, it's isn't exactly true.. it's just the pride responding.. and excuses start pouring..

navigating taobao for an espresso machine can be quite daunting.. but if you would like to consider some basic machines, here are some you can think about..


this is gustino.
advantage - has a manual steam control knob, push button simplicity and large water tank/drip tray
disadvantage - pressurized portafilter, plastic paranello wand(decent, albeit weaker steam pressure) and it will sneeze(no 3-way solenoid)



this is also a gustino.
advantage - has more metal parts as compared to the earlier gustino, comes with a naked portafilter, (the rest, same as above)
disadvantage - does not have a manual steam control knob (the rest, same as above)



this is a petrus.
advantage - proper single-hole tip steam wand with better steam pressure as compared to the above 2, comes with a naked filter too
disadvantage - same as the above



this is a gemilai.
advantage - much better built than the gustino/petrus, ball-jointed proper steam wand, non-pressurized portafilter
disadvantage - pricier than the earlier ones..



this is a wpm.
advantage - similarly built to the gemilai, 58mm heavier brass unpressurized portafilter, ball-jointed steam wand with good steaming capability as compared to the petrus/gustino
disadvantage - it still sneezes..

these are the cheaper to a sub rmb 1k machines you may consider.. they're definitely far better than those locally available delonghi/murphy richards lu..

yes, if you haven't had a grinder to go with your espresso machine.. do seriously consider one carefully, as some grinder can cost as much as your espresso machine's price..

yes, what about them? .. are you just going to name names or you do research about them?

you got poor reading skills or you're just finding fiddles in arguments?
if you spend time to read this thread carefully, you'd noticed the problem is actually you.. yourself.

we're most likely going to be there... caffa 2015
and don't forget.. fhm 2015 is at the end of the month @klcc..

got these on monday...

the massimo blend was priced at bht100 ... whereas the house blend was at bht200
not taking any single origins..

currently trying the house blend, grind with a wpm moded grinder, dozed onto a triple basket and extracted via a wpm machine too..
very rich crema and much much better than antipodean's old dark variant.. as milk-based

definitely gonna get more from there again.. bht100 - bht200 ... this is half of what doi chaang charges

yes in bangkok (as quoting price in thai baht).. pacamara is situated in a mall (rainhill mall) closer to phrom phong bts station, exit the station and walk along the main road.. the shop is located 1 floor above ground.. you may buy in their pre-packed 250g or in larger quantity (500g, 1kg, etc)..


by the way, not many coffee cafe that uses these stuff in bangkok; a slayer machine, agtron(for roasting) and a refractometer(for brewing)..

for other roasted beans, of course there're other choices even along the sukhumvit road.. but we're focusing on local blend (as opposed to mostly foreign beans).. if you want to try doi chaang without heading to changmai/rai.. head towards ekkamai bts station and enter into the gateway mall, they're situated at the ground level.. so far the bestest doi chaang served latte (we've tried 3 different doi chaang cafe locations and we found the one at gateway mall the bestest)

coffee beans at doi chaang is a hit-or-miss thingy.. cos they're roasted date is way too far from current.. july/august 2015!!! (we really wanted to try a bag, but we choose to drink it there instead)

so, how was your espresso machine surveying been going? for your budget of sub rm1.9k, it will be a very frustrating find in m'sia.. if you're not doing any high volume production, you may venture into a china make, such as a wpm.. in fact you can get a very decent thermoblock espresso machine plus a good burr grinder(require a minor shim-mod) with that rm1.9k

this is our current setup..


This post has been edited by Tikietic: Oct 11 2015, 02:37 PM