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post Feb 15 2017, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 15 2017, 04:52 PM)
gark wanna ask you..

for DBS VICKERS.. can sell share within same day or the next day?

Eg buy RHT my average i count is .75.. then now if i key sell .80 can ar?

or need wait 3 days for shares to be deposited?

I hv not sold anything in SGX within few days of purchase. not sure what is the procedure.
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Of course you can sell on the same day it is called intraday trade. Your trading limit will be returned to you immediately.
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post Feb 15 2017, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 05:02 PM)
Wow didn't know that. Thought need to wait for money to come back into account. Btw, if sell kena charge broker fees some more or broker fees is charged on buying only?
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Of course you need to pay brokerage to buy and sell. The money for the buy and sell will contra off and the balance will be credited to you within 3 days, in this case the profit.
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post Feb 15 2017, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 05:08 PM)
Ok. All this while thought broker fees applied only buying. Selling is free.  sad.gif
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Manade... Otherwise you broker cannot cari makan...
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post Feb 15 2017, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 15 2017, 10:33 PM)
Treasuries spike beyond 2.5%, potential another round of sell off coming.
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Good.. megasale in reits is coming..
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post Feb 16 2017, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:04 AM)
Gark.. THANK YOU for highlighting the RHT drop.

i sold some .83.. hahaha.

more than 8% return in a day.

Still keeping some to sell later. Better i take 8% first than wait the whole year for div.
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Congrats to you... I also sold 1/2 my holdings at 0.84 rclxms.gif

The rest will hold for divvy..

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post Feb 16 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 16 2017, 02:53 PM)
Soilbuild REIT is categorised as an Industrial REIT. We all know Industrial REITs are really not doinf well now, but having said this, it is said that Business Parks assets owned by Industrial REITs are said to be doing okay. Hence, we need to see what is the percentage of the NPI is contributed by Business Parks. Following is the breakdown for Soilbuild REIT, as of Feb 5th., 2017 :-

12 Industrial Assets : By NPI contribution; 32% from Business Parks and 68% from Industrials, ie warehouses and factory spaces. I don't know when are the leases up for renewal, and are these leases currently of Master Lease or Multi-Tenancy arrangement ? This is very important for Industrial REITs.

Compare Soilbuild REIT with Viva Industrial Trust :-

8 Industrial Assets : again, by NPI contribution, 53.3% from Business Parks, 26.1% from Lights Industrial spaces, 12.0% from a hotel and only 8.7% from warehouse space. Rental support for the Business Parks are finishing next year, and so will the Master Leases,.. pls correct me if my memory is wrong,...

Hence, which one would you prefer ?
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Great analysis, adding more info.

Soilbuild have relatively large concentration to OnG properties and occupancy is coming down every Q.

Viva occupancy is improving (although at snail pace) every quarter. Also new property with 7 years triple net master lease starting in 2017. Rental guarantee from sponsor for Jackson and UE Bizhub will be expiring in 2019 and 2018 (be careful of these dates IF viva cannot fully rent out these properties).
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post Feb 16 2017, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 16 2017, 06:48 PM)
I think that 7-years triple net master lease does not have takers yet, since this has just been started, right ?

Jackson and UE Bizhub are of Business Park type-of-assets, hence, chances for lease renewal will always be there, provided the co's leasing these properties are doing well in their businesses. Only possible setback is the rental reversion. Don't know if there will be a positive rental reversion after this, or will the rental stay stagnant, or even reduced,....

Are these two properties currently under Master Leases, bro Gark ?
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The 7 years triple net master lease is the "6 Chin Bee Asset", already 100% leased out, acquisition completed end 2016.

For Jackson Square and UE Bizhub, it is not master lease, but come with rental support by sponsor (ie guaranteed 100% occupancy) until 2019 and 2018.

Currently Jackson Square is 91% occupied but McDermott (31% of lease) is vacating in April 2017, partially replaced by Foxconn at 8% of lease. Anyway rental is protected until 2019. Total 17 tenants.

UEBizhub East is currently 89% occupied. Total 31 tenants. Rental support until 2018.

Viva Business Park however still have low occupancy, and now AEI completed, we see a uptick in occupancy. 73% occupied, 84 tenants.

If Viva can continue to drive occupancy to VBP, they can raise dividends. Other properties is master leased. They claim to have positive rental revision of +5.6% in 2016, most probably due to their very cheap rental vs new AEI at VBP.

One red flag: VBP remaining land lease is only 14.5 years and Jackson Square is 12.4 years.

This post has been edited by gark: Feb 16 2017, 07:40 PM
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post Feb 16 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 16 2017, 08:29 PM)
Tq bro fro the detailed analysis into each property,.... :thumbsup:

On that land lease matter, actually, even if the SG gov't does take back the land for other projects, the gov't will reimburse VIT fairly, right ? Has any SG REIT ever encountered land lease expiring today ? How do they go about this ?

There is another risk with VIT. The gearing is around 38%, if my memory serves me well,... Are their interest rates fixed ? How many percent fixed, because if not, when interest rate rises, interest expense will eat into the gross rental collected, hence, reducing distributable income to be paid out.

VIT likes to 'ask more money from unitholders too'. In the last few years since listing back in 2013, there has been three exercises. What do you think of this ?
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Yes gearing is rather high, but should be still manageable. They just restructured the 2017 loan to 2020.

For land lease expiry, every reit will face this problem eventually. They can renew by paying a land premium or hand back the land to gov.

For asking money, i am ok with it if the money is use for accreditive assets, ie. Adds to dps.
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post Feb 16 2017, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 16 2017, 08:56 PM)
That's is why I avoid exotic s-reit. Stick with known ones. Less headache.

That's why I am limiting myself to just 2 reit per category. Except manulife us reit + maybe mapletree greater china.
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If you want higher divvy, you got to take some risk, but take a calculated risk by doing your homework.
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post Feb 17 2017, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 17 2017, 06:38 AM)
Is it only me ? There is no counters which attract me to buy now because of the high price compare to last year. Almost everything looks so expensive now compare to just a few months ago. And the risk of a sudden jolt or shake up looks like coming soon. Just my feelings...

Last year was like a big sale promotion on hindsight  biggrin.gif
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Yes, SReits is relative expensive now, but still way much better than the bonkers anti-gravity MReits.. hmm.gif
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post Feb 17 2017, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(kyone @ Feb 16 2017, 10:42 PM)
Soilbuid reits ar... a few business parks in Jurong industrial area super low occupancy, I think can be as low as <30%. Hence never in my watchlist.
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Not that bad lar.. tongue.gif The way you say it macam wan bankrupt only. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Those jurong buildings is actually about 86%-90% occupied.
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post Feb 17 2017, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 09:53 AM)
Soilbuildreit

http://soilbuildreit.listedcompany.com/new...LRJ5M9N5P.1.pdf

Trailing 4 qtrs. of DPU

1.557+1.565+1.533+1.57 = 6.222

It seems to be bottoming up.

Occupancy is at low of 89% and there is rental reversion risk.

At price of 64.5, That results in 9.6% yield.

I think I can live with that yield. I bot some at 63.5 recently.
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You need to be careful.. if the technics building security deposit has fully run out before they secure a new tenant. That will be a big chunk of drop.

Also solaris master lease will be expiring in 2018. I agree that if the DPU can stabilise, then can look more into it.

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post Feb 17 2017, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 10:32 AM)
Maybe it's time to take some profits off this rise? 

MReits as in Msian or Mortgage reits?    biggrin.gif
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Sold off all my Mreits de.. and exchanged most of it into Sreits already.. laugh.gif
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 10:37 AM)
Bro gark,

Which technics building are you referring to?  When is the tenancy running out?
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Master lease building on 'Loyang Way'. Technics declared bankruptcy and went to recievership in mid 2016 and defaulted on the rental payment. In turn Soilbuild initiated court order to seize the security deposit ($11.9 million) and property with lease terminated on 9th December 2016.

The security deposit after paying on defaulted rent and other costs, is now left with $3.9 million (to be paid as ongoing rental) and is expect to last until April-May 2017.

https://www.reitsweek.com/2016/12/soilbuild...loyang-way.html

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post Feb 17 2017, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 10:55 AM)
Yeah bro,.. shld be the way to go-lar,... unless, some miracle happens and MY starts to develop like Sgp,...

What is yr average exchange rate, MYR to SGD for this round ?
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Average is about 2.9+ to 3.0+ from the recent transfer. laugh.gif
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM)
Ah Yes...thanks for the reminder.  Technics Offshore.
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Soilbuild has an unusually large concentration of OnG companies (all master leased) ... which is higher risks at current environment...

KTL Offshore
BK Marine
Tellus Marine

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post Feb 17 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 11:04 AM)
gark, Hansel Just wondering since USD is more or less stagnant (being "pegged"), wouldn't it be cheaper to get SGD by going the following route RM > USD > SGD instead of straight RM > SGD?
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Everytime you change , you incur about 0.5% -1% exchange fees... so it is not necessary better on the longer route.
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 11:14 AM)
YES,... forgot abt this court case too,... tq for the reminder,...

Hence, when times are bad, tenants can just default on the pre-agreed arrangements made earlier and with court cases underway, rental collection and valuation will be affected. Recent two egs that popped up in mind are :-

1) Cache Logs Trust - with the Schenker bldg..
2) Soilbuild BT - Technics bldg..
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More dangerous is the valuation effect..

Once a property have loss it master lease (in this case 21 years outstanding), the building valuation will come down drastically. Once the valuation comes down, the gearing ratio will be bumped up as asset price fall. If the gearing ratio hits a fund internal limits, they will have no choice but to do rights issue to raise funds.

Thus begin the death spiral (like sabana) ...
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 11:33 AM)
Thanks for the info about the exchange rate. What happen if a REIT have rights issue? As in investor, if we don't do don't participate in the right issue/don't pump in more money/don't sell (just do nothing), what will happen to our stocks? Will we lose some of it? I am not exactly sure about this right stuff. Read about it but need more explanation.

Hansel I know this only works if USD is say 1USD = RM5 and malaysia is "pegging it" to RM4.45.
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There are many opinions on rights issue, some people avoid it at all cost, some are ok with it and some chase after rights issue. It depends on how the person approach investing.

Negative view : Some people are really anti-rights issue, and will dump the stock immediately after announcement. These people view that the reit is trying to be greedy and take back all the dividend given previously. They approach reit investing in a short term profits.

Neutral view : Some are ok with rights issue, provided the rights issue is done with a net increase in DPS, they will subscribe for the rights issue as a chance to increase their holding while maintaining overall DPS. They approach reit investing at a medium-long term profits.

Positive view: Some really like rights issue, as an arbitrage opportunity to grab low cost REIT shares either to keep for long term or sell later. They will typically subscribe for excess shares and also buy tradeable rights on the market to convert. The more rights you buy in relative to your holdings in theory will lower your average cost but you need to foot up a lot of money.

For me I approach it neutral, but I know some successful REIT investor goes with the positive view. If you do not subscribe to rights, when issued, you get diluted and can actually lose overall DPS, but you can make some money from selling the rights.

All in all, in depends on the rights price, discount and the use of the money (relative to DPS). Rights management is very important to REITs investing.

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post Feb 17 2017, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 11:48 AM)
How to do you go about the bolded part? They send you some forms to fill up saying you agreed to pump xxx amount into the stock?

Also, what if you do anything? Don't sell, dont subscibe for excess shares? What happen?

I understand that when a REIT issue rights, the price will tank. My way of thinking, don't do anything (don't get involve with the right issue) buy say buy more as it the price have dropped. Is this scenario possible?
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If you decide to subscribe for the rights, you can fill up the amount of excess rights you wish to subscribe in the form. However payment for all rights (and excess) have to be done first, and excess money will be returned later. Later the company will allocate the excess rights to any investor who request it, not necessary you will get your full request but usually will get some depending on how many unsubscribe rights available.

If you don't sell, don't subscribe .. you get diluted... each of your share will become less value and get less DPS.

Buy more during rights is also possible.. depending on the price vs the rights price vs theoretical ex-right price. All these info you can get from the prospectus.

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