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post Apr 5 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 5 2017, 11:41 AM)
Bro,.. not necessary to pay that amt, even if yr divvies reach into the thousands per qtr. Try to open SG brokerage accounts,... but, wait a minute, there's a problem,... you can't transfer yr shares over to yr SG brokerage, can you ??

You may need to sell and buy again, in which case, you can't buy at the good prices at which you bought earlier,...
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Just to share:
I've transferred from iTrade to TDASG (TDAmeritrade SG - rebranded from TDAA) all my US stocks
Thus, should be do-able for SG stocks too - ie. iTrade to SG broker.

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post Apr 5 2017, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Apr 5 2017, 01:05 PM)
Thanks for the info. Are there any other charges in addition to this?

How do you convert your funds in RM to SGD?? Is it automatically done by iTrade and rate determined by CIMB?
and when you receive the dividend in SGD, what happens to the dividend? Converted back to RM?
Did you have to pay anything to transfer your stocks to another broker?
actually I've questions about ETF. At one point, I wanted to buy gold ETF.

but there's something called mmgt/admin fee, right? Do you pay this yearly??
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1. iTrade or HlLeB will convert RM to SGD as necessary, following their rates, to pay for BUYs.

Dividend received will remain in SGD if U opted to have multi-currency account.

2. Yes, paid iTrade to transfer but it was very negligible if I recall correctly. No need to pay receiving broker

3. Huh? Gold ETF Yearly mgmt/admin fees?
U mean GLD? That's a U.S. listed ETF, not SGX.
if I'm not mistaken, the fees are factored daily into the daily NAV, thus affecting their market bid/ask price
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 12 2017, 12:17 PM)
Thru mining stock ? SPDR ? physical ? bank gold account ? I think I better start soon  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 12 2017, 12:28 PM)
Another million dollar questions on which currencies to hold :

If market crash really happen in the near future, how would it affect our currencies ? (USD, S$, A$, GBP, CNY, JPY.....)

My guess will be US market will start the ball rolling. So, USD will come down first. And fund manager will scramble to other safer markets (JPY ?). So other currencies will gain over USD

And Gold will soar, Bond will be snatch up....

How would RM perform ? Will RM still peg to USD ? Should we hold RM or change to S$ or A$ or JPY NOW in anticipation of picking up good value stocks IF market crash ?
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hmm.. similar situation U & i.

Currently holding only about 1% of my liquid assets in "paper gold", accumulated bit by bit during the slide through the past few years via PBank Gold Investment a/c - 4% charges. Haven't been accumulating for awhile since the current RM gold price is way higher than my total average cost.

Planning to have about 3% to 5% (depending on gold price's ups/downs) but future purchases will be via GLD unless it's hard to transfer $ out to my TDA-SG account. If there is still the sekatan, then PB lor (about 4% spread buy/sell).

However, my reasons for gold is not because of fear of currency crashes coz all the big boys did their version of QEs and i'm no seer/oracle to know what will go down/up. Thus, my simplistic reasoning & approach is just for asset allocation purposes - gold being a % of my "cash" - which it is looooong time ago laugh.gif

Dead simple reasoning & execution - i can't handle complex sweat.gif

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post Jul 12 2017, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jul 12 2017, 03:26 PM)
"but future purchases will be via GLD"

what is GLD.
what is TDA-SG ACCOUNT?

i hv PB GOLD saving book too. Started 2008 when price RM91.15... last added was in 2010 at RM170..I top up everytime i walk into PUBLIC BANK.. till now have not withdraw any... Do not think its good return. as its just $$$ sitting there. No income unless sell.
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GLD = US listed "gold ETF", can buy via US-linked brokerages, like TDA-SG, IB, even local brokerages that has US access

TDA-SG / TDASG = TD Ameritrade Singapore (was previously knowned as TD Ameritrade Asia or TDAA)

PB's Gold Investment A/C - fyi, if U DIY online via PBeB, lower spread /cost leh brows.gif


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 12 2017, 03:46 PM)
But you mentioned you are using Options to generate money? Isn't derivative more complicated?  tongue.gif
I think GLD = SPDR Gold ETF. They are can be bought from SGX (more expensive) and US (much cheaper). Doing that eliminates the spread from buying traditional gold bar/buying gold from PB/Maybank as that ETF reflects the current price of gold.

TDA-SG ACCOUNT = TD Ameritrade SG for buying into US stocks. Quite expensive broker. Use to be defacto stockbroker for those wanting to buy Irish democile ETF as it was commission free. All that change when TD Ameritrade close that door to Asians. They are forcing Asians to pay for previously commission free ETFs. Now only Ang Mo get to buy commission free ETF. Better US stocks broker exist at USD4.95/trade. But not sure if they allow Malaysians as customer.
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Stock options = simple/clear to understand & execute when U map to buy/sell stocks with "promissory notes"/contractual promises AND execute simple stuff like credit spreads, naked puts, covered calls, iron condors - all these "executions" are just combination of 2 basic stuff je rclxs0.gif

Aiya, expensive this/that. It all depends on how much one can nego with brokerage AND the size & frequency of orders ma. I'm not going to bother with $1 or $9 when my order's value itself is $25K. Use the right tool for your own right situation AND your situation may not be other's situation notworthy.gif

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post Aug 4 2017, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 4 2017, 10:42 AM)
biggrin.gif ...

Jumping here and there,... for myself, I'd stabilise myself with a good job first,... dangerous plans my bro has,....

I dare not even comment too much about what holdings everywhere here,...
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execution of estate plans may kill the assets' - ie. cost to execute in several countries... vs assets' value in those countries..

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 4 2017, 10:45 AM)
Good training to be investment manager!    biggrin.gif

Too many countries. Too many things to learn.
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IMHO, look-loom / knowing is ok
BUT if executing & learning SEVERAL different stuff at the same time.. may "chow for yup moh" (mixed up until kaboom)

my masters (books) say best to master 1 area/item & structured/systemize liao
THEN
move on to another new area
NOT
before as the areas may be so convoluted & nuances missed out can cause kaboom

No absolute right/wrong ya - iKuli just thinking out loud notworthy.gif

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post Aug 4 2017, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 4 2017, 10:53 AM)
US estate taxes sounds dangerous!

If our stocks are held in trust for us, what happens?
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From my readings in IRS +Deloitte and stuff:
NRAs (non resident aliens) - stocks, bonds, financial instruments, properties amounting to >USD60K will be taxed 40% or 45% upon transfer to beneficiaries.

Solution:
Go through brokerages that are NOT following US estate laws, eg TDASG follows SG estate laws

Cheapest this/that may not be the cheapest at the end of the day OR for one's final goal(s)

Just thinking ya - no absolute right/wrong, just Wong tongue.gif
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post Aug 4 2017, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 4 2017, 11:00 AM)
What about our local brokerages?

I am thinking that if they are holding in TRUST, is that not like any other trust where treatment of anything is at the trust level, not the individual level?  hmm.gif
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spot on gold bro
thus, the brokerage's setup / incorporation & follow which country's law is the AHA!
also.. i still dont get the "woohoo" on direct-SG purchases (ie individual account like MY's CDS) vs nominee /brokerage trust

IPO - so what? i always recall why people IPO, ie current shareholders wanting to IPO
i don't want to be SOLD to
i want to BUY based on my own parameters tongue.gif
maybe i'm just stupid.. bangwall.gif blush.gif
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post Aug 4 2017, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 4 2017, 11:06 AM)
This just occured to me,... is it possible that,... if say, we have a portfolio of shares under our single name in a portfolio at a particular brokerage, then we initiate a transfer of this whole portfolio to another person's name in the same brokerage ? This would be, in essence, transferring out holdings to a beneficiary,...

In Singapore ? In Australia ?
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In SG? no issue ar
AU - no idea, i dont have brokerage a/c there, sorry
US - had until i found out estate law issues and liquidated/transferred to SG BUT to my own name & passport #/etc (ie can prove i transfer to myself)

Also keep in mind, if OWNER request transfers = owner supposedly still alive, thus shouldnt be estate law issue
but if "found out" later owner kaput and it's someone else representing owner... IRS (if US la) have the legal right to go after fraudster.
eg.
just like in Malusia, i died and my wife happily go into online a/c with my userid & pwd to transfer $ out. it is by law, not legal, as all my assets are supposed to follow estate law liao.

again - above is my own reading (the right way Vs cases of ppl doing wrong way and kaboom) + practice, not lawyer here ar..
just iKuli, not a NON-expert EXPERT notworthy.gif sweat.gif

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post Aug 4 2017, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 4 2017, 12:18 PM)
Who said that?
http://fifthperson.com/top-10-singapore-re...from-their-ipo/

It all depends on the manager. A good manager will make the reit profitable.
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why still got make so widesweeping statement?
the long term return of anything can be negative on average coz the majority of anything is less than the minority which is superior
eg.
33% of people are smarter than the other 67%, thus the average is lower IQ than the minority - so..

eg 2.
90% of businesses closes within X years of business, so dont do biz
OR
do biz with good risk/cash flow management to be the 10% and/or have plans to try 11 times (fail 9 times stats + 1 buffer + 1 succeed)?

sorry ar - sarcasm high coz too much such NON-expert EXPERT Qs in my office.. bangwall.gif notworthy.gif
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post Dec 13 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Dec 13 2017, 08:34 AM)
To those here who own Singaporean REITs, did you buy them through a Malaysian brokerage, or did you set up an account in Singapore?
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Speaking for myself, unlike others assumption, i'm using HLeBroking (Malaysia) for SGREITs. IMHO, the cost per dividend isn't much as a % if U can afford to invest in SG. I'd rather do this VS running over to SG to open a/c, transfer of $ to that brokerage, etc.

Note - for US stocks, i do have an SG account but it does not require me to run to/fro and etc. smile.gif
Being effectively lazy is an art laugh.gif
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post Dec 13 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Dec 13 2017, 03:12 PM)
I have an existing brokerage account with CIMB that I use to trade local stocks. Tried to buy S-REITs a while back, but faced issues with poor exchange rate.

Based on some of the comments here, I'll probably sign up for FSM as a poorfag like me can only afford to buy approximately 1000 units max at a time. Question - do the dividends get converted and credited into a linked local bank account like how local stocks work? And do we need to declare the dividend earned?
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er.. i thought it was minimum 100 units nowadays?
hehe - U look to be a bigshot, 10x flex.gif

Div? no need to declare unless U just want to declare to buff up your passive income (maybe for loan or investor purposes?).


QUOTE(Vector88 @ Dec 13 2017, 03:25 PM)
I calculated before, the dividend handling fees is about 2% of my total dividend received per year. I can live with that for the time being without the hassle to go down to SG ...
Another aspect as I mentioned before, what if you kick the bucket one day ? imagine ur family members need to go through the hassle to settle the account matters in SG.
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yup, and to add to that, if one has other stuff in a centralized bank/brokerage..

some youngsters think 1 way, their way, is the BESTEST ma wink.gif
neber mind, those of us that knows the nuances treat him as TCSS until a nugget of truth comes out from the 100 mph mouth/typing laugh.gif

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post Dec 13 2017, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Dec 13 2017, 04:29 PM)
Not sure if it applies to S-REITs, but I find that through CIMB, buying local stocks at less than 1,000 units takes quite some time to recover the brokerage fees through dividends. These days I've made it a habit to try save up the cost of 10 lots before making a decision on whether or not to buy a stock.

BTW thanks to all the sifus here for the info, I've applied to open an account at FSM. smile.gif
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Personally, i do a >=SGD8K value per transaction to hit the minimum transaction cost, thus i don't buy based on units. I've also CIMB iTrade - similar for me with HLeB, it's based on the value transacted, not units wor.

U are on CIMB's iTrade or the other CIMB platform (i can't recall offhand)?
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https://reits.yieldsavvy.com/singapore/2018...symposium-2018/

Just to share - in case there are interested fellow investors the link above - no, i'm not affiliated or related to YieldSavvy

Hi MK! Thanks for being a member of YieldSavvy.com; I hope it's helpful to you smile.gif

I attended the REITs Symposium 2018 today (19 May) and really enjoyed the presentations and panel discussions.

In case you like to know what some of the REITs CXOs presented, you can download their slides PDF here.

How's that for some weekend reading/homework LOL.


Enjoy!
Richaard
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post May 27 2018, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 26 2018, 05:37 PM)
OK, tq,... but how abt the majority of the other trading accts out there ? I'm sure this acct is 'expensive' and has charges built-in ?
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HLeB has multi-currency account too smile.gif
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post Nov 1 2018, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 1 2018, 09:48 AM)
Can anyone verify this?

AIMS Cap DPU

2017 - 0.1275

2018 - 0.0933
That is a 27% drop!
https://www.dividends.sg/view/O5RU
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looking at my net dividends (brokerage sapus a bit), my net dividend receive dropped 28.35% per unit
so, ya, the 27% drop is real.
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Nov 7 2018, 03:01 PM)
This changes the whole investment thesis for the REIT and puts to rest the debate as to why the REIT has slid so much...  sad.gif

But even if we assume a current yield of 11%, after a 30% withholding tax applies in the worst case, the yield should be ~8%. Decent, but not exciting given market sentiments.
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Thank U for sharing JPMorgan's write-up Havoc Knightmare.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 15 2019, 08:45 AM)
Hi Bro Hans

It's okay to have different investing philosophies. Whatever works for each.
There's no really wrong or right in this.

Reason is:  ALL investing philosophies are based on certain assumptions. And these assumptions can be different in different environment.
Ram may not have a fort knox of savings like the olde goons here.  laugh.gif
Therefore he is trying to find the best entry time in a macro perspectve.
While you are investing at the micro level like Buffet. Bottom up type.

For young starters, since they are dependent on salary savings, they will have to make use of their smaller saving basket.
While oldies may have much bigger pool of cash.

So different philosophies. 
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yeah - consistency AND follow-through / execution is key for any plans/methodologies.
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 17 2019, 03:23 PM)
Need ask. i got call up for interview next week by LHDN. what they want ask huh?

Letter Like this:

Untuk makluman tuan, malaysia adalah salah satu negara pejanji yang menandatangani perjanjian pertukaran maklumat secara automatic . Sehubungan itu, LHDN telah menerima maklumat berkenaan penyata kewangan milik rakyat malaysia etc.. etc...

so, they ask for sesi temuduga.
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omg... if they've our data on overseas accounts via the "perjanjian pertukaran maklumat secara automatic", why the invite for interview?
just thinking - nothing to hide but what a waste of time especially if one is a worker/employee.

best of luck sis.
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 17 2019, 03:51 PM)
ya lor. give me a lot work if they ask me tell story of my account.

any idea BUY SELL stock overseas profit loss taxable or not? need declare ?

i know dividend is not taxable la.

must rajin keep paper work.
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as far as i'm concerned, buy-sell isnt taxable for me as that's not my job/active income.
if it aint taxable, optional to declare ma - and anyhow, they already said they are on some perjanjian automatik share info thinggy.

IMHO, very grey area as to when trading (buy/sell) = work but since i'm a worker +my transactions arent high... innocent.gif

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 2 2019, 01:20 PM)
HI bro,...

Yes, you are right - if counter no good, do not average up. I was just speaking in a general sense,...

The problem for myself is : I always hd to average-up ! Whatever I bought would have moved up !!!!
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i'd love to have such problem bro <envy> notworthy.gif

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