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post Sep 19 2017, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 19 2017, 02:28 PM)
My buying price was 1.05+ so you see I don't need to add unless price drop drastically  devil.gif
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Last time price may never come again... now must focus on which REIT can still buy.. tongue.gif

At current price if you ask me if MLT vs FR.. u think which one I will pick? tongue.gif
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post Sep 19 2017, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 19 2017, 03:30 PM)
I am ok with my money earning 4-5%p.a+ while I wait.
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In bond fund? Careful FED don't torpedo your bonds.. devil.gif
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post Sep 19 2017, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 19 2017, 04:02 PM)
Don't worry. The bond I select very stable. Hardly dive during "Nov-Dec Trump Tantrum"  devil.gif  devil.gif (was shocked such an asset assist in SG). That's why foundation learnt in FSM MY thread really helps. Give you hint. Starts with P and is SGD-Hedge. Both FSM SG and Phillip got sell. Depend on who do you want to get it from. whistling.gif  whistling.gif

See this
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Yellow = United SGD Fund Cl A Acc SGD
Red = Fullerton Asian Bond Fd Cl B SGD
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Haha good for you.. but be always ready to manage your risk. laugh.gif

What happen to fed last time did not affect bonds of many countries like Aussie and Euro as they did not stop QE.. next time might be different. innocent.gif

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post Sep 19 2017, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 19 2017, 05:21 PM)
Tq for all the comments earlier, bro,...

How do you mean by rental cannot be losing capital in your statements above ?
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You buy property, you decide to rent lower .. you still have the property. Price up or down to you is same.

But..

You buy reit at high price, you get lower yield .. when everything normalized, you suffer loss in share value.

You can argue it is the same, but share price is too fluctuation compared to landed prop...
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post Sep 19 2017, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 19 2017, 06:02 PM)
Before I give my points, bro,.. I just want to say that article abt Siloam Hospitals makes me feel really good,.... First REIT is my core holding,.. yeah,.. been with First REIT all these years,... but am not adding anymore,...

I think in principle,... if price up in a property, it will turn out to be unrealised loss,... AND if we wished to sell then, we may incur realised loss. Same with the REIT units, right ? If we are not selling (yet), no realised loss yet, right ?

In fact,... it's worse in certain places whereby, the banks will do mark-to-mkt readings of their loans regularly, and if the asset value falls below the loan value, the bank will ask the loanholder to top-up,... and ok,... if you buy shares with margin,... yes, same thing also.

In Msia, the banks don't monitor mark-to-mkt values, right ? Sorry don't know,... paid up all my loans already years ago !!!!! Never bought props in Msia anymore.
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At least property loan is not so transparent, less fluctuation in prices, so people tend to hold long term... and feel good. Banks here never mark to market for loans, once approve thats it.

If holding REIT, everyday you get reminded of the price drop, and you can feel the pain. When people feel panic, they do stupiak things. laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2017, 12:24 AM)
Update: Cromwell will now be holding 25.9% to 26.8% stake in the reit vs 12.7%
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Market rumor says cromwell decide to eat more own cooking, because book building is a bit lackluster.. ie. less interest. laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Sep 20 2017, 05:42 AM)
Thanks again for your pointers, Hansel.


b. I do not think that I can purchase 20 rights units to round off to 200 right units, again due to the limitation of 100 units of lot size.

Thanks for the advice.  smile.gif
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The only way is to subscribe and apply for excess 20 shares. Then you dont have odd-lots, and those rights are FOC. laugh.gif

No need to buy the rights, usually odd lots will get priority for excess
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post Sep 20 2017, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 20 2017, 08:27 AM)
Any difference on investing in Malaysia or Singapore REIT?

What's the difference on the different brokerage? Are there risk involved like forex brokerage?
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Of course lah different, different properties, different currency.. etc. innocent.gif

REITs is not like forex trading, the entire industry is monitored by government agencies (SC, MAS), legal and safe.

Forex exposure can be managed, best if you can open no frills brokerage at each country you want to invest.

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post Sep 20 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 20 2017, 08:43 AM)
I am scratching my head over this .

Morgan Stanley has become substantial shareholder in Croesus!
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A lot of people are betting the 1.17 is under priced and the deal will be extended (>1 Nov).

There are a few prominent investor keep buying at 1.15-1.165 to take that bet.

if they lose the bet they get their money back and some profit(0.5c-1.5c). If they win, then further upside. Essentially no risk to them.

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post Sep 20 2017, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2017, 08:58 AM)
I thought vote over? Apa Croesus drama some more?
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If blackstone cannot get financing to close the deal before 1 Nov, you get the accrued dividend. laugh.gif

Some people are betting on that... Morgan Stanley bought loads of shares at 1.17... go figure. rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 20 2017, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2017, 09:05 AM)
Wait so if blackstone no money, then deal is off? Unlikely blackstone no money. vmad.gif Got money to make sub-par offer but got no money to buy?  rolleyes.gif
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Got money.. but many hope, they don't get it done before dateline..

I think Morgan Stanley have insider info, otherwise they won't buy soo much.. rclxub.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 20 2017, 09:12 AM)
For another 2 odd cents of dividends?    hmm.gif
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Dunno wor.. u need ask Morgan Stanley. Hahahaha. tongue.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Sep 20 2017, 09:11 AM)
who want sell below 1.17?
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Got some sell at 1.165 .. those cannot wait to receive money one.. or need the money for other bets. laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 20 2017, 09:16 AM)
Strange........
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Lets just see how it pans out.. but Morgan Stanley owns 4.8+% before the vote.. and it seems they voted yes to the deal, since acceptance is 98%..

Even more mystery.. whistling.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 20 2017, 11:47 AM)
Bro Gark,... Excess Rights are FREE ? If we are allocated by the BOD, we will still need to pay the price of each Rights (Excess) unit allocated to us, right ???
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Excess you only pay for the subscription, no need pay for the RI...
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post Sep 20 2017, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 20 2017, 11:45 AM)
That's what I do not understand. If the majority has voted to sell, how does one negotiate another deal??????     confused.gif

Strange......like Gark mentioned. Only way is if the deal fails due to bidco unable to fulfil the pre conditions of sale eg funding.
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Maybe... just maybe.. some trader at MS, accidentally key in a wrong purchase order.. brows.gif

Not the first time this has happened.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Sep 20 2017, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2017, 11:55 AM)
Not necessary. Some broker still let you open without bank account by post but need everything to be verified by commisioner of oath/notary. Extra work.

Correction. CDP is useless to foreigners without SG address.
1) cannot apply for rights issue
2) cannot apply for preferential offering

So tell me again why do I need CDP?


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My view is CDP is more trouble than it is worth for non SG residents.. tongue.gif

Nominee or custodian is more flexible and takes the headache out.. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 20 2017, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 20 2017, 12:05 PM)
How many bros and sis here going fro this IPO ? I've been banging my head on this IPO,...
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You also need to note their fee's is more than 2x of other Reits.. maybe too diverse and too many properties to manage? innocent.gif

Base fee 0.68% prop value (property management fees) + 0.28% of property value (REIT management fees) + 25% DPU difference performance fee.

Yield 7.4%-7.6%, but if the manager takes the fee in cash instead of units, Yield becomes 6.4%-6.6% hmm.gif

The independent report by Colliers is a good read, describing some properties as unrentable, need urgent repair, poor location, even health hazards and best of all provides pictures etc.. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif Also report on current rent vs market rent.. also interesting.

Much better and detailed compared to the other 2 valuers.. no wonder this report is shoved to end of the prospectus. innocent.gif

So I recommend you read that before deciding.. location is everything in property investment right?

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post Sep 20 2017, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 20 2017, 12:13 PM)
Yeah,... have to agree here,... but investing without the capability to participate in RIs, Pref Offerings and Bonus Issues is diluting to us,... just a thought,..
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Can... nominee and custodian accounts can do RI, Pref Offer, DRIPs etc even easier, just whatsapp to the broker what you want to do, and they do everything for you. No need lift a finger.. but pay a little bit of money. Justified for the convenience. laugh.gif

Only thing cannot do it IPO..

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post Sep 20 2017, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 20 2017, 02:33 PM)
Tq,... Cushman and Wakefled provided a more lively outlook instead,...  smile.gif

If the Euro strengthens further as is anticipated to do so, we will collect more rental in the SGD,... now that the ECB and Mr Draghi is talking abt reducing the stimulus already,... if this REIT is denominated in the SGD,... then risks are higher on that yield forecast.

I am betting on the REIT price dipping BELOW 52 EUR,... this will guarantee some better yield subsequently,....
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After review all the documents.. i would say this REIT is OK.. some negative items as highlighted, but higher yields are compensating for it. smile.gif

However personally for me, I will take the wait and see method first.

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