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Ramjade
post Feb 22 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 22 2017, 10:56 PM)
Under Trump reign, what US counters can we consider then ?
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Banking and infrastructure. You many wonder to consider Lloyds bank

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post Feb 24 2017, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 24 2017, 12:03 PM)
omg. how to change SGD then ? It seems it wont come down.

if this time it comes down, I will change big amount already. RM koyak habis habisan.
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Just change don't wait. Too bad I am overseas.
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post Feb 25 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Feb 25 2017, 07:59 AM)
I want to ask about the fee of using DBS Vickers Cash Upfront Account.

1). What is the fee to open the DBS Vickers Cash Upfront Account?

2) After I open the trading account, if I did not use the trading account to buy or sell shares, will there be any charges, such as monthly admin fee?

3) Are there any other fees I should know, such as Goods & Services Tax (GST) imposed by Singapore Government at 7%?

http://www.dbs.com.sg/vickers/en/pricing/f...ble_en_04122014

Based on the website, I can only see commission Charge of 0.28% (for online transactions), clearing fee (CDP imposed) of 0.0325%, and SGX Trading Fee of 0.0075%.

Thank you for the information.  notworthy.gif
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1) Fee is FOC
2) No. Unless you buy foreign listed share on ASK, HKSE, LSE, NYSE, etc. No fees for SGX shares
3) Cash upfront (CU) non promo
SGD18/0.18% whichever is higher/transaction
CU promo
SGD10/0.12% whichever is higher/transaction + SGD5 rebate per transaction (promo is valid until end of june)

Fees
- SGX fees
- Clearing fees
- GST (0% as we are foreigners)

Keep in mind that once you use DBS V CU to buy, you will need to use DBS Vickers Cash account to sell thus incurring SGD25/0.25% whichever is higher/transaction.

You cannot use DBS V CU to sell. sad.gif vmad.gif mad.gif

That's why aiming for SCB when I am qualified. Transfer everything to them without incurring any fees (SCB will abosrb the transfer fees).

Will use DBS V CU until promo is over then switch over to Maybank KE Prefunded as Maybank KE Prefunded let you sell at SGD10 (promo rate)

Btw gark according to DBS V, I don't have any broker assigned to me as my account is an online account. Haiz...

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post Feb 25 2017, 08:59 AM

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elea88
i) do you have any broker assigned to you?
ii) so how about the selling part?
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post Feb 25 2017, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 25 2017, 08:59 AM)
Ramjade,

i also thinking change to MKE. i calculated in 2016 alone i sell 20 times .. wah.. that is a saving of SGD 300.00.
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Maybank KE will charge you SGD10.70/transfer best if can get SCB as transfer in is free but they closed their doors. sad.gif

Keep in mind selling limit is valid for 3 days only. Of course they can assign you the limit based on how much you transact with cash upfront. But I feel DBS V is very troublesome.

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post Feb 25 2017, 09:10 AM

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[quote=elea88,Feb 25 2017, 09:04 AM]
[quote=Ramjade,Feb 25 2017, 09:03 AM]
Maybank KE will charge you SGD10.70/transfer.
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u mean transfer in shares to MAYBANK KE?
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elea88Yes. The above is for KE Prefunded account. See my reply above. Just edited.

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post Feb 25 2017, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 25 2017, 09:54 AM)
Maybe only the cash account has agent/broker support.  innocent.gif

Better migrate to prefunded MKE, as far as i know they have competitive rates and broker/agent support.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Will do that since no point buy but cannot sell. Need to contact to increase limit some more.
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post Feb 25 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 25 2017, 11:13 AM)
ok thank you. i try fill in the online forms this weekend.
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To apply from here need to sahkan with commisioner of oath. sweat.gif

QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 25 2017, 11:54 AM)
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/in...php?f=1338&ns=T

was recommended this by friend..

hv u heard? Lower cost than MKE.

all markets.
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Too hard. USD10/month.
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post Feb 25 2017, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Feb 25 2017, 02:39 PM)
Ramjade and elea88, thank you for your informative advices.  thumbup.gif
As advocated by Master gark, it seems that the general consensus is to use a nominee trading account (such as Maybank KE and SCB) to keep SGX shares, rather than using a CDP account. I guess that most of you all think the lower brokerage cost far outweighs the risk of not having the ownership of the shares under your name.  hmm.gif
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Form my point of view,

I had no choice that time when opening account. To have SG bank account must have DBS Vickers or else they won't entertain your request to open account.

The way I see it the advantage of having CDP account
1) Able to attend AGM and makan besar
2) ABle to vote during AGM
3) Share is in your name

Keep in mind that 1) and 2) need you to travel to SG. For people like me who is unable to travel frequnetly, no point having CDP account.

One thing I have learned through reading ETF investing, keep your cost as low as possible as every saving is practically extra bullets for you to buy.
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post Feb 25 2017, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 25 2017, 10:58 PM)
Just engage a professional trustee to help manage your inheritance. You can ask them to liquidate all your accounts and assets after departure and divide accordingly. Or they can manage for you to continue distribute income and/or until your dependence reach certain age or years so they dont squander the wealth . They will work you to establish your exact requirements.

Of course this service is not free but one time payment for peace of mind.
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Any recommendation?
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post Feb 25 2017, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 25 2017, 11:37 PM)
Got many, depend on your budget. You can check further at the retirement forum. I am looking at options.

Btw, do you think you are too young to consider estate planning? smile.gif
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A sifu told me to always plan even though you are young. Save, research, invest, plan in case you bye.gif bye.gif so that your love one will not suffer much.

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post Feb 26 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Feb 26 2017, 10:01 AM)
Sorry for not understanding your statement.  blush.gif

For the case of Maybank Kim Eng Trade Prefunded Account, will the dividend be credited into this KE Trade Prefunded Account, and then we need to manually transfer the dividend, to our Singapore saving account?
Assuming that MAS does not extend the tax-free period beyond March 2020, do you all plan to sell your SGX shares and S-REIT units latest on February 2020, since withholding tax will naturally reduce our yield?  hmm.gif
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Sell and put where? Bring back RM? I don't think so. Worse come to worse, HK REITS (tax free), ASX (yield more or less same with SG after tax)

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post Feb 26 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Feb 26 2017, 10:27 AM)
I agree with you that Point 1 and 2 are irrelevant to us here. My concern with Point 3 is based on the link you shared with me earlier.
In other words, if our shares are in CDP account, the stockbroker cannot misuse our shares to save them.

Then again, as Master gark said that Maybank Kim Eng is a very established and reputable brokerage house, probably I am worried too much.  sweat.gif

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Assuming that I have a DBS Vickers Cash Upfront Account, and also a Maybank Kim Eng Trade Prefunded Account.

At first, I buy some share through DBS Vickers, and the shares are in my CDP account. Is it possible to sell the shares through Maybank Kim Eng, a few weeks later?
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Well for Sifu Hansel, he perfer shares to be CDP because he wants to attend their AGM. For me, I don't really care about the AGM as long as the counter is performing, don't really want to look at it.

No. If buy via DBS V CU, you cannot sell through Maybank KE Trade Prefunded Account. You will have to have Maybank KE Cash account, link it to CDP then you can only sell using Cash account incurring SGD25/0.25% commission.
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post Feb 26 2017, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 26 2017, 06:18 PM)
Most reit gives dividend 2 to 4 times per year. Timing will not matter if you plan to hold long term. If you want dividend, you must hold the share before until exdate.

I mostly buy whenever there is value and hunt mostly after ex dividend. smile.gif
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Ex date is the day they pay you or (eg most reits pay on 28/2) or is it the day they announced how much are they going to pay us?

QUOTE(kart @ Feb 26 2017, 05:31 PM)
Thanks, gark.  thumbup.gif That removes the my concern of not having the SGX shares and S-REIT units under my name.

Alright, I shall follow your advice to open Maybank Kim Eng Trade Prefunded Account.  thumbup.gif

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Keep in mind that if you filled up and post over, you will need commsioner of oath to verify everything. Better to apply when you are down in Singapore. Less hassle. smile.gif

QUOTE(gark @ Feb 26 2017, 06:18 PM)
Most reit gives dividend 2 to 4 times per year. Timing will not matter if you plan to hold long term. If you want dividend, you must hold the share before until exdate.

I mostly buy whenever there is value and hunt mostly after ex dividend. smile.gif
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Ex date is the day they pay you or (eg most reits pay on 28/2) or is it the day they announced how much are they going to pay us?

QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 26 2017, 03:13 PM)
Well,... I discovered that attending AGMs has unveiled information and matters that an investor can't get by just reading materials. This is my experience. A very good eg is something I heard when I attended the Parkway LIfe AGM last year,... sometimes, reading too much just clogs the mind up, and blurs us from some impt information to help us make decisions.

Bro Gark - well,... it's very hard to persuade Stanchart to let you us attend AGMs. My Private Bank - yes, and that also is I am holding a certain large number of shares. Don't abt the rest of the nominee accounts though,...
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I would like to attend however I need to be rational
(i) Can I take leave from work?
(ii) Will I get back and don't feel tired and ready to start work the next day?

Hence for me, attending is NOT IMPORTANT unless you are already establish and can take leave anytime you want. Is it worth getting fired from work just to attend the AGM? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 26 2017, 07:01 PM)
Announcement date - date divvy is announced
Ex date - date divvy is distributed ( share no longer have divvy)
Payment date - date divvy is paid to your accounts

That is the basic of dividend dates.

If you buy before ex date and keep until ex date - you are entitled to dividend.

If you sell before exdate, you dont get divvy.
If you buy on exdate or after that, you dont get divvy.
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- Nevermind - found my answer -

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post Feb 26 2017, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 26 2017, 07:24 PM)
Yes bro,... agreed with your approach above. Stabilize yrself in yr career first,... then only start to focus more in investments...
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That's why for now read forum, blog, reports. That's the next best thing one can do. Btw, please check your PM. PM you awhile back.

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 26 2017, 09:35 PM)
I agreed with Sifu Hansel's suggestion. You might risking your career too. I bet you career in medical line is going to be fully occupied.

Not sure u can find time to check the hp during the day time tongue.gif

as for me, I still can have time to check and place order too during office hour.
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Can always queue in the night or in the morning what. tongue.gif

QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 26 2017, 09:57 PM)
Sifu,

You are my idol and I m tailgating you closely. From nothing in Dec 2016 to have quite a big sum in Sg reits, I think this is a great achievement. I m not smart but I m willing to learn and do some simple research. Hope to bear more fruits in future.
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I am just hoping the US rates does not have much impact on SG rates. However SG import their interest rate from US sad.gif I am always late to the party. From FD, Amanah Saham, FSM, not S-REITS sad.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2017, 08:35 AM)
Ram, if you don't mind can you summarise opening the Vickers trading account through DBS or POSB accounts?

My bank wants to charge me USD50 monthly for accounts less than USD200k!    bangwall.gif
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I apply in person at MBFC. Yes. you can apply via POSB/DBS.
https://internet-banking.dbs.com.sg/ibAPL/C...ount_stp_ib_btn
https://www.posb.com.sg/personal/investment.../vickers-online

I am going to move to Maybank KE (not qualified for SCB) as I find that DBS V is troublesome (I am using cash upfront account). Reasons:
(i) If you want to sell, you need to email/call them for approval of limit. By the time they approve your application via email, the price could drop.
(ii) When you sell, you can't use cash upfront account but you need to use cash account which will incur charges of SGD25/0.25% (whichever is higher) vs cash upfront at SGD18/0.18% (whichever is higher)

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2017, 08:56 AM)
No.....never in agreement. It's Citibank SG
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I think this is for Priority customer? Yes? If you can qualifty for Priority service, better suggestion would be SCB SG. SCB SG is still accepting priority customer. No brokerage fees (min fees) and custodian fees for priority customer (you only pay clearing fees, . Best part is according to prince_mk, all your stocks holding are counted so you don't need to buy anything from them. However it's not under CDP and hard to attend AGM.

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post Feb 28 2017, 07:33 PM

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Surprisingly to buy Manulife US REITS from SG using USD is hard. rclxub.gif They don't accept direct transfer of USD. They will require you to TT the USD to them even though the USD is in SG itself/drop them a cheque (for MKE). For DBS V, need to visit any of the DBS branch. Like WTF blink.gif shocking.gif doh.gif



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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 28 2017, 07:48 PM)
I bought via Stanchart and all I need to do was bank in Sgd to my eSavers acc. then transfer to my USD settlement acc. let than 5 seconds, you may roll your ball.

Maybe you are not sure how to use the DBSV. Can check with our sifu Elea. I believe she is going to invest in ASX / HK market soon.

Or perhaps our sifu Gark.
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You can pay using SGD but why bother paying the bank extra money? confused.gif Sifu Hansel said he used USD changed from Midvalley to buy Manulife (and he uses DBS which means it's possible).

I have already found a cheap way to bypass DBS MCA/other banks foreign currency notes charges (need large amount of USD for it to be effective. If use small amount of USD, better to deposit via counter and pay them the fees)

Elea pay in SGD. Sifu Gark does not hold Manulife US.

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