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Hansel
post Feb 16 2017, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:04 AM)
Gark.. THANK YOU for highlighting the RHT drop.

i sold some .83.. hahaha.

more than 8% return in a day.

Still keeping some to sell later. Better i take 8% first than wait the whole year for div.
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For this ctr, yes, this is the right thinking ! Take 8% now quickly and take back your money off the table,... However, for other good dividend ctrs, don't go in and out too much !
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post Feb 16 2017, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:17 AM)
yeap. Thanks.

What u think of SOILBUILD. I Already divested earlier.

at .645.. now yield 9%+.

is it sustainable..?
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Soilbuild REIT is categorised as an Industrial REIT. We all know Industrial REITs are really not doinf well now, but having said this, it is said that Business Parks assets owned by Industrial REITs are said to be doing okay. Hence, we need to see what is the percentage of the NPI is contributed by Business Parks. Following is the breakdown for Soilbuild REIT, as of Feb 5th., 2017 :-

12 Industrial Assets : By NPI contribution; 32% from Business Parks and 68% from Industrials, ie warehouses and factory spaces. I don't know when are the leases up for renewal, and are these leases currently of Master Lease or Multi-Tenancy arrangement ? This is very important for Industrial REITs.

Compare Soilbuild REIT with Viva Industrial Trust :-

8 Industrial Assets : again, by NPI contribution, 53.3% from Business Parks, 26.1% from Lights Industrial spaces, 12.0% from a hotel and only 8.7% from warehouse space. Rental support for the Business Parks are finishing next year, and so will the Master Leases,.. pls correct me if my memory is wrong,...

Hence, which one would you prefer ?
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post Feb 16 2017, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 16 2017, 03:59 PM)
Great analysis, adding more info.

Soilbuild have relatively large concentration to OnG properties and occupancy is coming down every Q.

Viva occupancy is improving (although at snail pace) every quarter. Also new property with 7 years triple net master lease starting in 2017. Rental guarantee from sponsor for Jackson and UE Bizhub will be expiring in 2019 and 2018 (be careful of these dates IF viva cannot fully rent out these properties).
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I think that 7-years triple net master lease does not have takers yet, since this has just been started, right ?

Jackson and UE Bizhub are of Business Park type-of-assets, hence, chances for lease renewal will always be there, provided the co's leasing these properties are doing well in their businesses. Only possible setback is the rental reversion. Don't know if there will be a positive rental reversion after this, or will the rental stay stagnant, or even reduced,....

Are these two properties currently under Master Leases, bro Gark ?
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post Feb 16 2017, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 16 2017, 07:37 PM)
The 7 years triple net master lease is the "6 Chin Bee Asset", already 100% leased out, acquisition completed end 2016.

For Jackson Square and UE Bizhub, it is not master lease, but come with rental support by sponsor (ie guaranteed 100% occupancy) until 2019 and 2018.

Currently Jackson Square is 91% occupied but McDermott (31% of lease) is vacating in April 2017, partially replaced by Foxconn at 8% of lease. Anyway rental is protected until 2019. Total 17 tenants.

UEBizhub East is currently 89% occupied. Total 31 tenants. Rental support until 2018.

Viva Business Park however still have low occupancy, and now AEI completed, we see a uptick in occupancy. 73% occupied, 84 tenants.

If Viva can continue to drive occupancy to VBP, they can raise dividends. Other properties is master leased. They claim to have positive rental revision of +5.6% in 2016, most probably due to their very cheap rental vs new AEI at VBP.

One red flag: VBP remaining land lease is only 14.5 years and Jackson Square is 12.4 years.
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Tq bro fro the detailed analysis into each property,.... thumbsup.gif

On that land lease matter, actually, even if the SG gov't does take back the land for other projects, the gov't will reimburse VIT fairly, right ? Has any SG REIT ever encountered land lease expiring today ? How do they go about this ?

There is another risk with VIT. The gearing is around 38%, if my memory serves me well,... Are their interest rates fixed ? How many percent fixed, because if not, when interest rate rises, interest expense will eat into the gross rental collected, hence, reducing distributable income to be paid out.

VIT likes to 'ask more money from unitholders too'. In the last few years since listing back in 2013, there has been three exercises. What do you think of this ?
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post Feb 17 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 17 2017, 08:12 AM)
hehe - similar feeling & thinking here too, either "too high"/low value stocks/ETFs or just bad forex impact if bought now.
I've not been sitting on so much % waiting to be deployed since 2006/2007.
Hm.. may be a good thing?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kyone @ Feb 17 2017, 08:22 AM)
That's due to fed hike(if you're talking about Dec last year). Wait for another batch of sale if you think too expensive then.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 17 2017, 08:39 AM)
Ya same here my cash % has never been so high.

I comfort myself holding cash now earning almost 0% return is better than -ve return (if market suddenly drop) biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 17 2017, 08:45 AM)
Ya...since trump and fed hike, the before and after :

KLCI 16xx --> 17xx

STI 27xx --> 31xx

DJI 17,8xx --> 20,6xx

ASX200 51xx --> 58xx

Have to wait now for major news, or some stupid trump action  biggrin.gif
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The thing is, there is also the saying - high can go higher. The indices above may keep climbing higher and higher,...and we miss the opportunities to go in, until much later, when it's much too expensive already. This then, becomes the loss of opportunity cost.

Secondly, if we are holding MYR, then we are losing out on the currency end too, because the outlook is really not good for the MYR. The MYR keeps weakening and weakening, if the time should come for us to want to invest, we will need to convert over our large hoard of MYR notes at a killing rate. If we are 'hoarding' the SGD or the AUD or even the USD, then it's a different story,...

Like I said earlier, I could be investing right into the beginning of an upswing in the Aus economic cycle,.. this looks to be shown in the ASX/S&P200 above too,... perhaps you guys should try this too,... may not be into the ASX, into the SGX and the DJIA are fine too,...
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post Feb 17 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 17 2017, 10:36 AM)
Sold off all my Mreits de.. and exchanged most of it into Sreits already..  laugh.gif
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Yeah bro,.. shld be the way to go-lar,... unless, some miracle happens and MY starts to develop like Sgp,...

What is yr average exchange rate, MYR to SGD for this round ?
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 17 2017, 11:00 AM)
Master lease building on 'Loyang Way'. Technics declared bankruptcy and went to recievership in mid 2016 and defaulted on the rental payment. In turn Soilbuild initiated court order to seize the security deposit ($11.9 million) and property with lease terminated on 9th December 2016.

The security deposit after paying on defaulted rent and other costs, is now left with $3.9 million (to be paid as ongoing rental) and is expect to last until April-May 2017.

https://www.reitsweek.com/2016/12/soilbuild...loyang-way.html
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM)
Ah Yes...thanks for the reminder.  Technics Offshore.
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YES,... forgot abt this court case too,... tq for the reminder,...

Hence, when times are bad, tenants can just default on the pre-agreed arrangements made earlier and with court cases underway, rental collection and valuation will be affected. Recent two egs that popped up in mind are :-

1) Cache Logs Trust - with the Schenker bldg..
2) Soilbuild BT - Technics bldg..
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM)
gark, Hansel Just wondering since USD is more or less stagnant (being "pegged"), wouldn't it be cheaper to get SGD by going the following route RM > USD > SGD instead of straight RM > SGD?
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YOU need the pair movements to be a bit in yr side before you can convert all the way from MYR to SGD. And yes, this way can be used,... but not immediately from MYR to USD to SGD, note to note on the same day !
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 17 2017, 11:19 AM)
More dangerous is the valuation effect..

Once a property have loss it master lease (in this case 21 years outstanding), the building valuation will come down drastically. Once the valuation comes down, the gearing ratio will be bumped up as asset price fall. If the gearing ratio hits a fund internal limits, they will have no choice but to do rights issue to raise funds.

Thus begin the death spiral (like sabana) ...
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Agreed. A recent observation is with Cache Logs Trust - when that prb happened with the Schenker bldg., the revaluation exercise pressed the asset value down so much for that bldg, which caused the gearing ratio to go up badly, up till 41%.

Gearing Ratio = Total Asset Value / Total Debt Amount.

In the SGX, the limit that REITs are allowed to gear up to is 45%, hence REIT mgrs must manage their ratio carefully.

If a gearing ratio approaches a prescribed limit, the REIT can either do a Rights Issue or Placement Units or sell-off some properties/assets. All of these actions cause dpu to go down for that REIT.

But bro, what do you mean by : master lease (in this case 21 years outstanding).

What is that 21 years thing ?
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post Feb 19 2017, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(kart @ Feb 19 2017, 10:50 AM)
Sorry for asking silly questions.

I understand that before buying SGX shares or S-REITs, I need to have a trading account, such as a DBS Vickers trading account.

For that, I want to apply for a DBS Vickers online trading account.

What I have now is a POSB saving account (with access to DBS iBanking website), and CDP account.

1. I realize that inside DBS iBanking website, I can apply for DBS Vickers online trading account. In the online application page, one question is asked, namely: "Is Singapore your sole country of tax residence?". I should press "No", right? Then, I shall upload a scanned image of my Malaysian Identification Card, crossed with the words of "for opening only DBS Vickers online trading account".

2. There are 2 types of Cash Upfront Accounts from DBS Vickers. Which one should I choose?
Cash Upfront Account (http://www.dbs.com.sg/vickers/en/accounts/types-of-account/cash-upfront-account)
Cash Account (Online) (http://www.dbs.com.sg/vickers/en/accounts/types-of-account/cash-account) 

Thank you for your information.  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 19 2017, 11:09 AM)
1. Yeah you can apply online or you can apply in person.
2. Up to you. Cash upfront (CU) have lower brokerage fees (now it's SGD10/0.12% whichever is higher w SGD5 rebate/transaction. Normall it's SGD18/0.18%  whichever is higher). CU is practically a basic account. You don't have fancy feature like all or none, limited for the day. If you are using CU, you need to put money inside before you can buy.
Cash account (CA) is cost is SGD25/0.25% per trade. I think right now, CA also have SGD5 rebate/transaction. With CA, you can buy first and pay later/plenty of features.

Both account will deposit your purchase with CDP.

For me I am only using CU and will not use CA at all. Why?
1) Cheaper brokerage fees
2) Same only (both deposit your shares into CDP)
3) I rather buy something with the money I have then buy first pay later.

However, I am planning to move to Maybank KE as their brokerage fees for CU is only SGD10/0.18% whichever is higher vs DBS V at SGD18. My trades all does not exceed the min SGD18 so Maybank would be the better choice for me in the long run. However keep in mind that Maybank KE does not deposit your share into CDP (you can request and pay a fee)
See the differences here http://fifthperson.com/nominee-vs-personal...hich-is-better/
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Good man, bro,... always the first to help out,... thumbsup.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 21 2017, 07:10 AM)
Singapore-listed Parkway Life REIT has acquired four nursing homes, and one specialised home for elderly dementia patients in Japan, for JPY4,759 million (USD42 million, or SGD59.5 million).

The properties, which are partly funded with proceeds from a divestment in 4Q 2016 as part of the REIT’s effort to recycle assets, were acquired from Marubeni Corporation, UBI Kabushiki Kaisha and UBI Capital Kabushiki Kaisha.

Three of the facilities are located in the Chiba prefecture, while the other two are located in Kudamatsu City.

The properties have been acquired at approximately 9.1% discount to valuation, and are expected to generate a net property yield of 6.9%, said the REIT.
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thumbsup.gif Are you buying, bro ??

Any opinions pls ?
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 21 2017, 10:22 AM)
Good REIT, good management, but too little yield..  dry.gif
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If the mgmt has the capability to ensure the dpu will grow slowly as the years go by, so will the Share Price grow and the increasing dpu earned, right ?

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post Feb 21 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 21 2017, 10:38 AM)
The management has done a good job, in fact the REIT has posted non stop DPU increase for many years..but still the yield is too low for my appetite.  laugh.gif
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Yeah,... I saw that too,... do you know what is the most impeccable quality that this mgmt carries, which other REITs do not ? This quality was emphasized to us during last year's AGM,... I don't know how many heard this,...

For myself, I am holding a number of lots,.. 50,.. at $2.04 each. Hence, even if I top up more, ie average up my price, I am still way below the current price today of $2.45. And my 'averaged-up price' might still yield me 5.80%,...

Of course, if one buys now and starts to enter only from this moment, ie without lower prices to average up from, then the yield might not be acceptable.

Assuming the dpu this year, FY17 is 12.20 Cts, then at the current SP of $2.45, the yield is ONLY 4.98% - a bit too low.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 21 2017, 11:36 AM)
This type of REIT you need mkt reversal to buy.    laugh.gif
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Bro,.. I have seen many times, if a REIT, or for that matter, a counter is 'good', it will still go up in a mkt reversal,...especially for a REIT. Because when mkt is bad, investors take their funds out from speculative positions and pour into safe income ctrs. So,.. no chance to buy also.

For me,.. I think I'll still buy when fundamentals improve, but will not expend all my bullets,... because after buying, I will start to reap the dividends in the next payout,..
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post Feb 21 2017, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 21 2017, 11:50 AM)
Not just a technical reversal, but a fundamental reversal. 
I have bought manya fundamentally strong shares which were sold off with the general market. 
Resultant being reaping 10 to 15% yields on costs
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Yes,.. bro,.. agreed too. So have I, like many SGX ctrs that I bought during the GFC in 2008/9, kept till today and well below ct prices, with cap gains and acceptable yields against costs too. But I must say in average, I am far below 15% yield on cost,... so high ? Wow,...
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 21 2017, 12:14 PM)
Considering the limited bullets that I m having now and despite of the background of the said counter, I would consider other Sg reits or venture into ASX market. I believe I should try somethg different for 2017. 2016 was a great year for me going into Sgx and now I wish to build a steady regular income by venturing into ASX markets. Besides that 2017 is a year where I m harvesting divvy for Sgx reits I invested.

Take small steps at a time. Don't be greed. that s an advise given by someone whom I choose to trust in. tongue.gif
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You have formed opinions and positions of your own,.. well done, bro,... thumbsup.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 07:26 PM

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Always good to have more resources to invest into. ...

For me,... I needed to use the AUD,... hence, the interest into the ASX,... yes, I heard the HKSE does not have withholding taxes too,...

And so it is with the LSE too,... but needed someone to confirm,...
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 21 2017, 07:50 PM)
There is witholding tax for LSE. 30% reducible to 15%
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OK,.. tq bro,...
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I think change everyday-lar from now on,... whether high or low also chg,...
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post Feb 26 2017, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 26 2017, 10:34 AM)
Well for Sifu Hansel, he perfer shares to be CDP because he wants to attend their AGM. For me, I don't really care about the AGM as long as the counter is performing, don't really want to look at it.

No. If buy via DBS V CU, you cannot sell through Maybank KE Trade Prefunded Account. You will have to have Maybank KE Cash account, link it to CDP then you can only sell using Cash account incurring SGD25/0.25% commission.
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 26 2017, 12:23 PM)
For nominee account, you can attend agm. Before the agm, just contact your trading rep to fill in a proxy form for you and submit. Then you can attend the agm as shareholder.

The shares held inside a nominee account is kept in a seperate benefit account and not lumped together. Unless you give permission, the broker cannot touch or misuse it. Eveb if the brokerage company bankrupt, debtors cannot touch those assets by law.
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Well,... I discovered that attending AGMs has unveiled information and matters that an investor can't get by just reading materials. This is my experience. A very good eg is something I heard when I attended the Parkway LIfe AGM last year,... sometimes, reading too much just clogs the mind up, and blurs us from some impt information to help us make decisions.

Bro Gark - well,... it's very hard to persuade Stanchart to let you us attend AGMs. My Private Bank - yes, and that also is I am holding a certain large number of shares. Don't abt the rest of the nominee accounts though,...

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