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 Working in Singapore V12, Yusheng - 23rd Feb (Saturday)

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post Nov 27 2012, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(trowapeter @ Nov 27 2012, 08:13 PM)
Just wanted to ask something.

As I was job hunting in SG,I frequently goes back to MY by using SBS 170 opposite of Kranji.What does the ride suspended and ride resumed mean when I tap my ezlink on those bus mean?
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it means as it is. you must scan the card whenever you embark or alight from a bus or MRT. it simply records that you have signed out so that you wont be penalised S$2 when you sign in again. for Bus 170 is a bit unique since you're only charged once and yet you got to embark and alight from the bus multiple times assuming you take the same bus all the way from kranji to Larkin.
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post Nov 27 2012, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Dendroid_King @ Nov 27 2012, 09:20 PM)
My contract nvr states that my working hours will vary according to the needs of the company.

However the contract states that my shift from 8.00 am to 6.00 pm is extendable when required to do so. I take it that it means overtime. In practice I always go back sharp at 6 pm and they nvr ask me to OT.

If Mackiddo is right about MOM > any contracts, I should have a strong case.

Most company as I know will write a standard 8 hours a day from mon to fri. And at most additional half day on Saturday. However if they want to make u work longer than what's is suppose to be, they will just control the working performance and bonus.

I have never heard of any accounts working hours as per contract is 9 hours a day from Mon to Sat. Maybe I am being conned. Sigh....
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in fact, there're some companies practising 5.5 work-day or full-day on alternate saturdays. it's quite common especially in the commercial line.
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post Nov 27 2012, 09:50 PM

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Do sarawakian are not allow to enter Singapore for work?
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post Nov 27 2012, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Dendroid_King @ Nov 27 2012, 09:20 PM)
My contract nvr states that my working hours will vary according to the needs of the company.

However the contract states that my shift from 8.00 am to 6.00 pm is extendable when required to do so. I take it that it means overtime. In practice I always go back sharp at 6 pm and they nvr ask me to OT.

If Mackiddo is right about MOM > any contracts, I should have a strong case.

Most company as I know will write a standard 8 hours a day from mon to fri. And at most additional half day on Saturday. However if they want to make u work longer than what's is suppose to be, they will just control the working performance and bonus.

I have never heard of any accounts working hours as per contract is 9 hours a day from Mon to Sat. Maybe I am being conned. Sigh....
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I think this clause (bolded) pretty much covers that.
Usually all employment contract are written that way so to give leeway for companies to extend the working hours of their employees on a as and when basis.
I'm not excatly sure about the exact details of the SG labour law on this but I was told that SG has laws that are more favourable to empoyers than empoyees when it comes to things like working hours as compared to Malaysia. That is why you see many people working late. Further, it's actually not uncommon for accounts to work those hours. My accounting division works similar hours (but not on weekends).

Anyway you mentioned you already wanted to leave the company.
So why wanna kick up a storm?
Bringing this up the management could possibly backfire on you especially if your industry is small and your reputation gets out as a trouble-maker.
Best way is to just find another job and leave amicably.
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post Nov 27 2012, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Dendroid_King @ Nov 27 2012, 06:47 PM)
So I take it that it's illegal for my boss to make me work for more than 44 hours in a week for accts job? I would be happy if u are sure about it.

Because there are exceptions to the employment act which is very hard to inteprete.

Thanks for your help. Anyway my company may not sustain for long. Next time I won't sign such an employment contract.

If I had pr status it would be easy for me to find job. But as S Pass its much more difficult for me to find job. That's why I am still hesitating.

Thanks for your advise.
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Who is covered by the Employment Act

Part IV of the Act, which provides for rest days, hours of work and other conditions of service, applies only to:

Workmen earning not more than $4,500 basic monthly salaries and
Employees earning not more than $2,000 basic monthly salaries.

Pls read carefully if you are covered. then only follow this link.


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Dendroid_King
post Nov 27 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 27 2012, 09:51 PM)
I think this clause (bolded) pretty much covers that.
Usually all employment contract are written that way so to give leeway for companies to extend the working hours of their employees on a as and when basis.
I'm not excatly sure about the exact details of the SG labour law on this but I was told that SG has laws that are more favourable to empoyers than empoyees when it comes to things like working hours as compared to Malaysia. That is why you see many people working late. Further, it's actually not uncommon for accounts to work those hours. My accounting division works similar hours (but not on weekends).

Anyway you mentioned you already wanted to leave the company.
So why wanna kick up a storm?
Bringing this up the management could possibly backfire on you especially if your industry is small and your reputation gets out as a trouble-maker.
Best way is to just find another job and leave amicably.
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Actually it's not that I want to leave haha. It's more like my company cannot sustain and eventually will bankrupt.

I have to think carefully right now because for me as a foreigner to find job, it won't be easy. If I am in Malaysia, I would not hesitate to quit.

Maybe I have to check with MOM. Anyway I would be surprised if really Malaysia would side the employees more than Singapore as they are more advanced.



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post Nov 27 2012, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Dendroid_King @ Nov 27 2012, 10:20 PM)
Actually it's not that I want to leave haha. It's more like my company cannot sustain and eventually will bankrupt.

I have to think carefully right now because for me as a foreigner to find job, it won't be easy. If I am in Malaysia, I would not hesitate to quit.

Maybe I have to check with MOM. Anyway I would be surprised if really Malaysia would side the employees more than Singapore as they are more advanced.
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And how does bringing this issue up to your company's management attention, in any way helping your case?
Like you say they will eventually go bankrupt.
Best option is to actively search for a new job now and leave amicably.
Coz i don't see how telling your company's management that they have been exploiting you (even if it's true) is going to help you anyways.


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post Nov 27 2012, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 27 2012, 09:27 PM)
Ya. Similarly no one gives a f*%k about your opinions so why don't you f%$k off.
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comparing your pathetic working life with others who seek an answer for something which is clearly stated otherwise, is moronic, which suits your character judging from all your past postings.


Added on November 27, 2012, 10:44 pm
QUOTE(Tiffaning @ Nov 27 2012, 09:50 PM)
Do sarawakian are not allow to enter Singapore for work?
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not entirely true but it's getting harder for East Malaysian to get a work pass. Reason is due to some social unrest coz by a few from East Malaysia.

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post Nov 27 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(LYR @ Nov 27 2012, 09:24 PM)
it means as it is. you must scan the card whenever you embark or alight from a bus or MRT. it simply records that you have signed out so that you wont be penalised S$2 when you sign in again. for Bus 170 is a bit unique since you're only charged once and yet you got to embark and alight from the bus multiple times assuming you take the same bus all the way from kranji to Larkin.
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I forgot to mention that I only took the bus up to M.Y custom.Will the money still be deducted as $2? If so,is there any other cheaper way to cross Causeway from SG custom?
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post Nov 27 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(trowapeter @ Nov 27 2012, 10:44 PM)
I forgot to mention that I only took the bus up to M.Y custom.Will the money still be deducted as $2? If so,is there any other cheaper way to cross Causeway from SG custom?
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I think stop at MY custom is cheaper that stop at Larkin/Kota Raya. Not much, probably by 20cents only. a cheaper way would take those 'bas kilang' ferry factory workers to JB. the current rate is s$1 to MY custom. smile.gif
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QUOTE(trowapeter @ Nov 27 2012, 10:44 PM)
I forgot to mention that I only took the bus up to M.Y custom.Will the money still be deducted as $2? If so,is there any other cheaper way to cross Causeway from SG custom?
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no. you wont be penalised. as you have tapped out. that's what ride suspended for. no cheaper way. alternatively is to take Causeway link bus, the yellow colour one. you will be charged in RM, RM3 which is more or less than same.
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post Nov 27 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 27 2012, 10:36 PM)
comparing your pathetic working life with others who seek an answer for something which is clearly stated otherwise, is moronic, which suits your character judging from all your past postings.

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Last I recalled I did not ask for your opinion on my working hours.
Keep your comments to yourself.
If you have nothing constructive to offer then i suggest you shut the f&^k up.
Nobody need your smartass opinion here.
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post Nov 27 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 27 2012, 10:35 PM)
And how does bringing this issue up to your company's management attention, in any way helping your case?
Like you say they will eventually go bankrupt.
Best option is to actively search for a new job now and leave amicably.
Coz i don't see how telling your company's management that they have been exploiting you (even if it's true) is going to help you anyways.
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Whether I inteprete the rules correctly or not, I was hoping that I can scare my boss with MOM regulations.

The moment they fail to pay my salary on time, I am thinking of using this weakness to bargain for my Saturday work. It's becoming political.

Anyway yes I have to get a new job. But I was hoping that I can escape Saturday jobs at least for a while haha.

And I am really tired of getting calls from suppliers for long overdue payments.




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post Nov 27 2012, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 27 2012, 10:52 PM)
Last I recalled I did not ask for your opinion on my working hours.
Keep your comments to yourself.
If you have nothing constructive to offer then i suggest you shut the f&^k up.
Nobody need your smartass opinion here.
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iirc you compared your pathetic working life when someone is trying to find an answer for max working hours issue instead of guiding him, even to say its normal. Well, as I said, judging from your previous posting, we all already know who's the non-constructive moron.
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 27 2012, 10:59 PM)
iirc you compared your pathetic working life when someone is trying to find an answer for max working hours issue instead of guiding him, even to say its normal. Well, as I said, judging from your previous posting, we all already know who's the non-constructive moron.
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Again I don't remember asking you for your opinion on my working hours.
If you have nothing constructive to say SHUT THE F*&k UP!
Nobody needs YOUR opinion on MY WORKING HOURS!
certainly NOT ME!

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 27 2012, 11:05 PM)
Again I don't remember asking you for your opinion on my working hours.
If you have nothing constructive to say SHUT THE F*&k UP!
Nobody needs YOUR opinion on MY WORKING HOURS!
certainly NOT ME!
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you are the one who bring up your pathetic working hour in the 1st place. I didn't see anyone even asking. haha. loser.
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post Nov 27 2012, 11:23 PM

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calm down folks...
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post Nov 27 2012, 11:25 PM

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Hi all, have some question regarding tax for EP holder... I just changed to new company in Oct. So IRAS has taxed me for my income from previous employer, so will I get taxed as non-resident rate (<183 days in SG) for my Nov and Dec income?

Thanks.
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post Nov 27 2012, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 27 2012, 11:23 PM)
let's see. a loser with a pathetic working hours, nothing constructive to offer, troll a user who is seeking a clarification on MOM regulations on working hours. Instead he is trying to look pathetic and buying public sympathy perhaps. no surprises here since people already know what a moron he is by his previous posting. did I miss anything ? oh, I fully understand.
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Let's recap.
1) Dendroid_King said he works long hours and think it's not fair.
2) I replied it's the norm as i work about 54 hours a week as well.
3) All of a sudden, from nowhere Mackiddo came and and said told me to F*&k off about my pathetic working hours

I don't know about you but its clear to all who is the troll here and who's the idiot here.
And here, this idiot keeps harping about previous posting. Well, i guess nobody wants to know coz nobody's interested.
Mr. Troll, if you decide to continue trolling i suggest you go to /k/.
That place would suit you just fine!
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post Nov 27 2012, 11:33 PM

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Mackiddo and Mercury,

The both of you offer very constructive advise. Thanks to both of you.

Please don't quarrel because of me. I am sure this is just a misunderstanding. Sometimes in life it doesn't matter who is right. When I am angry, I would also say things that hurt others which made the quarrel worse.

Anyway I just read more carefully and the max hours from the employment act does not apply to me as my salary is above 2k.

It's time for me to move on and to get a new job as soon as possible.

Thanks to both of you. And please try to forget the conflicts.



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