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V12Kompressor
post Sep 25 2012, 11:42 AM

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anyone know how to go up to KL bound MEX Highway from Bukit Jalil?

Not the one before plaza tol awan besar. That one is heading towards to KLIA/Putrajaya.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Sep 25 2012, 11:42 AM)
anyone know how to go up to KL bound MEX Highway from Bukit Jalil?

Not the one before plaza tol awan besar. That one is heading towards to KLIA/Putrajaya.
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hmm.gif If from EA Autoworks, then have to pass the tol Awan Besar Barat towards Sri Petaling and turn extreme left.
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post Sep 25 2012, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Sep 25 2012, 11:42 AM)
anyone know how to go up to KL bound MEX Highway from Bukit Jalil?

Not the one before plaza tol awan besar. That one is heading towards to KLIA/Putrajaya.
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u will masuk kesas after passed by sungai besi ,then there is 1st exit to the stadium1 i tink,dun take the 1st one,take the 2nd one where there is 2 exit on ur left,1 of it is can go to happy garden one...


Added on September 25, 2012, 12:45 pm
QUOTE(mat79 @ Sep 25 2012, 08:59 AM)
just to share some thoughts, it is understandable adding fsb or rsb will translate into less chasis flexing which can help in handling. But i think its still need some tolerable flex to accomodate b road condition compare to racetrack. Torsion beam axles@twist beam@also known as semi independant setup. As the name suggest, it did twist. Imho, adding too thick stab bar, rsb did alter the flex n cause it become too stiff. I think the original bending n torsion rigidity on saga already stiff to its engine limits n beyond it actually. Unless u plug in 200hp engine in it, the standard still can hold it.
If want better traction, get better tyre, if want less body roll, switch to sport spring originally design for blm or flx which is rare, or change to better strut, maybe adjustable. I think changing rear stab bar or rsb is the last resort.

When original satria neo came out, r3 add fsb n rsb becoz the original mitsu chasis has too much flex which needed to stiffen. While satria neo r3 mk1 based on satria neo no need to add coz it already stiff enough to do the job,unless change to high power engine. By adding fsb n rsb,it will add more weight n put more stress on suspension setup. By the way, if u look at satria neo r3 mk1, they used 17 inch rim, while for satria neo r3 mk2, using 16 inch rim. This is due satria neo r3 mk2 is based on satria neo cps which having changes to its setup where the front track is narrower while rear track is wider compare to original setup.

Every setup has its limit in accepting rims n tyres size. Same as flx n flx se. Eventhough the spring n strut is the same, but there are some tweaking to flx se being done to accomodate 15 inch rim n tyre size. Because using negative chamber setup, using diff rims n tyre profile than original may cause uneven wear coz its never tested on the setup. Remember, the chamber is fixed, so, cannot adjust it to accomodate the diff rim sizs n tyre profile. When being said negative, it means total chamber. Yup,it is perfect to have the same chamber left n right, but there is some manufacturing tolerance when mass produce it unless it is too much, then it is faulty.

And just some advice, product for the mass generally for general used, not track day used. Not denying torsion beam axle chamber can change due to massive force(over limit), but if being set to a sport car like megane, then it suits it purpose. But independant setup is another way around where easier to adjust, but if broken, it cost a bomb.

If want to adjust on torsion beam, need to use machine press n it takes hours to change its chamber slightly coz if press to hard, can ruin the beam.

Just sharing some thought only. Not arguing :-).
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rsb and arb is different bro,=) and saying about megane,yea,megane is using torsion beam,but it's handling is superb coz of the thicker bushing on top that allows the torsion beam to play more role when cornering,if u were saying arb then yes,coz arb is "locking" the torsion beam,well,just my 2 cents,this issue is very sensitive,therefore i never wanted to share it via online...

This post has been edited by Mahihi: Sep 25 2012, 12:49 PM
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post Sep 25 2012, 12:53 PM

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90% agreed with mat79. However, the RSB thing was kinda out of sense in my opinion. Torsion beam was linked between the lower part of the chassis, whereas RSB was meant for cabin(upper part of chassis). RSB does not directly affect the flexibility of torsion beam, infact it strengthen the chassis. I also found the RSB had produced MORE modyroll than before as the car wasn't able to bent. As a result, the absorber will have to work harder(travel more distance) to balance the car, torsion beam at the same time will have to work harder to keep the outter wheels on the floor whilst attacking corners.

All in all, RSB will have to sacrifies part of the comfortability, but it doesn't seemed to have too much bad effect to the torsion beam. Regardless, whacking corner like a moron day in day out will spoil your car, that is no doubt, be it with or without RSB. This is my opinion on RSB vs Torsion beam.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 25 2012, 12:53 PM)
90% agreed with mat79. However, the RSB thing was kinda out of sense in my opinion. Torsion beam was linked between the lower part of the chassis, whereas RSB was meant for cabin(upper part of chassis). RSB does not directly affect the flexibility of torsion beam, infact it strengthen the chassis. I also found the RSB had produced MORE modyroll than before as the car wasn't able to bent. As a result, the absorber will have to work harder(travel more distance) to balance the car, torsion beam at the same time will have to work harder to keep the outter wheels on the floor whilst attacking corners.

All in all, RSB will have to sacrifies part of the comfortability, but it doesn't seemed to have too much bad effect to the torsion beam. Regardless, whacking corner like a moron day in day out will spoil your car, that is no doubt, be it with or without RSB. This is my opinion on RSB vs Torsion beam.
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bro,is ur savvy or saga that has cracked torsion beam??
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Sep 25 2012, 12:55 PM)
bro,is ur savvy or saga that has cracked torsion beam??
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Saga. not cracked, he bent his wheel hub mounting
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 25 2012, 01:01 PM)
Saga. not cracked, he bent his wheel hub mounting
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so the oni solution is change torsion beam rite???when is the mcd tt???i tink i can help u mr david,i have changed mine before too, rclxms.gif rclxms.gif tongue.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Sep 25 2012, 01:02 PM)
so the oni solution is change torsion beam rite???when is the mcd tt???i tink i can help u mr david,i have changed mine before too, rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  tongue.gif
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Tayarman hammered it back according to him.

What happened to yours?
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 25 2012, 01:05 PM)
Tayarman hammered it back according to him.

What happened to yours?
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mine????right chamber -32mm tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:20 PM

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Both! Gabby out by 9.4mm, GaGa out by 3.2mm. Both fixed by adding cushion on the brakehub platform, but wasn't able to fix it back to 100% original.

To reply dares, knock/jack is not recommended. The welding seems is at the outter part of the torsion rack end, if compressed already jack it out, the welding spot may crack due to tensile weakness. However, if met accident slammed into road curb, one can use hydraulic jack to compress the tapak hub back to normal.
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:22 PM

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guys, anyone is using protection film ?

sry if already posted earlier
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Sep 25 2012, 01:22 PM)
guys, anyone is using protection film ?

sry if already posted earlier
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planned to .. but i fear that after years when i peel it off .. the color will be different with rest of the paint .
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:53 PM

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kk, will try tomorrow. worst come to worst go Holland and learn new road only.
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Sep 25 2012, 02:53 PM)
kk, will try tomorrow. worst come to worst go Holland and learn new road only.
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don't worry. i think the signboard is easy to identify one. never try neever knew, right? tak kenal maka tak cinta.

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post Sep 25 2012, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Sep 25 2012, 01:22 PM)
guys, anyone is using protection film ?

sry if already posted earlier
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planned to buy this. the seller offer 10% when you purchased more(last time) . So maybe can bulk XD

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post Sep 25 2012, 02:11 PM

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auto cruise
4 door power windows
height adjustable suspension

all on a 1988 car

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/1988-mitsub...#photo-5306534/

and a very weird indicator stalk too.
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Sep 25 2012, 02:11 PM)
auto cruise
4 door power windows
height adjustable suspension

all on a 1988 car

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/1988-mitsub...#photo-5306534/

and a very weird indicator stalk too.
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very nice car. with battery meter!!
making our car 20+ years later seems extremely noob.

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:16 PM)
very nice car. with battery meter!!
making our car 20+ years later seems extremely noob.
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F**K THE CAR INDUSTRY


SEMUA MACAM SAMPAH
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:24 PM

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V12, 2morrow what time u go?Bcoz I always use MEX highway to cyberjaya de.....Toll Rm2.50~ Haha....
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:29 PM

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i go KL. I not going putrajaya, cyberjaya, whateverjaya

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