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post Feb 17 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 11:49 AM)
Agreed. A recent observation is with Cache Logs Trust - when that prb happened with the Schenker bldg., the revaluation exercise pressed the asset value down so much for that bldg, which caused the gearing ratio to go up badly, up till 41%.

Gearing Ratio = Total Asset Value / Total Debt Amount.

In the SGX, the limit that REITs are allowed to gear up to is 45%, hence REIT mgrs must manage their ratio carefully.

If a gearing ratio approaches a prescribed limit, the REIT can either do a Rights Issue or Placement Units or sell-off some properties/assets. All of these actions cause dpu to go down for that REIT.

But bro, what do you mean by : master lease (in this case 21 years outstanding).

What is that 21 years thing ?
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The technics building is supposed to be master leased for 15 years (at time of buying the property), when they default it has still 13 years of master lease left. With such long master lease period usually the valuation of the building is very high (when purchased), now the drop will be very very drastic. Also the land lease tenure is left with 21 years only.

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post Feb 17 2017, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 12:17 PM)
If you sell your right, does this mean you are selling some of your shares?
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No, but you are selling your 'option' to subscribe more shares at lower price.

Here is a link to learn more rights issue context in SG

https://www.martinlee.sg/understanding-rights-issues/

https://www.martinlee.sg/rights-and-their-q...e-implications/

No one says direct stock investing is easy.. tongue.gif

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post Feb 17 2017, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 17 2017, 02:23 PM)
I m not residing in Sg and without Sg residential address. Can I still subscribe to share rights ?
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Yes, as long as you can fill in the form, mail it and transfer money (cashier's order) to the registra account.

Better to use nominee account.

If you cannot subscribe the rights, there is a way to more or less manually subscribe the rights but you pay a bit extra (in terms of arbitrage and trading cost).

1. Get your rights share
2. Sell your rights share near to the (theoretical ex right price - rights price)
3. Use money to buy new shares from market

Example, $1 share, 1:1 rights issue at $0.8, you have 1000 shares. Theoretical ex right will be $0.90

You get 1000 units of rights shares, sell it at $0.1, and then buy 1000 units at market at $0.9. Your cost will be ($0.9-$0.1=$0.8, same as right price)

More or less the same as subscribing to the rights, in theory at least. tongue.gif

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post Feb 17 2017, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 17 2017, 02:41 PM)
i think u using STD CHART nominee can...

I using DBS direct ac.. cannot subscribe.
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I think can be done.. but a bit more complicated. You can use cashier's check or ATM to pay.

DBS will auto sell off the rights shares only if the rights is going to expire. (7 days)
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post Feb 17 2017, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 04:31 PM)
How to fill up the form if DBS auto sell my rights?
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If sold cannot fill in the form.. this one maybe you need to check with DBS.

IMHO it is better to use a nominee account.

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post Feb 17 2017, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 17 2017, 04:31 PM)
Bit troublesome.if no action initiated, it will be auto sell and credited to my acc ? I dont odd lots too.
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Depend on your broker.. some auto sell, some wont.
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post Feb 17 2017, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 04:50 PM)
Will do. Email them and see their answer. :biggrin.gif
Btw, what broker do you use?
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Both nominee less hassle, DBSV and MKE (prefunded)

Now mostly just trade with MKE

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post Feb 17 2017, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 17 2017, 05:30 PM)
can only be done if hv SINGAPORE ADDRESS.

Did not know about the 7 days thing.. Normally i do nothing.. then they send me notice. Rights sold off...
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Rights trading period is always 7 days only...

why not use nominee account? Easier.. can just text remiser to subscribe...
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post Feb 19 2017, 12:47 PM

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FYI, I open my MKE at westgate mall very fast and open on weekends. My assigned broker is leslie toh, very responsive, he also got account at lowyat. wink.gif
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post Feb 19 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 19 2017, 12:52 PM)
Just want to asked, if you contact your broker for advise, need to pay money? Cause I think DBS did assign me one broker but I never contact that fellow at all (scared kena charged)
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Advice, suggestion, tips, report and question all free. Only if you ask them to buy and sell on your behalf they charge brokerage (higher than online rate)

But they are also cari makan, so please dont abuse. wink.gif

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post Feb 20 2017, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 10:01 AM)
Don't think so. Asking them do I need a Maybank account or a Maybank account is not needed (send the email yesterday). No reply yet. If by mail I think need to have everything verify by commission of oath (as in the case of Philip). Not sure if they let use do my mail or not. I am heading down to SG again in March to deposit money  biggrin.gif

https://eforms.maybank-ke.com.sg/page-2.html
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No need maybank account, MKE can link directly to your DBS account.

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post Feb 20 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 10:18 AM)
Even a prefunded account? I am not looking for CA but a prefunded account.
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Yes, it will link to your DBS account for ESP (Electronic payment for shares)
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 21 2017, 09:42 AM)
maybank kim eng..
Dividend receive bank into where?
our own bank ac or they hold for us?
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Divvy is banked back to trust if nominee, if CDS they bank to bank account.
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 21 2017, 10:12 AM)
thumbsup.gif Are you buying, bro ??

Any opinions pls ?
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Good REIT, good management, but too little yield.. dry.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 21 2017, 10:32 AM)
If the mgmt has the capability to ensure the dpu will grow slowly as the years go by, so will the Share Price grow and the increasing dpu earned, right ?
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The management has done a good job, in fact the REIT has posted non stop DPU increase for many years..but still the yield is too low for my appetite. laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 21 2017, 11:36 AM)
This type of REIT you need mkt reversal to buy.    laugh.gif
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Yes, if this reit can reach >5.8% can consider buying.. otherwise I will stick to First Reit...

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post Feb 21 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 21 2017, 01:52 PM)
Still too low for me. Good thing about SREITs is that there are no withholding taxes!  biggrin.gif
Otherwise the yields are not very compelling
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Ok lah, this one has very long wale.. so in bad times you will still receive steady dividends. Less risk compared to other higher yielding reits.
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post Feb 21 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2017, 02:01 PM)
gark HK Reits also no withholding tax right?
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HKSE = No witholding tax.

SGX = No witholding tax until 2020 for REITs unless MAS extend the regulation period

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post Feb 21 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 21 2017, 02:09 PM)
Did not even realise this!  sad.gif
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Until March 2020 to be precise..

http://sbr.com.sg/commercial-property/news...ntil-march-2020
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post Feb 21 2017, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2017, 02:11 PM)
Damn. And then later they charge us for tax sad.gif
Looks like HKSE is the better choice. But to fly to HK to open account.. sad.gif  console.gif
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MKE can buy direct from HKSE, quite competitive rates too. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

I am still surveying HKSE dividend investing... looking for targets. laugh.gif

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