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bukanmain
post Aug 2 2010, 09:14 AM

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moe81 great advice..i will grab JBL later on..

i have big dory like credit card size,clown,damsel,goby..everything i add in small fish they will sure die..but when i monitor they play along very well..although when it die i see got bite mark..

my dory very garang ka? headache man..when monitor play so good..
menggin
post Aug 3 2010, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 2 2010, 12:24 AM)
hmm, i've read about live sand. Is it the type of sand similar to live rock where the sand is cured(cycled) and kept in water? this sand also helps in cycling the tank right? it sorta expedites the process.
well, i enquired in two big marine lfs that i know of(oceanic and east aqua), they both have crushed coral only. no other sand. it's a bummer.
You know of any lfs that carries live sand? or any other suitable sand? Please advice.  i'll just cure it myself and bring it to live.  biggrin.gif
i'm not rushing it. so, i got all the time in the world. i'm gonna make sure everything is per planned before i move on to next step.

Noted. damsel and clown type!

hmm, i dun use eheim substrate. i only use JBL Micro Mec. got that in East aqua Ikano for 45 bucks a box. works for me. Eheim is over-rated, i think.
here's a pic:
user posted image

Pods. got it. i'll try googling it to get a clearer picture.

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ohh haha
go get any packet of sand as long as its crushed like the sand along the beach but dont go to sea and pick haha because those are polluted one.
crush coral u can only put 25% of them max and 75% of sand. but as recommended dont put any of the crush coral. few pieces maybe can.
Crushed coral leads high nitrate level because wastage will stick all along to the pores of crushed corals and its hard to be cleaned and then decomposition held there between each another of the crush coral and leads to nitrate output.
hmm JBL Micro Mec. acts as micro mechanical rite?
good ah?
eh bro, can look for me any cheap cheap price punya EHEIM substrate pro and EHEIM pro mech?
recently the cheapest i found is Rm94 for 1 liter substrat and 56 for 1 liter pro mech.
can you sms me if u found any of them? ^^
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thank you eh.


Added on August 3, 2010, 1:51 pm
QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 3 2010, 01:49 PM)
ohh haha
go get any packet of sand as long as its crushed like the sand along the beach but dont go to sea and pick haha because those are polluted one.
crush coral u can only put 25% of them max and 75% of sand. but as recommended dont put any of the crush coral. few pieces maybe can.
Crushed coral leads high nitrate level because wastage will stick all along to the pores of crushed corals and its hard to be cleaned and then decomposition held there between each another of the crush coral and leads to nitrate output.
hmm JBL Micro Mec. acts as micro mechanical rite?
good ah?
eh bro, can look for me any cheap cheap price punya EHEIM substrate pro and EHEIM pro mech?
recently the cheapest i found is Rm94 for 1 liter substrat and 56 for 1 liter pro mech.
can you sms me if u found any of them? ^^
014-9446308
thank you eh.
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aiya typing error hahaha
i mean the JBL u bought is for mechanical filtration is it? =D

This post has been edited by menggin: Aug 3 2010, 01:51 PM
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post Aug 3 2010, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 3 2010, 01:49 PM)
ohh haha
go get any packet of sand as long as its crushed like the sand along the beach but dont go to sea and pick haha because those are polluted one.
crush coral u can only put 25% of them max and 75% of sand. but as recommended dont put any of the crush coral. few pieces maybe can.
Crushed coral leads high nitrate level because wastage will stick all along to the pores of crushed corals and its hard to be cleaned and then decomposition held there between each another of the crush coral and leads to nitrate output.
hmm JBL Micro Mec. acts as micro mechanical rite?
good ah?
eh bro, can look for me any cheap cheap price punya EHEIM substrate pro and EHEIM pro mech?
recently the cheapest i found is Rm94 for 1 liter substrat and 56 for 1 liter pro mech.
can you sms me if u found any of them? ^^
014-9446308
thank you eh.


Added on August 3, 2010, 1:51 pm

aiya typing error hahaha
i mean the JBL u bought is for mechanical filtration is it? =D
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errr, i believe the jbl micromec is for biological. here's what jbl had to say about it..

http://www.jbl.de/news.php?lang=en&id=17


my points: it's made outta sintered glass and it's designed in such a way that some part of the ball allows air flow(for nitrification bacterias) and some parts of the ball restricts airflow(for denitrification bacteria). so, in short it's a complete bio filter if u can cater the amount to handle the bioload. but that wud require quite an amount if u have a large tank la.. ohmy.gif

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anglee82
post Aug 4 2010, 11:43 PM

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help need some advice..my fishes keeps dying..
was trying to start a small saltwater aqua.

bought a small aqua size..100gallon

a external water filter...water suck out then go thought a black carbon like..and a white hollow barrel like...then a spon.filter...and back into the aqua.

a flooting like meter..measure ssalt level and temp

a bag of salt and sand

a twin buld lighting..comes with the aqua

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cycl water for 4 days
checked salt lvl



1 case..6 fishes(3 clown+3damsel)
1st day -1 clown died
6th day-2clown and 2 damsel
7th day..my last damselzzz

2nd case
change new water..wash filter....cycl new water for 3-4days
bought 1 african clown...died at day 3..

3rd case..went shop again..talk to the shopkeeper
he recommand a bact.supplyment..
bought 3 clown fish..small size..20sen size
add bact.supplyment 5 drops
all 3 clown died within 7hours...zzz


did i miss something?? feel like giving up saltwater fish now


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post Aug 4 2010, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(anglee82 @ Aug 4 2010, 11:43 PM)
help need some advice..my fishes keeps dying..
was trying to start a small saltwater aqua.

bought a small aqua size..100gallon

a external water filter...water suck out then go thought a black carbon like..and a white hollow barrel like...then a spon.filter...and back into the aqua.

a flooting like meter..measure ssalt level and temp

a bag of salt and sand

a twin buld lighting..comes with the aqua

______________________________________
cycl water for 4 days
checked salt lvl
1 case..6 fishes(3 clown+3damsel)
1st day -1 clown died
6th day-2clown and 2 damsel
7th day..my last damselzzz

2nd case
change new water..wash filter....cycl new water for 3-4days
bought 1 african clown...died at day 3..

3rd case..went shop again..talk to the shopkeeper
he recommand a bact.supplyment..
bought 3 clown fish..small size..20sen size
add bact.supplyment 5 drops
all 3 clown died within 7hours...zzz
did i miss something?? feel like giving up saltwater fish now
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that mean ur water got prob .....
clean off ur tank ......
re set again the water let it cycle for 2weeks .....
n tryin to put 2 nemo in for testing water 1st ....
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:51 PM

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i feed my fish twice a day..
light on during at nite..
water looks cystal clear.
aqua dun hv any plant


Added on August 4, 2010, 11:53 pmneed cycle for 2 weeks?
that shop person said 3days can oredi..dam him

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post Aug 4 2010, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(anglee82 @ Aug 4 2010, 11:51 PM)
i feed my fish twice a day..
light on during at nite..
water looks cystal clear.
aqua dun hv any plant


Added on August 4, 2010, 11:53 pmneed cycle for 2 weeks?
that shop person said 3days can oredi..dam him
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dun feed too much ....
coz they csnt full 1 ....
if u feed too much ur water too much acid ....
den ur fish also cant tahan for it ....

3 day not enuf ....
now aday they wiill ask u for 2 dy 3 day ....
but actualy u need at least 1 week for it ....
actually u know wat is the water cycle for ???
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(anglee82 @ Aug 4 2010, 11:43 PM)
help need some advice..my fishes keeps dying..
was trying to start a small saltwater aqua.

bought a small aqua size..100gallon

a external water filter...water suck out then go thought a black carbon like..and a white hollow barrel like...then a spon.filter...and back into the aqua.

a flooting like meter..measure ssalt level and temp

a bag of salt and sand

a twin buld lighting..comes with the aqua

______________________________________
cycl water for 4 days
checked salt lvl
1 case..6 fishes(3 clown+3damsel)
1st day -1 clown died
6th day-2clown and 2 damsel
7th day..my last damselzzz

2nd case
change new water..wash filter....cycl new water for 3-4days
bought 1 african clown...died at day 3..

3rd case..went shop again..talk to the shopkeeper
he recommand a bact.supplyment..
bought 3 clown fish..small size..20sen size
add bact.supplyment 5 drops
all 3 clown died within 7hours...zzz
did i miss something?? feel like giving up saltwater fish now
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i am sorry to hear that.
you are lack of experience + knowledge as i saw the time and routine u put LS. i am sure ur new in this hobby. do have some research and readings also understanding of marine life before start ur tank.
if want to give up then i think better go for fresh water. less complicated and less cost.
as an advice better let the fish go back to papa and mama
dont misunderstood.
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 4 2010, 11:57 PM)
i am sorry to hear that.
you are lack of experience + knowledge as i saw the time and routine u put LS. i am sure ur new in this hobby. do have some research and readings also understanding of marine life before start ur tank.
if want to give up then i think better go for fresh water. less complicated and less cost.
as an advice better let the fish go back to papa and mama
dont misunderstood.
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haha....yea yea .....coz salt water fish b4 u go for it ...do research .....
coz saltwater fish is big different with clear water ......
if anything u juz ask .....we can help u in here .....
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(anglee82 @ Aug 4 2010, 11:51 PM)
i feed my fish twice a day..
light on during at nite..
water looks cystal clear.
aqua dun hv any plant


Added on August 4, 2010, 11:53 pmneed cycle for 2 weeks?
that shop person said 3days can oredi..dam him
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you can curse his family hard for cheating you.
because i was chopped by them before and i boycotted all of the LFS that cheated me. ^^

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post Aug 5 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 5 2010, 12:00 AM)
you can curse his family hard for cheating you.
because i was chopped by them before and i boycotted all of the LFS that cheated me. ^^
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now aday all shop will tell 2 or 3 day enuf ....
den ask u buy all the fish put in ur tank ....
mean the fish shop ppl wan untung u ...n dun care bout the fish dead or alive ...
n they juz wan $$$$......wen ur tank fish gone den u sure go back buy again .....
tat the reason y .....
menggin
post Aug 5 2010, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(cavien @ Aug 5 2010, 12:06 AM)
now aday all shop will tell 2 or 3 day enuf ....
den ask u buy all the fish put in ur tank ....
mean the fish shop ppl wan untung u ...n dun care bout the fish dead or alive ...
n they juz wan $$$$......wen ur tank fish gone den u sure go back buy again .....
tat the reason y .....
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yea agreed.
nvm la they are greedy beggars.
treat as donation lo.
i will never treat LFS anymore ^^ but not all haha.
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 5 2010, 12:08 AM)
yea agreed.
nvm la they are greedy beggars.
treat as donation lo.
i will never treat LFS anymore ^^ but not all haha.
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donation to other better den donate the money to the shop n use my own hand to kill
the fish ....donate to cacat ppl still can buy food to eat ....but donate to shop ...
use my own money to kill live fish ...dam .....wat the hell the shop seller .....
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(cavien @ Aug 5 2010, 12:11 AM)
donation to other better den donate the money to the shop n use my own hand to kill
the fish ....donate to cacat ppl still can buy food to eat ....but donate to shop ...
use my own money to kill live fish ...dam .....wat the hell the shop seller .....
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haha nvm. newbies are killing them in an innocent way included us ^^
those cheater will get their payback one.
maybe be one of the clownfish in our's grandchildren tank? haha

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post Aug 5 2010, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 5 2010, 12:14 AM)
haha nvm. newbies are killing them in an innocent way included us ^^
those cheater will get their payback one.
maybe be one of the clownfish in our's grandchildren tank? haha
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hahaha....yea......
agreed ....ahhahaha......
newbie can ask u la ....
think u dy expert in saltwater ya .....
i also wan ask can ar ???ahahhahaha
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(cavien @ Aug 5 2010, 12:16 AM)
hahaha....yea......
agreed ....ahhahaha......
newbie can ask u la ....
think u dy expert in saltwater ya .....
i also wan ask can ar ???ahahhahaha
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not expert la. knowledge has no limit lea >.<
wat can i do for u haha.
need treat me drink tea one ^^
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 5 2010, 12:18 AM)
not expert la. knowledge has no limit lea >.<
wat can i do for u haha.
need treat me drink tea one ^^
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hahah....
for this moment no la ....
hehee......we can come out have a drink talk talk for the knowledge .....
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(cavien @ Aug 5 2010, 12:24 AM)
hahah....
for this moment no la ....
hehee......we can come out have a drink talk talk for the knowledge .....
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how talk? hehe
got text book? kakaka.
eh wheres that anglee82?
seems like ran away liao >.<
so serious on my jokes haha
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(menggin @ Aug 5 2010, 12:25 AM)
how talk? hehe
got text book? kakaka.
eh wheres that anglee82?
seems like ran away liao >.<
so serious on my jokes haha
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no book oh ....i no buy those book .....hahahahaha
so cant talk with book ...hahahaha
yea .....run away jo ...haahhaha.....

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post Aug 5 2010, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(cavien @ Aug 5 2010, 12:27 AM)
no book oh ....i no buy those book .....hahahahaha
so cant talk with book ...hahahaha
yea .....run away jo ...haahhaha.....
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hehe. later come back be our sifu brows.gif
u from where ah? ^^
my name as wat i registered lo.
mind intro? ^^ brows.gif

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