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 Working in Singapore V12, Yusheng - 23rd Feb (Saturday)

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post Feb 23 2013, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Feb 23 2013, 08:38 PM)
Not really.

Whether you're underpaid or not depends on the options available to you.

If there is someone else who is willing to pay you more than 1.7K, then you're underpaid. If you have no other offers and nobody else is interested in you, then you're not underpaid. You are ONLY paid... 1.7K.

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i decided to enroll myself in japanese language course and take jlpt (internationally recognized paper).

will it help me in the future in singapore?
In a word,.. no.

Assuming you currently have no proficiency in Japanese, the time and effort you need to expend in order to learn Japanese to a professionally acceptable level is way too high, compared to the return or advantage that you will gain from being able to speak Japanese in Singapore.

If you want to learn a language, I suggest to concentrate only on English and/or Mandarin.

If you are good in English, learn or improve your Mandarin.

If you are good in Mandarin, improve your English.

If you're half past six in both English and Mandarin (like 90% of the Malaysians here), then improve your English first before improving your Mandarin.

If you are very very good in both English and Mandarin... don't waste time and effort learning any more languages at a professional level. Using that time and energy to get a professional qualification or getting a higher degree will yield much better return on investment.
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Agreed with you.
Most Malaysians speak half past six English.
Our education system really fails, who on earth wanna master the useless Malay and at the end of the day couldn't even speak a proper sentence in English to greet someone.
What a shame.
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post Feb 23 2013, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(xtylish @ Feb 23 2013, 08:44 PM)

that company hired me on the spot, and its my first interview. i can always find more interviews then only decide on which job I will take in the future.

as my mandarin and english is fine enough. while japanese i already have the beginner level, i just want to brush it up and take the exam. and I just got my degree, my convo is next month.

unless you are telling me to go for master degree now. which i cannot afford to do so. maybe after 2 years with working experience then yes for masters.
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Learning something new is always beneficial in one way or another. The JLPT consists of 5 levels, it will probably take you few years to complete N2- which is the basic requirement some companies look to hire.


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post Feb 23 2013, 11:46 PM

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need sifu's help
i saw a job post title below but not sure what is the company ???
the post is from agent...

Customer Support Representative (Swiss MNC / $3500 / Immediate / Woodlands + company transport)

do u know the copmany ???
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post Feb 24 2013, 01:33 AM

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[quote=xtylish,Feb 23 2013, 09:41 PM]
Ermmm... for business writing in a MNC environment... your English needs some work.
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ok.
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i was at a ramen restaurant, full time salary starts from 1.7k.
i think 1.7k is pretty low for sales then, unless there's commission to earn from the sales.
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post Feb 24 2013, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Feb 19 2013, 04:08 PM)
Moderator note: Unsubstantiated information should be taken with doubt.

Guys, listen-up

Dissolution of parliament: 22 Feb
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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Feb 19 2013, 04:21 PM)
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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Feb 23 2013, 10:05 PM)
In a word,.. no.

Assuming you currently have no proficiency in Japanese, the time and effort you need to expend in order to learn Japanese to a professionally acceptable level is way too high, compared to the return or advantage that you will gain from being able to speak Japanese in Singapore.

If you want to learn a language, I suggest to concentrate only on English and/or Mandarin.

If you are good in English, learn or improve your Mandarin.

If you are good in Mandarin, improve your English.

If you're half past six in both English and Mandarin (like 90% of the Malaysians here), then improve your English first before improving your Mandarin.

If you are very very good in both English and Mandarin... don't waste time and effort learning any more languages at a professional level. Using that time and energy to get a professional qualification or getting a higher degree will yield much better return on investment.
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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Feb 23 2013, 10:05 PM)
Agreed with you.
Most Malaysians speak half past six English.
Our education system really fails, who on earth wanna master the useless Malay and at the end of the day couldn't even speak a proper sentence in English to greet someone.
What a shame.
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So we are supposed to believe you? Maybe he/she could join you in predicting the future.

This post has been edited by Mackiddo: Feb 24 2013, 02:53 AM
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post Feb 24 2013, 02:53 AM

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compare you 2012 annual salary... something to do when u file ur 2012 tax

http://www.salary.sg/2012/compare-your-annual-income-latest/
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Feb 24 2013, 02:53 AM)
compare you 2012 annual salary... something to do when u file ur 2012 tax

http://www.salary.sg/2012/compare-your-annual-income-latest/
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Fuuuuu I am sadding liao. Based on my last year filing I'm not even higher than the median sad.gif

Your annual income... is higher than 37.9% of all resident taxpayers.
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post Feb 24 2013, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Feb 24 2013, 10:55 AM)
Fuuuuu I am sadding liao. Based on my last year filing I'm not even higher than the median sad.gif

Your annual income... is higher than 37.9% of all resident taxpayers.
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that's ok
me fearing worst after this month

kena let go...
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Feb 24 2013, 10:55 AM)
Fuuuuu I am sadding liao. Based on my last year filing I'm not even higher than the median sad.gif

Your annual income... is higher than 37.9% of all resident taxpayers.
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they say i am not a tax payer doh.gif i thought the company pays levy already? blink.gif
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post Feb 24 2013, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Feb 24 2013, 10:55 AM)
Fuuuuu I am sadding liao. Based on my last year filing I'm not even higher than the median sad.gif

Your annual income... is higher than 37.9% of all resident taxpayers.
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No worries lah. Singapore has some serious hard hitters when it comes to income. There are lots of global and regional roles here and even the local companies have some fairly high salaries for senior roles. Additionally the govt servants are right up there with everyone else. And there's no hidden segment of uber-rich politically connected people who evade tax in Singapore unlike Malaysia's politicians, their families, the 10 royal families and their forever multiplying kerabats, politically connected business people, senior govt officers etc.

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QUOTE(megadisc @ Feb 24 2013, 12:14 PM)
me fearing worst after this month

kena let go...
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If you don't mind answering, what industry are you in? Or if possible, which company?

I'm beginning to see some belt tightening happening in the chemicals/polymers industry... mainly expenditure control for now, like travel restrictions, taking back company mobile phones etc. That's usually a precursor to retrenchments later on unless something picks up in the economy.

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Economy going downhill huh. ><
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post Feb 24 2013, 05:31 PM

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Need some advice on the fix expenses in singapore before deciding to accept the job offer or otherwise.

Studio apartment rental: Around tampines SGD 2k+-
Food: SGD1k for 2
Broadband: ?
mobile data plan: ?
transportation: SGD200 for 2
Utility Bills: SGD200 - with basics like aircond and washing machine
Other matters: SGD300 - just in case shit happen and need to use the money.
CPF: ? I think for those with EP this is not entitled yet right?
Income TaX: Below the bracket of SGD120k it's just a direct deduction of SGD4.5k from the total payout or is there a much complicated way to calculate this? Seems to be much lower as compared to Malaysia when it comes to income tax.

Any other expenses which I have to be aware of thus far?
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post Feb 24 2013, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Feb 24 2013, 05:31 PM)
Need some advice on the fix expenses in singapore before deciding to accept the job offer or otherwise.?
Studio apartment rental: Around tampines SGD 2k+- No offence but at your salary range (ie. below S$120K), you really should be thinking something around S$1.5-1.8K HDB or condo in a less popular area. You're planning to spend 20%+ of your gross on rental... a more comfortable ratio would be 10-12%, 15% max. Additionally, if you're going to spend $2K+ on accommodation, you might as well buy.
Food: SGD1k for 2 Depends on what you eat lah... My lunches in Orchard are typically $15-20 in 4 out of 5 days. Only do food court <$10 only 1 out of 5 days because my lunch buddies don't like them. To be honest, neither do I. And if you like some dining... eg. Japanese, Italian etc... a nice average meal for 2 is easily $60-100. Hell, even something like Swensens or similar to Kim Gary is easily $20-25 per head. An ice blended and slice of cake at Starbucks is $10. I'd budget $20 per day per head (assuming you will religiously eat at least 1 chap fan a day, otherwise $30 per day and $200 per week for eating nice during weekends, especially if your partner is 'particular'.
Broadband: $20-50 per month for mobile broadband is more than enough. Only need cable bb if you torrent or game.
mobile data plan: <$50 per line per month
transportation: SGD200 for 2 OK if you do 100% MRT and bus. A taxi ride from Orchard to Tampines is around $20 during peak ie. when you go to work and after work
Utility Bills: SGD200 - with basics like aircond and washing machine OK
Other matters: SGD300 - just in case shit happen and need to use the money. Depends on how smelly the shit is
CPF: ? I think for those with EP this is not entitled yet right?Yup
Income TaX: Below the bracket of SGD120k it's just a direct deduction of SGD4.5k from the total payout or is there a much complicated way to calculate this? Seems to be much lower as compared to Malaysia when it comes to income tax.It is much lower. But you do pay 7% GST, so it's good if you're a saver vs spender.

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Any other expenses which I have to be aware of thus far?
You should budget maybe S$50 per week per head for groceries, toiletries and other knickknacks. And also budget some money for taxis... maybe 2 rides per week, when it rains, or your partner is throwing a tantrum about having to stand in the trains, bangla smelly etc.

Lastly... do you like to buy... stuff? Does your partner like to buy stuff? A new phone each year, a new bag, Mac book air etc etc... you should budget something for 'stuff'.
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post Feb 24 2013, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Feb 24 2013, 01:11 PM)
If you don't mind answering, what industry are you in? Or if possible, which company?

I'm beginning to see some belt tightening happening in the chemicals/polymers industry... mainly expenditure control for now, like travel restrictions, taking back company mobile phones etc. That's usually a precursor to retrenchments later on unless something picks up in the economy.
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printing manufacturing industry
so sienz...
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Feb 24 2013, 05:31 PM)
Income TaX: Below the bracket of SGD120k it's just a direct deduction of SGD4.5k from the total payout or is there a much complicated way to calculate this? Seems to be much lower as compared to Malaysia when it comes to income tax.

I'm not sure where you got the 4.5k figure from. Below 120k it's $3,350 for 80k and 11.5% on the next 40k. Calculation method is exactly the same as Malaysia income tax.

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/page04.aspx?id=1190

Do note that there's no auto deduction in SG. You get your full salary amount, do your annual income tax filing and then pay (lump sum also can, installment also can).
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QUOTE(seantang @ Feb 24 2013, 06:39 PM)
Studio apartment rental: Around tampines SGD 2k+- No offence but at your salary range (ie. below S$120K), you really should be thinking something around S$1.5-1.8K HDB or condo in a less popular area. You're planning to spend 20%+ of your gross on rental... a more comfortable ratio would be 10-12%, 15% max. Additionally, if you're going to spend $2K+ on accommodation, you might as well buy.
Food: SGD1k for 2 Depends on what you eat lah... My lunches in Orchard are typically $15-20 in 4 out of 5 days. Only do food court <$10 only 1 out of 5 days because my lunch buddies don't like them. To be honest, neither do I. And if you like some dining... eg. Japanese, Italian etc... a nice average meal for 2 is easily $60-100. Hell, even something like Swensens or similar to Kim Gary is easily $20-25 per head. An ice blended and slice of cake at Starbucks is $10. I'd budget $20 per day per head (assuming you will religiously eat at least 1 chap fan a day, otherwise $30 per day and $200 per week for eating nice during weekends, especially if your partner is 'particular'.
Broadband: $20-50 per month for mobile broadband is more than enough. Only need cable bb if you torrent or game.
mobile data plan: <$50 per line per month
transportation: SGD200 for 2 OK if you do 100% MRT and bus. A taxi ride from Orchard to Tampines is around $20 during peak ie. when you go to work and after work
Utility Bills: SGD200 - with basics like aircond and washing machine OK
Other matters: SGD300 - just in case shit happen and need to use the money. Depends on how smelly the shit is
CPF: ? I think for those with EP this is not entitled yet right?Yup
Income TaX: Below the bracket of SGD120k it's just a direct deduction of SGD4.5k from the total payout or is there a much complicated way to calculate this? Seems to be much lower as compared to Malaysia when it comes to income tax.It is much lower. But you do pay 7% GST, so it's good if you're a saver vs spender.

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Any other expenses which I have to be aware of thus far?
You should budget maybe S$50 per week per head for groceries, toiletries and other knickknacks. And also budget some money for taxis... maybe 2 rides per week, when it rains, or your partner is throwing a tantrum about having to stand in the trains, bangla smelly etc.

Lastly... do you like to buy... stuff? Does your partner like to buy stuff? A new phone each year, a new bag, Mac book air etc etc... you should budget something for 'stuff'.
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Hey bro, thanks for the detailed answer.

As for the accommodation i actually wanted to look for something as low as possible. Checking into prop guru in SG the cheapest i can find is bedok reservoir but as according to my cousins in SG it's not a good place cause dead bodies were found last year? The next wold be Tampines but they aren't going cheap 400sf/550sf single room apartment at about SGD 2k. Pain in the @SS. Buying a place at the moment would be out of the equation, don't think i could afford it.

Food Part yeah maybe during weekend going to spend slightly a little more but other than that most likely will be spending my time in the hawker centers or my other half would most likely start cooking. So hopefully doesn't exceed the budget lol.

Broadband: checked - Singtel?
Mobile Data Plan: checked - Singtel as well?
Transportation: SGD200 will be budgeted for both of us daily/weekend rides. As to commute back and forth to work, the shuttle will be picking me up at my place and sending me home as well as long as I'm living in these few places.
Utility: checked
CPF: gotta live with it and save on my own i guess.
Income Tax: hope it's really @ aroun SGD4.5k haha.

Yes i always change my phone and usually it comes in PAIR. doh.gif but that's all i spent.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Feb 24 2013, 07:22 PM)
I'm not sure where you got the 4.5k figure from. Below 120k it's $3,350 for 80k and 11.5% on the next 40k. Calculation method is exactly the same as Malaysia income tax.

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/page04.aspx?id=1190

Do note that there's no auto deduction in SG. You get your full salary amount, do your annual income tax filing and then pay (lump sum also can, installment also can).
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thanks which means it's about SGD 8k right?

We are paying much more in Malaysia.. It's about double the amount..
http://www.hasil.gov.my/goindex.php?kump=5...it=5000&sequ=11

Now I still have a house and car to finance in Malaysia gonna factor in and do a cost analysis before deciding.

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post Feb 24 2013, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Feb 24 2013, 07:22 PM)
I'm not sure where you got the 4.5k figure from. Below 120k it's $3,350 for 80k and 11.5% on the next 40k. Calculation method is exactly the same as Malaysia income tax.

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/page04.aspx?id=1190

Do note that there's no auto deduction in SG. You get your full salary amount, do your annual income tax filing and then pay (lump sum also can, installment also can).
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Wah, huge jump from 40k to 80k!
at 40k only tax 550sgd, 80k is like 2800sgd
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Feb 24 2013, 08:00 PM)
As for the accommodation i actually wanted to look for something as low as possible. Checking into prop guru in SG the cheapest i can find is bedok reservoir but as according to my cousins in SG it's not a good place cause dead bodies were found last year?
Worse people to ask about accommodation for people like us are people like them. Locals have families, parents who do things for them. Things which we need to do ourselves. They probably have access to a car, live in houses already fully stocked, perhaps have a maid.

When I first needed to find my own place to stay, my Singaporean relatives showed me places in Bukit Timah, Farrer Road, East Coast etc. Places with nothing nearby, little public transport and expensive. No problem if you have a car and looking for some quiet, near trendy areas like Holland Village etc.

As for Bedok Reservoir... you're not renting the reservoir. Why exclude the entire area? Afraid ghosts will come up from the reservoir?

QUOTE(kidmad)
Broadband: checked - Singtel?
Mobile Data Plan: checked - Singtel as well?
All Telco have exactly the same plans at practically the same price. Choose whichever one has the cheapest rates for employees of your company (many larger companies in Singapore have worked out discounts with the Telcos for their employees' personal lines).

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Transportation: SGD200 will be budgeted for both of us daily/weekend rides. As to commute back and forth to work, the shuttle will be picking me up at my place and sending me home as well as long as I'm living in these few places.
Oh, you'd probably need to budget for trips back to Malaysia.

QUOTE(kidmad)
Yes i always change my phone and usually it comes in PAIR.  doh.gif  but that's all i spent.
There'll be iPads, watches, shoes, bags etc etc. There always is.

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