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post May 20 2019, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 20 2019, 04:21 PM)
Hehe,... bro,.. yeah, I recalled earlier you were heavy on cash,.. you have now taken the plunge !!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

So,... you bought today and he is still waiting,.. start collecting dividends soon and count. If share price rises, more gains.

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No lar...just a case study I thought beneficial for readers. Created a portfolio in Stockscafe. Effortless to track performance. Anyway, market is close today biggrin.gif

I am out of stock market and into low risk investment bank products and rental property holdings. At this stage of my life, the objective is no more growing but preserving and stability.

QUOTE(Hansel @ May 20 2019, 04:25 PM)
Remember to update results here, bro Showtime,.... hehehe,...
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Will report back monthly....
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post May 21 2019, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 20 2019, 09:12 PM)
Thanks for the hard work.
Looking forward to your study.
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Only 15 minutes keying in with StocksCafe and that's it. After that it will show the portfolio performance everyday. Even taking in dividend earnings and forex rates as well. I am sure you are using it right ?

I always like real life study. Thanks for participating ! thumbsup.gif
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post May 21 2019, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 21 2019, 01:17 PM)
Bro,... do you have the link with which I can click-on and see the performance regularly please ? We can view and track together,...
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post Jun 19 2019, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ May 20 2019, 02:29 PM)
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I have made a portfolio of your stock in Stockscafe for monitoring purposes.

Bought the following today at market price :

Mapletree NAC 7500 x 1.33 = $9975.00
Frasers L&I 8700 x 1.15 = $10005.00
Frasers Centerpoint 4100 x 2.40 = $9840
DBS 400 x 25.89 = $10356.00
OCBC 900 x 11.15 = $10035.00
JMH 100 x 62.00 = US$6200 = $8529.37
Tencent 200 x 343.80 = HK$68760 = $12052.77

Total S$70,793.14

Comparison will be made to your inaction vs purchase today on monthly, quarterly, half-yearly and yearly interval

So we can see if it is better to wait for recession to buy, or just buy it outright today.
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1 month performance of the above portfolio for Ramjade

Original cost (forex adj) @20/5/2019 = S$70,689.15
Current value (incl div) @ 19/6/2019 = S$72,774.43

+S$2,085.28 or +2.95%
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post Jun 20 2019, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 20 2019, 08:25 AM)
Nice!!!!! Lol
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 20 2019, 11:54 AM)
Yes,... nice,... but it's just  one-month performnce only, bro,... Ramjade deserves a longer period,...  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

But, bro Show,... tq fro the tracking,... tq for the contribution.  thumbup.gif
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Yea....I like real life experiment...

We will track for a longer period whether it is better to time the bottom of market, or just buy when able....
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post Jun 20 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 20 2019, 10:19 AM)
My other purchases also made 2.7%+. Took advantage of sell-off to buy micro mechanics and riverstone.
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I will stick to your original goalpost. Of course you can have many other goalposts biggrin.gif

Let's see the performance for a longer period....
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post Jun 20 2019, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 20 2019, 01:05 PM)
Can make a comparison? Then can see which is better?  As in buy at my price or simply buy at any price?
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Aiyo bro....you still don't know what I am doing ? This comparison is already comparing wait for your target price vs buy immediately lah.....

Now the portfolio I created is "simply buy" on 20/5/2019. Ie. if you don't time the market, just buy at market price at that time.

Scenario 1 - if your target price never reach, then what is your loss compare to "simply buy" on 20/5/19

Scenario 2 - if your target price reached later, then what is your gain compare to "simply buy" on 20/5/19

For Month #1 @19/6/2019, Scenario 1 happened. You missed out gain of S$2k or miss out ~3% return because you waited.

Let's see longer term if your strategy of "waiting" works or not.....
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post Jun 20 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 20 2019, 01:40 PM)
Later see see after 12 month Liao +20

He still waiting his TP.......
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Could be. Or if market crash, then he could gain too...
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post Jun 20 2019, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 20 2019, 01:44 PM)
When TP will buy. If TP does not want to come so be it. I continue keep cash.
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In investment, there is opportunity cost for keeping cash without return

In fact, if factor in inflation, keeping cash is net negative return
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post Jun 21 2019, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 21 2019, 12:54 PM)
Bro Show,... he is NOT keeping to the pre-agreed goalpost.

If Scenario 1 hits (like for the past one-mth), he claims he has moved his money to other places for which he did not call out earlier. biggrin.gif

If Scenario 2 hits,... he will then say : see, I told you so.  biggrin.gif
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For experiment, one goalpost is enough.

Actually, the readers of this thread is more clever than ramjade thought. I think everybody can see very clearly no point to shift goalpost

Ramjade, portfolio is up only for one month....let's give it 1-2 years. Too early to tell whether it is a loss/gain yet. Treat it as an objective assessment. Be confident with your own belief. Successful investors always have Vision. In chinese it is called 眼光
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post Jun 22 2019, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 22 2019, 07:23 AM)
Showtime747 It honk you can remove the profit and loss and focus on how much o lose in terms of dividend as I don't sell. I buy and keep for dividends.
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I don’t set the criteria of investment returns haphazardly. StockCafe calculates the returns based on universal accepted methodology. The size of goalpost is accepted everywhere in the investment world. Only when everybody use the same goalpost the comparison is meaningful. I can’t make it smaller just for you to look better/worse biggrin.gif

Goalpost is there for some reasons.
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post Jun 22 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 22 2019, 10:13 AM)
I only look at profit and loss only when I sell. Other than that it don't even bother me.
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Yes, you can always differ from the common return calculation adopted widely by the world.

I wonder why the 2.7% profit you stated 2 days ago “bothered” you ? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 20 2019, 10:19 AM)
My other purchases also made 2.7%+. Took advantage of sell-off to buy micro mechanics and riverstone.
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post Jun 23 2019, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jun 23 2019, 10:01 PM)
Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves – Peter Lynch
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post Jul 19 2019, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ May 20 2019, 02:29 PM)
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I have made a portfolio of your stock in Stockscafe for monitoring purposes.

Bought the following today at market price :

Mapletree NAC 7500 x 1.33 = $9975.00
Frasers L&I 8700 x 1.15 = $10005.00
Frasers Centerpoint 4100 x 2.40 = $9840
DBS 400 x 25.89 = $10356.00
OCBC 900 x 11.15 = $10035.00
JMH 100 x 62.00 = US$6200 = $8529.37
Tencent 200 x 343.80 = HK$68760 = $12052.77

Total S$70,793.14

Comparison will be made to your inaction vs purchase today on monthly, quarterly, half-yearly and yearly interval

So we can see if it is better to wait for recession to buy, or just buy it outright today.
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2 month performance of the above portfolio for Ramjade

Original cost @20/5/2019 = S$70,793.14

1 month @ 19/6/2019 = S$72,774.43 +S$1,981.29 or +2.8%
2 month @ 19/7/2019 = S$74,903.73 +S$4,110.59 or +5.8%
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post Jul 19 2019, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 19 2019, 08:39 PM)
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Most welcome.

Excellent pick. As sharp as an eagle’s eyes. 5.8% in 2 months is very good.

Do consider changing your strategy to trading stocks. You can make more money
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post Jul 27 2019, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 26 2019, 10:51 PM)
So many replies on fess.. @@
Might as well open up 1 thread for fees.

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+1 should discuss in "which is the best broker in SGX"

Correct me if wrong....

CDP account - higher brokerage, but no dividend fees
Nominee account - lower brokerage, but got dividend fees S$5.00 (some brokers waive this S$5)

If each dividend is only $50, $5 is a lot. If each dividend is $1000, then $5 looks ok

Based on my understanding, Ramjade keep many counters. So, the dividend will be lesser and more frequent. As a result, he has to pay many times of $5 it becomes a lot of money relative to the dividend received.

If only have 2-3 counters, then amount for each dividend will be larger, so the $5 will look ok

Hence, if capital is limited, concentrate on a few counters will be better cost wise. Or, for long term, buy using CDP account, pay 1 time higher brokerage, then don't need to worry about dividend fee


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post Jul 27 2019, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 27 2019, 12:19 PM)
CDP and nominee account don't think got difference in commission.
No meh ? Lowest fee like Saxo offer only nominee account. If you want CDP, it will be from other brokers, which their fee are higher

QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 27 2019, 12:19 PM)
Ya, some brokers waive charges on dividends received which is good. If there is a charge of SGD5, then good to concentrate your holdings. For Malaysians, if use CDP, there will be problem of rights subscription and hence nominee is good in that sense...
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Ya loh....there is no perfect account. Brokers are in business and they want to make money too.

For malaysians with small capital, keep number of counters low to avoid excessive charges.

Do you use CDP or nominee ?


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 27 2019, 03:03 PM)

For me whether if pay quarterly or once a year as long as they are going to charged me any fee for holding with them, take a slice of my dividend even if charged once a year, you can say goodbye to my business.

Sorry for ranting about fees but I follow Gen-X teaching and bogle heads. Keep your fee low. Pay what's needed only.
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I think your problem is your dividend amount is too little. If your dividend amount is larger, like $1000, then pay $5 for the benefit of corporate exercise is reasonable. The brokers want to make some money and they can choose customers too...

So, keep your number of counters low. You are owning/watching too many counters. Maybe you go ask Gen-XYZ what is the optimal number of counters with capital of $10k, $20k, $50k, $100k etc compare to holding costs
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 27 2019, 04:07 PM)
Hi bro,...

Yes, generally, you are right in many things you wrote up there. If you over-diversify, then when dividend fees are charged, you will get hit. Furthermore, I am noticing an emerging pattern being corporate action charges being imposed which includes charging in assisting in Rights Issues, etc,... the waves are coming.

There were not so many different charges when I first invested in SG back in 2004/5.

It is getting expensive to invest,... and without the volume and bigger returns, then it makes no sense to invest in equities and in other exchange instruments anymore. For people intending to invest in equities for the long term, they should start to make as much money as possible from now in order to have the sufficient capital strength in future for making logical returns.
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Your investment amount is big, so your dividend received is big. You won't mind the $5 or even $50. Probably you won't even notice it was deducted..... biggrin.gif


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post Jul 27 2019, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 27 2019, 08:50 PM)
What I mean is within same broker, normally CDP or nominee same commission. I am using nominees in case got corporate actions.
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Actually hor....did it occur to you the value of corporate action in CDP account ?

First, it is quite infrequent. Some company don't even have corporate exercise.

Second, corporate exercise like rights issue, if you cannot subscribe because you don't have address in Sg, SGX will sell the rights for you and you get the market price of your rights. So, you don't really lose everything....

Maybe you should look at your portfolio and trace back 10 years how frequent is their corporate exercise. Because the dividend handling fees charge may exceed the cost of corporate exercise...

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