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post Sep 21 2012, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Sep 21 2012, 02:28 PM)
Carrick-Cleverley will be solid for defending, but less creative coming forward. creativity spark can be provide by Kagawa and Nani.
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Really? Cleverley doesn't seem great in defending. In fact, he seems to get lost up in attack quite a bit because he likes to play short passes and move around a lot more than Scholes. Hence he'll usually be found closer to the strikers than defence when a move breaks down.


Added on September 21, 2012, 3:07 pm
QUOTE(dlct87 @ Sep 21 2012, 02:35 PM)
and as for GK, i do hope that DDG will be the undisputed no.1 for us from now on, only us is "rotating" that position and it sucks for both GK actually
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Disagree. I think Lindegaard is a really good GK. He's a lot more confident in dealing with crosses. No one doing something doesn't mean it's not good. Not many teams played like Barca last time, but look at how successful they are now. I don't think it sucks for both GKs. I think they'd rather play half the games than none of the games.

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post Sep 21 2012, 03:18 PM

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actually Lindegaard is not much better than ddg when it comes to high balls
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post Sep 21 2012, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Sep 21 2012, 03:18 PM)
actually Lindegaard is not much better than ddg when it comes to high balls
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Well, in terms of handling he may not be much better, but in terms of aggressiveness and willingness to put body on the line, i don't think DDG can beat AL (or any other keeper) on that.
If you look at the second goal scored by fulham, DDG only threw a punch while is body is moving AWAY from the ball and away from Vidic and whoever the fulham player was... Basics: move towards the ball... Maybe he was fearful of getting injured or maybe just afraid of all the big sized players in BPL, i don't know...

Not saying that DDG is a bad keeper, but i think he has gotta be willing to put his body on the line to over come that "fear"...
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post Sep 21 2012, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Sep 21 2012, 03:48 PM)
Well, in terms of handling he may not be much better, but in terms of aggressiveness and willingness to put body on the line, i don't think DDG can beat AL (or any other keeper) on that.
If you look at the second goal scored by fulham, DDG only threw a punch while is body is moving AWAY from the ball and away from Vidic and whoever the fulham player was... Basics: move towards the ball... Maybe he was fearful of getting injured or maybe just afraid of all the big sized players in BPL, i don't know...

Not saying that DDG is a bad keeper, but i think he has gotta be willing to put his body on the line to over come that "fear"...
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its hard for him to adjust so fast when he wasn't brought up that way during his youth day (the Spanish keepers are all like that tbh)

other than that though, he's already better than Lindegaard in other area: positioning, shot stopping, reflex, distribution

maybe one other area that he can improve is communication and be more vocal on the field
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post Sep 21 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Sep 21 2012, 04:11 PM)
its hard for him to adjust so fast when he wasn't brought up that way during his youth day (the Spanish keepers are all like that tbh)

other than that though, he's already better than Lindegaard in other area: positioning, shot stopping, reflex, distribution

maybe one other area that he can improve is communication and be more vocal on the field
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i beg to differ... canizares, valdes and iker all has no problems with going head in for crosses... if he wants to be considered a top keeper, he has to be an all rounder... a specific weakness will only make it even more obvious how the opponent can exploit that... he really did well for the two shots vs galatasaray but he really has to address his aerial weakness...
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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Sep 21 2012, 04:24 PM)
i beg to differ... canizares, valdes and iker all has no problems with going head in for crosses... if he wants to be considered a top keeper, he has to be an all rounder... a specific weakness will only make it even more obvious how the opponent can exploit that... he really did well for the two shots vs galatasaray but he really has to address his aerial weakness...
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going head in doesn't mean that they're good when dealing with crosses

thing is, gk is a unique position where the more you play the more experience you gain when you deal with real match situation time and time again, you can practice all day long, but its no match for continuous 90mins exposure where opponents throwing everything at you

which is why rotating GK isn't a good idea at all
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post Sep 21 2012, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Sep 21 2012, 04:24 PM)
i beg to differ... canizares, valdes and iker all has no problems with going head in for crosses... if he wants to be considered a top keeper, he has to be an all rounder... a specific weakness will only make it even more obvious how the opponent can exploit that... he really did well for the two shots vs galatasaray but he really has to address his aerial weakness...
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That's the prob. They already have tonnes of experiences, in CL and other places unlike De Gea that started to gain more attention in the recent years. Do take note of the age difference as well.

You can't actually compare the experience that Iker and the others have with De Gea right? It's like comparing players like Scholes, Xavi to the younger players.
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post Sep 21 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Sep 21 2012, 04:41 PM)
going head in doesn't mean that they're good when dealing with crosses

thing is, gk is a unique position where the more you play the more experience you gain when you deal with real match situation time and time again, you can practice all day long, but its no match for continuous 90mins exposure where opponents throwing everything at you

which is why rotating GK isn't a good idea at all
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Yes it doesn't mean that you will be good when dealing with crosses if you go head in... but bravery is the first thing that you need first and foremost when dealing with crosses... unless you have superbly long hands... even if you could read the path of the cross, there would bound be a moment where your lang hand could only reach if you are in the "crowd"...
Yes, you need experience, but if you don't even have the bravery to dive head first, there isn't much else to experience for stopping a cross...

QUOTE(digitalz @ Sep 21 2012, 04:42 PM)
That's the prob. They already have tonnes of experiences, in CL and other places unlike De Gea that started to gain more attention in the recent years. Do take note of the age difference as well.

You can't actually compare the experience that Iker and the others have with De Gea right? It's like comparing players like Scholes, Xavi to the younger players.
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certainly am aware of their age and experience... i am saying if ddg wants to be a top class keeper, he has to realize this point... I am like saying if Cleverly wants to be like Scholes, he should not just play short passes only... put in some hollywood passes too... else, with him on the ball, the way is to surround his near options and he is dead... you get where i am headed?
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ddg has been in a position where he doesnt come out for the ball when he should have, as well as coming out for the ball but not getting to it...so he has to find the right balance, having good decision making on when and where to do that...definitely not a bravery issue for me, more like maturity and that can come in age and match experiences

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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Sep 21 2012, 05:07 PM)
Yes it doesn't mean that you will be good when dealing with crosses if you go head in... but bravery is the first thing that you need first and foremost when dealing with crosses... unless you have superbly long hands... even if you could read the path of the cross, there would bound be a moment where your lang hand could only reach if you are in the "crowd"...
Yes, you need experience, but if you don't even have the bravery to dive head first, there isn't much else to experience for stopping a cross...
certainly am aware of their age and experience... i am saying if ddg wants to be a top class keeper, he has to realize this point... I am like saying if Cleverly wants to be like Scholes, he should not just play short passes only... put in some hollywood passes too... else, with him on the ball, the way is to surround his near options and he is dead... you get where i am headed?
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like sgsuser said, he did get into the thick of it to deal with crosses, but sometimes he didnt catch it, so he chose to stay on his line, and sometimes it back fired as well

balance point is the key, and how to find this, only by playing as much as possible
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The worst player against galatasaray was RVP. Not nani. Carrick had a great game, but some of u just can't accept criticism. When he performs badly, u guys were silent. When he performs godly, then different story tongue.gif

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QUOTE(antoniov @ Sep 21 2012, 05:53 PM)
The worst player against galatasaray was RVP. Not nani. Carrick had a great game, but some of u just can't accept criticism. When he performs badly, u guys were silent. When he performs godly, then different story  tongue.gif
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agree..

got anybody mentioned him as worst player? he set up like 5 great chances in the 2nd half alone.. if our strikers could do better and scored at least 2 of them i don't think this should be mentioned at all
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I think DDG needs to improve physically, not technically. Technically, he's great but when it comes to physical, there are many consequences (mentally) if you lack in it. There is reason why women so scared of being fat tongue.gif

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can't wait for this sunday. usually I always felt nervous and want the game out as soon as possible.

with proper rest and the team must be on fire to win at Anfield. still gutted when we lose at Anfield for FA cup. we did well enough imo

How can RVP labelled as the worst performance? he's isolated. Nani did excellent apart from penalty. frustrating at times as usual but he did his job by creating more chances.

Valencia is well, a beast. Evra did ok with his tracking full back. As for DDG, he is young and I don't think any risk for him or United to rotate him in between games with Lindegaard.

Maybe this season, SAF wants to gamble on Lindegaard for the league.

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I think a good keeper is those keepers that shouts at his players alot. Like how schemeichel does it laugh.gif
Ddg shouted at his defence that night against gala. Does not look intimidating but its a good start laugh.gif


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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Sep 21 2012, 06:38 PM)
can't wait for this sunday. usually I always felt nervous and want the game out as soon as possible.

with proper rest and the team must be on fire to win at Anfield. still gutted when we lose at Anfield for FA cup. we did well enough imo

How can RVP labelled as the worst performance? he's isolated. Nani did excellent apart from penalty. frustrating at times as usual but he did his job by creating more chances.

Valencia is well, a beast. Evra did ok with his tracking full back. As for DDG, he is young and I don't think any risk for him or United to rotate him in between games with Lindegaard.

Maybe this season, SAF wants to gamble on Lindegaard for the league.

There is only one Darren Fletcher, Darreeennn Fletcherr
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Feel soothing after read this. So full of righteousness laugh.gif

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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Sep 21 2012, 05:20 PM)
ddg has been in a position where he doesnt come out for the ball when he should have, as well as coming out for the ball but not getting to it...so he has to find the right balance, having good decision making on when and where to do that...definitely not a bravery issue for me, more like maturity and that can come in age and match experiences
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+1

bear in mind that most goalkeeper make their break thru not at a very young age. For that I envy city for having someone like Joe Hart. Well, he is 25 btw. Our precious DDG is only 21. biggrin.gif


Added on September 21, 2012, 7:23 pmHope the game at anfield will go well.

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Sir Alex rules out Rooney

Sir Alex Ferguson has no fresh injury concerns ahead of Sunday’s meeting with Liverpool, confirming that everybody who featured against Galatasaray is fit for the trip to Anfield.

Speaking at his weekly press conference at Carrington, the boss also gave an update on the fitness of Wayne Rooney and Ashley Young, who are both unavailable this weekend due to a gashed thigh and bruised cartilage respectively.

“We have everyone available who was available last Wednesday,” Sir Alex told ManUtd.com. “I know there were reports in the paper about Rooney being possible, but that is not the case. He's not far away, I think he may be fine for next week.

“He's doing a lot of great training and has been working hard. It's just a matter of getting him into the full football training side of things, which he has done part of.

“Ashley Young has got a bruised cartilage - I think it's going to take two or three weeks more. We're just taking our time with that one. You can easily play with it and train but we're not going down that road, we want to make sure he's okay.

“We get a lot of experiences these days of these injuries reoccurring when they come back too quickly and we don't want that with the players - we want to give them a full recovery. He should be okay with two or three weeks’ time.”

When quizzed on the fitness of Darren Fletcher, who made a brief cameo against Galatasaray on Wednesday, Sir Alex outlined his plan to field the Scottish midfielder against Newcastle in the Capital One Cup, before hinting at a possible role against Spurs in the following Premier League fixture.

“He made a start on Wednesday which was great,” the boss reflected. “He won't start on Sunday but he'll certainly play against Newcastle. I think that's a perfect game for him to start back. Then we have the game against Tottenham next Saturday and he possibly could be involved in that, but it depends how he does on Wednesday.

“It'll be his first full 90 minutes after 10 months out so it'll be a big night for him. He's handling the conditions at the moment and he looks fine as we saw the other night. It's a matter of hoping the condition stays dormant. He's handling his diet well and doing all the right things so hopefully he gets that break he needs.”


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QUOTE(ayonan @ Sep 21 2012, 07:22 PM)
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bear in mind that  most goalkeeper make their break thru not at a very young age. For that I envy city for having someone like Joe Hart. Well, he is 25 btw. Our precious DDG is only 21.  biggrin.gif


Added on September 21, 2012, 7:23 pmHope the game at anfield will go well.
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i don't envy them of having Hart after what i saw in their UCL game vs Madrid sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Hello..can somebody tell me where can i buy Manchester United's watches in Malaysia??
i am interesting in this product

http://store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/prod...aspx?pid=108378

wonder where can i found it...TQ for reply..

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QUOTE(yong88 @ Sep 21 2012, 10:41 PM)
Hello..can somebody tell me where can i buy Manchester United's watches in Malaysia??
i am interesting in this product

http://store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/prod...aspx?pid=108378

wonder where can i found it...TQ for reply..

Reds go marching ON!!!
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No official united store in malaysia ler i think. Buy online lo but what brand of watch is that? So expensive wan laugh.gif. Like tipu budak punya watch saja.

I still remember last time one utama got united store. That time so young no money buy or to support them. End up chap lap sob now wan buy also cannot

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