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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V5, Comparison and Advice

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post Nov 22 2012, 09:48 PM

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Budget: RM 400, but let's try to keep it below.
Usage: Movie and maybe gaming.
Device: Android MK808 SmartTV, Asteruk, TV with HDMI input. And consider my self PS3.

Any suggestion? 5:1 or 2:1 will be enough? My living room are just a small one. 12x8 ft maybe?

Update: My living room photo uploaded.
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post Nov 23 2012, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Nov 23 2012, 12:37 AM)
2.1 would be enough...
5.1 will make your room looked messy
say... C3 icon_rolleyes.gif
Ya, I'd been thinking about this speaker too. Sound so sexy... I quite regret take Corsair SP 2500 because I can't allocate another budget for a sound card. Most of SP 2500 user claim the sound were totally improved when paired with a dedicated sound card. With onboard sound card, still it's clear and loud but the bass are quite "weak". I don't know how to explain.

Back to the topic, beside of Edifier C3, any other suggestion? How about cheaper alternative because Edifier C3 are RM 4++ last I check at Miri and Kuching.
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(bulibulizaimon @ Nov 23 2012, 10:11 AM)
take the Edifier E3100 bro smile.gif
do pm me if u wanna sell or trade ur SP2500 tongue.gif
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LoL... You at West and I'm at East, postage will make this speaker overprice. And I never thinking of selling this speaker tongue.gif .

Well, IMO SP 2500 is more to gaming and movies, and good enough for music (but maybe a sound card will help in music). Watching movie and playing Borderland 2 with this speaker totally awesome. My room sound like a mini cinema and my neighbor often complaint that my speaker are too loud. For Max Payne 3, my favorite scene is when they in the club, sound very similar to a real club. Even my friend said that my speaker sound really "ori".

Thinking of using this speaker with my TV, and HTPC set but "gaming speaker" for a HTPC? LoL... That's why I considering Edifier C3.
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Nov 23 2012, 10:27 AM)
C3 will definitely lose to SP2500 lo... and you'll be like "why did I buy C3 in the first place" whistling.gif
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SP 2500 is for my rig and C3 is for my HTPC... Get it? sweat.gif Because If I connect my PC to TV, the media player that I bought is useless. doh.gif And I prefer one speaker for rig, and another one for HTPC...
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post Nov 23 2012, 03:18 PM

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Can someone share thoughts for this speaker?

Budget ~RM200
Edifier E3100 (gaming) -popular
Edifier P3060 (gaming)
Edifier M3400 (gaming) -popular
Altec Lansing v4121 (gaming) -popular

Budget ~RM300
Logitech Z523 (gaming)

Budget ~RM400
Edifier C3 (music, gaming) -popular
Edifier S330 (music, gaming) -popular
Edifier R501 MkII (gaming, movies) -popular

Currently my option is Edifier C3, S330 and R501 MKII but I wonder if those RM 200 speaker can perform good enough for movies with my HTPC? And how long is the cable for R501 MKII? Really interested to try 5:1 setup but I wonder if R501 MKII are using 5 jack or a single jack to sound source. My MK808 media player and TV doesn't have 5:1 or 7:1 jack....
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post Nov 23 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Nov 23 2012, 04:21 PM)
R501 need surround decoder or pc sound card to split 5.1 signal.
it is using 3 stereo jack, cannot accept hdmi audio /spdif
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Owh... Tidak dapat lah guna 5:1 kalau macam ni. 2:1 pun okay. Less cable. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 12:55 AM

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Any HKS iii owner here? Does anyone having problem after long time abusing?
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post Apr 11 2013, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 11 2013, 10:03 AM)
as far as I know test units gone through TONS of abuse

and the worst problems were these

-broken volume control
-satellite speakers came off from it's own housing
and yet all still sounds perfectly I have no idea why
the only problem I see worst than those mentioned above was from Soundsticks II which was dried up satellites with chipped off brittle speaker surrounds
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Owh... Because last time I heard from a friend of a friend, mostly the problem such as broken housing and the housing can turn yellowish after quite a time. I was regret not to buy HKSiii few month back. SP 2500 are suitable for gaming and movie. But nowadays, due to work I often turn on music than gaming. doh.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 11 2013, 10:28 AM)
broken housing?

if it's so then most test units should've cracked already
but then again I don't see a single scratch even when someone dropped one of the satellites on the floor and triggered the security alarm wink.gif
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Really? Damn... I think he just making story as he is owner of SP2500. BTW, have you compare UD100 vs Essence STX? Hopefully can change how my current speaker perform.
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post Apr 11 2013, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 11 2013, 04:30 PM)
sorry I've never experienced soundcards before notworthy.gif  sweat.gif
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I guess it's time to buy and try. moneyflies.gif
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post Jul 3 2013, 10:38 PM

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Guys... Anyone here used DAC instead of sound card with their speaker? Mind to share? Hunting DAC for my SP2500.
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post Jul 3 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jul 3 2013, 11:10 PM)
me using T-Muso PCM2704 from slevin sent

never disappoint me before~
still something very worth using

paired with my Sony SS-D201 + NAD302 setup (sometimes with my Edifier S530D)

good stuff with decent volumes.
great for my MS1i too.

very enjoyable sound (as people call it colored to perfection?)

so yea it's colored but that doesn't mean it's bad
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Yup, tried that one before. Surprisingly good for the price. But didn't satisfy me. Now with UD100, still didn't satisfy me. Hehe... It's the best to own both.
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post Jul 4 2013, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 08:32 AM)
jz my personal opinion, i think ud100 should be enuff for ur corsair speaker. if u really wanna upgrade try upgrade tat speaker first instead of DAC...
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I did audit SP 2500 at local shop last time with Onkyo sound card and she sound better than mine. Thus I think UD100 is not enough. Maybe get a DAC first. If not satisfy, just sell and use headphone. Hehe... Or get something else. I thought M50W are better than my SP 2500 but I'm wrong. Somehow SP 2500 sound better at my ear. And I really dislike control at the back of the speaker. That's the reason I didn't grab Harman Kardon Soundstick 3 before. But when come to think of it, I should have grab that HKS3. doh.gif Same price with Corsair SP 2500 that time and it's new unit. Where to find that deal now. doh.gif Well, I'm still new to audio and I gaming a lot that time so I prioritize my gaming. But now, I listening to music most of the time.
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post Jul 4 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 10:00 AM)
Actually, ya using a better DAC will make ur speaker sound better. But the improvement of DAC is less if compared to speaker if the same amount of money is spend ^^ But its up to personal opinion and taste XD

Anyway, its not jz DAC tat will improve ur sound. U also need to setup ur music player to kernel streaming, position ur speaker accordingly and most important speaker isolation  thumbup.gif  U can go to my blog and listen to the track b4 and after i setup speaker isolation for my edifier C3 http://casualnfunentertainment.blogspot.co...-isolation.html
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Yup... I been test few position and I think my current position is the best position. Well, I'd been thinking about the DAC vs speaker things too and that's the reason I try to avoid less than RM 500 DAC for my speaker. But the more I google, the more I poisoned. Haha... Will try the sound isolation later. Thank you very much for the link. notworthy.gif

Or unless if there's a speaker that sound nice even with a cheap sound card, I don't mind spending RM1k for it. So, is there any book shelf speaker that have good bass performance? And that speaker will be used for gaming too. I don't really mind 2.1 speaker too. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 10:00 AM)
Actually, ya using a better DAC will make ur speaker sound better. But the improvement of DAC is less if compared to speaker if the same amount of money is spend ^^ But its up to personal opinion and taste XD

Anyway, its not jz DAC tat will improve ur sound. U also need to setup ur music player to kernel streaming, position ur speaker accordingly and most important speaker isolation  thumbup.gif  U can go to my blog and listen to the track b4 and after i setup speaker isolation for my edifier C3 http://casualnfunentertainment.blogspot.co...-isolation.html
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Hey, the isolation really work. Really improve the sound. Hehe... But how come no photo of the speaker. Mind to share some photo here so I can get the idea.

Regarding Kernel Steaming:
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This component was originally written for Windows 2000 and Windows XP. It is not guaranteed to cooperate with newer versions of Windows.

Kernel Streaming is known to work on certain Windows Vista and Windows 7 configurations, but not with devices having WaveRT drivers such as High Definition Audio Devices integrated with newer motherboards - such devices simply won't be shown on foobar2000's output device list as available KS devices.

If you run Windows Vista, you should be using WASAPI instead in most cases.


So, is this the reason I didn't see Kernel Streaming in the output selection? Just Wasapi and ASIO. Wasapi make the player late respond a little. Is that normal? So far I enjoy using ASIO. What is DS BTW? Direct Sound?
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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 11:42 AM)
for the speaker isolation, it varies a lot so i am lazy to put the pic cause diff ppl hav diff method. but the basic is:

To make it short, speaker isolation is to isolate your speaker from touching unwanted surface. This is being done by putting some isolation product in between your speaker and the surface such as table or floor. It can be spikes, it can also be a block of wood or marble plates. Few types of isolation products can be setup together as long as it suit your listening taste

for the C3, due to budget limitation, i jz stick some spikes at the bottom and and jz put it on the table as usual. i also stick the spikes on my subwoofer as well and leave it on the floor. each of the spikes are around 2cm tall. if u hav more budget u can try put marble plate or other type of thing at the bottom and leave ur speaker with spike on it. u can refer to these pic in UD100 fb page for the look:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=522...&size=640%2C480

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=515...&size=800%2C598

i am running win 7 and am able to use kernel streaming wif UD100. i personally prefer kernel streaming over ASIO, jz personal preferences XD
ya DS is direct sound
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And how come kernel streaming not available for me? doh.gif
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Guys, for RM800 budget what suitable for music and gaming? I think I'm willing to spend RM1k max. To be spesific, music> gaming. Tried M50W before, not really impressive. Plus, the problem is the bass behind the sub so it's something I want to avoid. Acoustic Energy Aego M kinda attractive since they have subwoofer. I want to try something like Audioengine 2 or M Audio but I afraid that the bass are not satisfying for me.
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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 03:38 PM)
if u mean speaker, try edifier s730d. and the DAC i will choose hrt music streamer 2.
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Yup, speaker. biggrin.gif How about Aego M?
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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 03:44 PM)
never test it b4... so i m not really sure XD anyway how is ur UD100? able to do kernel streaming already?
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Yup. Listening with KS now. Just now DAC not connected. No wonder unable to use KS. doh.gif laugh.gif Silly me. Well, for my SP 2500 (reference setting) ASIO seems like improve the bass. And no delay in player. While with Wasapi and KS, there's a tad delay with the player. Sound wise, KS SQ are better. The most obvious improvement is the clarity. And the bass are not too boomy but less power in bass oriented songs but I'm okay with that. Now listening to my Coldplay collection by speaker. thumbup.gif Will test with my headphone later. Thank you very much...
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QUOTE(Emiya Shirou @ Jul 4 2013, 05:21 PM)
i actually compare ASIO, kernel streaming and WASAPI using foobar for my DAC b4, i personally like kernel streaming.
mayb is my DAC limitation cause i heard WASAPI is working better wif SPDIF but my DAC is using usb cable for the audio transfer.
anyway it's up to personal preferences which 1 u like XD
ya, i actually like kernel streaming over wasapi and asio due to it's clarity of vocal and gud dynamic expression. does the bass feel like less power? i feel like the bass is better control and like it more XD

anyway, if u r eager to try out, u can try jplay http://jplay.eu/download/
u can download the free trial version and test it out first.
the price is a little steep, but if u do plan to own better audio stuffs later on and play using PC, it's a gud upgrade.
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Yup, IMO the bass are less power but what I love, less boomy and less fatigue. Yup, obviously the bass of my speaker are more controlled. Well, I can tolerate with controlled bass instead of boomy bass. Hehe... I did download the "Jack Sparrow" version but require password for extraction. doh.gif
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QUOTE(power911 @ Jul 4 2013, 06:06 PM)
aego m sounds tinny if didn't position things correctly
and aego m is very critical to room size... it seemed to only work best in small rooms.

I find buying aego m is very risky unless you know what you want
it's a love or hate thing so...
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Thanks for the info. I read regarding the room size before somewhere so I guess it's out from my list. Hmmm... What will you recommend then? Regarding 2.0 vs 2.1 bass, I think 2.0 produce better bass. But can the bass shake the room like 2.1? I guess not right? But will they go loud and kicking? Well, the new Edifier R2800 get my attention but they are freaking huge on a table. sweat.gif

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