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post Nov 15 2017, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 15 2017, 05:59 PM)
At first look, it might be 1.15.. but the term sheet is written in horrible twisting lawyer burok english mention, AFTER paying the debts.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

This will work out to be about 95 cents only. That's why the price went nosedived later in the evening.

However the consideration is $966 million BUT if only net asset exclude debt it is worth $1033 million, lower than the consideration.

So it does not make sense for offer price to minus off the debt.

We shall see some clarification in a few days time.
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Indian company disclosure sure make lots of confusion..

This morning, MKE analysis says 1.15 per share..price surged..

Then afternoon, Nomura says 90-91 cents per share..after all debts, price crash..

Then evening, MKE revise to 1.05 per share, after debts at trust level only..

So confusing, even analyst cannot digest properly.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Nov 23 2017, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Nov 22 2017, 05:32 PM)
so in Singapore. the rich just get richer?????
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not really a huge discount, on paper yes 5-6 cent discount, but AA will pay 2 cents divvy special divvy before placement. So discount is just about 3 cents.. tongue.gif

Not really.. spectacular.. laugh.gif

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post Dec 21 2017, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 21 2017, 11:13 AM)
Reit market has no respond at all even 10 years Treasuries shoot beyond 2.5% last night.
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I did haha.. sold some overpriced reits and move into divvy stocks..

Risk for REITs are getting higher everyday...

2.6% is the number everyone looking for.. which will be significant.

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post Dec 21 2017, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 21 2017, 03:30 PM)
Bro gark

Why is 2.6% significant?
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A few bond guru, says 10Y yields persistently above 2.60 will be the tipping point for a bond selloff...and will enter a secular bear market.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-funds-in...t-idUSKBN14U1I4

Now looking at the weak USD, coupled with inflation and raising rates. 2.6% is a real possibility..

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post Dec 22 2017, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 21 2017, 07:46 PM)
just looking at my SGX after few weeks...

what u sell?
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Capital mall.. tongue.gif
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post Dec 22 2017, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 22 2017, 09:26 AM)
cap mall sold long time ago.
sell Lipppo
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Lippo debt just got downgrade to junk.. and IDR slide 10% against SGD..

More weakness incoming..
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post Dec 22 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Dec 22 2017, 10:50 AM)
Lippo down 6% due to this news.

Soilbuild down to almost lowest point again
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Dragging it's sister REIT together with it..

But the fundamentals not same.. whistling.gif

Wait cheaper can load up. laugh.gif

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post Dec 22 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Dec 22 2017, 12:00 PM)
sister reit?

got report saying SB exploring Australia liao
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First reit is also owned by Lippo group, but rental paid in SGD.

Now only go aussie? Too late or not.. people exiting aussie liao.. currency dropping..

FCT.. is going to europe, euro going up..

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post Jan 2 2018, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 26 2017, 08:53 AM)
erm.. and i SOLD. now they come out with this announcement!!!

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I have been monitoring IDR SGD exchange rate.. which has dropped 10% in 2017. LMIR will reflect these weakness in the following QR.
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post Jan 3 2018, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 2 2018, 06:54 PM)
SGD0.12% or min SGD 5 (whichever higher). To sell it's 0.25% or min SGD200 (whichever is higher)
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Crazy rates..

That is the trap eh... tongue.gif



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post Jan 3 2018, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 3 2018, 09:53 AM)
Not if you don't sell tongue.gif
Imagine they offering this rates during 2008 drool.gif
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Buy with DBS.. do free transfer to a new brokerage account... then sell. laugh.gif whistling.gif

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post Jan 3 2018, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 3 2018, 10:20 AM)
Cannot leh. All DBS stock is in CDP. And need to pay SGD10+ to CDP to transfer.
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Can... you can transfer from one CDP to another.. and also to broker CDP if nominee. tongue.gif

Some broker if you open new account, will have one time offer to transfer for free.. rclxms.gif

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post Jan 3 2018, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 3 2018, 10:26 AM)
Apa broker itu? I know maybank KE don't let me transfer in for free sad.gif
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You can nego when open account.. tongue.gif

Most broker will oblige.. 1 time only. laugh.gif
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post Apr 27 2018, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 27 2018, 10:39 AM)
The drop is mini-scale range from 1~2% only.

Unlike the plunge during end of 2016.

Currently, Sgreit is more like stuck in range bound except a few that related to individual issue like Lippo.

I am surprise FLT doesn't react much to depreciation of AUD, (although they do hedge their AUD position based on what I read previously)
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Yeah no REIT bargains in SGX.. now REIT bargain shifted to KLSE.. innocent.gif
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post Apr 27 2018, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 27 2018, 11:42 AM)
gark!!! U are back.

what u buying from SGX..
tech, semi con stocks is beaten.. I still waiting for bottom
banking stocks?

i accidently just sold some SUNREIT & IGB REIT... did not expect it to move up so fast.
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No more SGX reit.. all over priced and interest risk coming

Recently.. bought some Thaibev, Singtel and STE

KLSE reit.. CMMT, KIPreit. MQreit and IGBreit

KLSE divvy .. astro, pwroot bought mostly during the heavy selldown recently...

Sold all nestle.. laugh.gif

No time to play active stocks.. liao.. so keep all divvy stocks only..

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post Apr 27 2018, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 27 2018, 12:06 PM)
i still holding NESTLE. key in advance only want sell at 160.

Attended NESTLE AGM yesterday. so many UNCLE AUNTIES there.. with no intention to sell

3 generation Shareholders...!!!

out of SGX REIT.. then $$$ put where???
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Did not sell all my existing SGX reit.. just 'no more' buying new SGX reits.. tongue.gif

New SGD cash put in the 3 stocks i mentioned..

nestle is a very good stock but wayyy overpriced liao.. <2% divvy, PE 50x... better to exchange with other stocks..

My disposal average price 14X.. starting from early of year until recently..

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post Apr 27 2018, 02:55 PM

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Just read on the disposal of Sembawang mall by Capitalmall... latest valuation $126 million done on Dec 2017 but sold at $248 million...almost double.. a few months later.

Valuation done by REITs is based on cashflow basis... and not actual property value. That is why you have such big fluctuations in value when tenancy drops..

This gets me thinking.. there might be a serious mismatch on the property value held in REITs compared to market value.. but we cannot realize it unless they sell wink.gif

Hmmm... innocent.gif

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Also I have been tracking Sungai Wang mall under CMMT.. the property value drop almost 60% already.. getting lower year on year using DCF valuation becasue of huge negative rental revision.. latest at mere RM 500 psf net lettable area.. cannot be so cheap gua.. brows.gif

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post Apr 27 2018, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 27 2018, 03:36 PM)
Selling price way higher than purchase price is not something too surprise, as property valuation tends to inflate over the time.
It is about selling price is way above or below current valuation that matter the most.

The huge mismatch as posted before on CCT.
https://sbr.com.sg/commercial-property/news...-villages-value
I wonder how come there is so big mismatch.
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The mismatch of REIT property value and actual property value is due to different valuation methods used.

When REIT value their property is always on DCF method.. ie total rental income received over a number of years. If rental comes down, the revaluation of the property will come down.

On layman when they sell the property, they will consider the 'market' value of the land and building, income generation is usually not much of a factor.

Hence REIT can sometimes over or under value their assets.. depending on rental income generation.

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