Is Ancient Aliens real??
After watching much of the ancient aliens documentary, it's kinda mind boggling.
They claim that the olden times history was somehow shape by aliens

Season 1 Episode 1


Season 2 Episode 1


Season 3 Episode 1


Season 4 Episode 1


This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Sep 6 2012, 01:26 AM

Ancient Aliens Season 4 Episode 6 The Mystery of Puma Punku


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Sep 6 2012, 01:43 AM

reserve

sorry TS I couldnt resist,


On topic however, I think the idea of alien intervention with human development is unfounded. Why? The very notion of that is a mockery to the progress we as human have come so far.

I remember watching a documentary about pyramids and atlantis(while provide when I found the name). In that documentary, they show different kind of pyramids where some were successful while some were abandoned half way. These pyramids show the Egyptians slowly build these pyramids one at a time while learning from their mistakes and experiment new ideas of building pyramids. By taking baby steps, they were finally successful building pyramids such as those at Giza. Why must it be aliens? Are humans are so devoid of creative process?

Noting that alien means foreign.
Why not? 'Aliens' did intervene in Americas (for better or worse) especially the Red Indians (way of life & erode their culture) especially by the Europeans who crossed the Atlantic with the aid of Chinese navigational aids.
Why is it far fetch not to consider Aliens from outer space (read ocean) 'interventions'?

Likewise in our space exploration there might be a remote possibility that we will 'influence' the civilization of other planets just like the Early Europeans did in the Americas.

Let's dispel the notion that aliens or foreigners do not 'intervene ' or 'colonize' (for better or worse). That Happened!

The crux of the matter is whether you believe there are Aliens in outer space?
Do you believe in God? In Angels?

Believing that aliens exist is one thing. Believing that alien had a hand in our technology process is a different thing all together.

There has been no concrete proof to suggest that aliens interfered with our civilization. With no such proof, it is just pseudo-history. However, there is existing proof of human achieving similar feats by constant experimenting, learning mistakes and improvements of older designs and most importantly creative thought and thinking being penned in literature.

I am sorry but there are more solid proof that humans achieving these progress without some alien help.

do u mind provide some link or information about your statement? im interested to know more

Aliens yes. ETs no.

I would suggest that in this thread, we stop using the word "aliens" when we mean "ETs".

alien is just a another life form in the universe...
i think human technology is still thousand years away for travelling beyond solar system....
during these gap, if we encounter any alien on earth it is definitely a far more advanced alien community...
and history taught us that the 'founder' is always hostile...
they may be civilized but their conquest is always with own agenda...
i just hope that one day human will discover alien in some other planet and not vice versa....

The fastest way is to show there's a constant attempt in developing and improving a technology. I am going to show some pyramid with my limited knowledge but bear with me

1. Pyramid of Djoser one of the oldest large size monument found. There were earlier smaller but similar monuments before. Interestingly there is a monument that may have preceded it before; Mastabet el-Fara'un



2. Bent Pyramid- seen as an attempt to build a smooth-side pyramid that went wrong. It has been suggested that due to the steepness of the original angle of inclination the structure may have begun to show signs of instability during construction, forcing the builders to adopt a shallower angle to avert the structure's collapse



3. Red Pyramid- this was build around the same time with Bent Pyramid and Meidum with a close proximity. This pyramid have been largely successful, learning lessons from the earlier 2 pyramids mentioned.



4. Giza- the most successful and largest of all pyramid, shows the rewards of long time experimenting and study




There are actually many more examples. That's why while I think they maybe Alien in this universe, I refute the notion that Alien have anything to do with human civilization progress. Why can't human achieve great things without the help of Aliens?

ps- Aliens is understood as Extra-Terrestrial.

This post has been edited by nipaa1412: Sep 6 2012, 10:32 AM

Ancient Pyramind is the proof of alien interver in earth? Why? bcos ancient ppl not smart enough to build the pyramid?

Unexplainable; how they gonna cut the rock, how they measure the size, How the move the rock to up site?

With the help of Alien, all can be achieved.

Oh, like that lah, so must be alien help them to build lo.
How to help them? Pinjam a laser gun to cut the rock, helicopter to hange the rock up, robot to move the rock?

Or just send the idea of pyramid architect to the ppl mind, so they build by their own?

Or once upon time, alien did live in earth as a place for resort?



Who is alien? Where it come from? how it look like? Wat make u believing in aliens???

Perhap, WE R THE ALIEN.

ancient humans are super intelligent and they are experts of mathematics and masters of Pythagoras.
they also learn astronomy by themselves.
how the hell they know, i have no idea...

Steve Job time travelled back in time(befire he died) and gave them an Ipad. If you dig hard enough, you'll find an Ipad under the Tomb.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 6 2012, 02:18 PM

When our ancestors saw Capt Kirk , Chekov, Uhura ,Scotty, these bpeople must be angels.. Also our ancestor were treated by witch doctors. Whem Chief Medical Officer Dr Bones treated our ancestors, they would consider Dr Bones as God

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Added on September 6, 2012, 2:27 pmSince you brought up Giza pyramids. Can you explains how on earth did the 3 pyramids were an exact reproduction of the 3 stars in the Orion constellation??? Please don;t give me it was a fluke




This post has been edited by segamatboy: Sep 6 2012, 02:27 PM

no i think it was Archibald Witwicky's grandparents that gave all these answers to the ancient people. hence archibald was able to discover the cube in the antarctic by accident.

is it true that aliens messed up our DNA? haha watched it in discovery channel

i have read something like this in New Scientist. Our DNA consists of introns and exons. exons contain all the information needed to code for all our proteins, whereas introns are just jumbled up sequences which code for nothing, in other words they are useless. the question is why are they there. so one theory is aliens inserted these sequences as some sort of secret message or something.

I am not very knowledgeable about the matter but I looked up in wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_correlation_theory

Under criticism, I found some interesting to relate



But that does not matter. Why? Firstly this does not prove that Aliens had a hand in teaching Egyptians how and where to build pyramids. Secondly even if the Egyptians did build with that purpose in mind, does not this prove humans of the past were equally as knowledgeable and capable of achieving great feats without some help from Aliens of sorts?

That is what I'm arguing about.


edit: grammar

This post has been edited by nipaa1412: Sep 6 2012, 03:08 PM

which means we are aliens too

In pyramid case, is that truely of the HELP Of ALIEN? or GOD?

In present scientific, they call it Alien. In ancient mythology, They Call it as GOD.


So, i read some comment that Jawi wording r some kind of alien symbo. If this true, then the alien must be send the inform to us by using the wave to our brain.

This Inform WE CALL IT DREAM, & from DREAM, we develope it to IDEALS.

Creature A created another creature, B. The creature B Call Creature A a GOD!! When Creature B created another type of creature, the creature call B as GOD & so on.

Question???? WHO CREATED CREATURE A???

Perhap CREATURE Z?

The Power of Curiosity & Believing will lead u moving forward, forward your answer.

BTW, an answer may give rise to another Question & SO oN.

i dont know why but i somehow have some feeling that this is all going to be related to the god anytime soon

Why? Are they afraid that alien is our creator like some hybrid experiment? Since human can create liger & tiglon, not impossible that we too are created the same way. So the possibility is there except its a bit difficult to swallow such a fact if found to be true and they were preaching alien almighty all along.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 6 2012, 04:32 PM

i wonder how would they react to that...

The impression of end of the world theories are all translated as physical destruction which is rather direct, if god / creator come back to Earth in the form of a more advanced being, it too is end of the world since many societies are build on religion and why would they come back to shock us? To end dispute war and unite human or to conquer?

This led to the movie "the day the earth stood still".

I read from a book that piramid couldnt be done by using the technology back in those days. It mention about the top sharp angle which is exactly 90 degree which couldnt be accurately be obtained using technology based in those days.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 7:57 pmSomething imposible is just the angle which is 90 degree.

Sometimes come to think of i dont think we are the only planet that have life living on it. The universe is so big and there might be creature living in other planet.

This post has been edited by lunarwolf: Sep 6 2012, 07:57 PM

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If so, why the alien left and why they came in the first place?

- They try to colonize Earth enslaving human but we become more intelligent and rebelled.

- They made human here then off to another planet but leave traces that indicate they will be back.

Of course we wouldnt know what they are thinking... maybe is like something we left a footprint of the moon but we are not actually staying on the moon?
Why we go to moon in the first place?

This post has been edited by lunarwolf: Sep 6 2012, 10:46 PM

Going to a planet and cast influence to the living things is not the same as leaving foot print on a dead planet, if we know there are Martians and much primitive than us, why do you think we make contact? Invasion for resources just like Columbus, that is why after ET, all other alien movies are hostile.

If the Moon are found to have usable resources, human already build colony there and if alien were chased out is because something make them abandon this planet but with high precision stone craft and celestial like evidence on top of end of the world prophecies is spooky. I read about phenomenon that lead to a changes rather than destruction.

This person was studied by CIA, he is famous in the Western society.
[url=http://site.uri-geller.com/11_11[/url]

The subject is number, I know its like nonsense and this person dedicated his entire life doing the research since 1968.
http://www.greatdreams.com/radio/ryan/1111/ryan1111.htm

Why am I interested in this subject? I see the digital clock at 11:11, 2:22, 3:33... almost once everyday since last year and before that was occasionally. In facebook , this one is from a local DJ radio 988:


This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 8 2012, 02:32 PM

Let's take the case of Stonehenge

Radiocarbon dating indicated that the monument was erected or built between (3100-1600) BC.

Were the barbarians or natives (not the Celts) then capable of such a monumental task?



Or were they aliens (if not ET what other civilization) footprints left behind?

Stonehenge is one of the weirdest as how it's been constructed.
However, the most puzzling site are:
1) Nasca Lines http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_1.htm
How on earth the native can draw such a big line and yet it make sense when somebody travel by air that look at the shape?

2) Pumapunku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
How on earth the native can cut the stone with such precision? that even today technological have difficulty to craft it out


This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Sep 7 2012, 01:11 AM

Why you guys commenting with questions? What is there to discuss without creative input?

We still couldn't explain fully how the pyramids could be be built & why for. There is no written history or engineering blueprints.

In the case of Stonehenge we don't expect the natives or barbarians then to have the tools , machinery to erect such a monument. Do we?

Stonehenge seems somewhat low-tech to have been constructed by space faring ETs.

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Added on September 7, 2012, 8:27 amDon't now. But "ETs did it" is an even weirder explanation. Especially considering how the lines are made. By painstakingly removing red pebbles to reveal the white sands underneath. Must have taken a very long time. I just can't see ETs spending all the time doing this. Don't they have anything better to do? When the Americans went to the moon, did they spend years carefully drawing lines on the ground?

Slowly and carefully. Stone carving have been done for a very long time. If you can carve a statue, you can carve a block with a flat surface.

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Added on September 7, 2012, 8:29 amAlternatively, they are proof of evolution, as opposed of ID.

This post has been edited by dkk: Sep 7 2012, 08:29 AM

This ancient alien stuff sounds nothing more than lazy research at work. I can't figure out how they did it even though I have all kind of technology at my disposal but some yokel in the past managed to do all these amazing stuff using simple tools. Either they are smarter than me(the horrors...) or they had help from someone else(aliens!!!!).

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Added on September 7, 2012, 9:00 amThese so called junk DNA actually does something.

"Junk" DNA Holds Clues to Common Diseases
]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=junk-dna-encode

Information on "junk" DNA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noncoding_DNA

This post has been edited by Eventless: Sep 7 2012, 09:00 AM

We do not know what sort of technique they used during that time because the methods are lost to us. However, this does not mean that humans are incapable of achievements. Moreover, we still do not know the extend of their knowledge in architecture. Also, there were numerous attempts in building pyramids showing that they were trying new ideas from time to time(for example the Bent pyramid and the red pyramid). I think it is a pity not giving the ancient Egyptians the credit they deserve for building such magnificent structures.

You based on an assumption that Egyptian definitely build it because it's located at Egypt.
Is it true? Nobody knows as it's full of mystery.

At the moment, there is no successful attempt to build a pyramid using current technological.
Also, Pumapunku site is the most interesting because scientist has confirm that the stone cutting is similar to diamond cutting. Many people speculate that ancient peoples uses stone but that method would not shape a nice cutting stone.

Bottom line, we can only guess all the ancient mega structures is build with alien technology.
If use metal, the metal will rot through time
If use plastic, the plastic is not strong enough to build structures
If use organics, the substance can't withstand strong weathers
however using stone, it can last a very very long time

The question that we are asking about ancient civilization is similar to us asking "Can monkey build a a simple wooden house?"

What mystery are you talking about? Please list them out.

Are you willing to provide the materials and land to build a pyramid? These are massive structures that require large areas of land, a lot of building materials and labor to build. Who would want to build one just to test out a theory?

Did anyone try build an actual pyramid recently?

Why are aliens building tombs for Egyptian Pharoahs? What would they get out of it?

No, it sounds more like a proclamation of superiority and arrogance than anything else. If we can't figure it out, they should not have either.

Because there is no need for one? Currently there are much simpler ways to construct large monuments. Why follow the hard way?

There are many pyramids around the world(in different countries) and each of them are years apart. This shows that pyramid building is not unique to the Egyptians. Also, if the aliens did descent to show how pyramids were build, then these different pyramids from different part of the world would have been of around the same time but this is not the case when the carbon dating for all of the pyramids in the world are many years apart.

Pumapunku does not prove anything of what you said about aliens. Like I explained earlier, the technique is lost to us. It does not explicitly shows there is alien interference. At the moment, I can only see whatever you think that seems impossible to build is of alien tech. Didn't you consider that it is only the technology or the skills that were just lost to us?

From Yahoo answer:
The stone material would have to have either Carbon in its structure (like a Carbonate) or coated with ash or soot containing Carbon to be dated.

With Stonehenge, it is not the age of the stone which is important, but the age of the site. Burnt wood and other means have been used to date the structure.

Carbon 14 appies only to organic material, it had to once been living tissue.
As for Stonehenge, subtle clues like erosion of exposed surfaces can be used, although not terribly accurate. Usually, non-organic material can be dated by association with organic artifacts found nearby, like a piece of wood that was used to raise the stones, which is the case for some pillars left in ground. Also, any digging around the site to allow the stones to be moved around would disturb the top soil to a certain depth, and only the layers of top soil that were added afterwards would match those of the undisturbed terrain, providing clues to the age of the site.

The attached link will provide more info.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 7 2012, 12:09 PM

As to your statement, it's also possible that our ancestor was once a very advanced civilization that can travel land, air, sea or perhaps space till the technological and skills was lost through generations.

That's the interesting part on the pyramids especially it's actually build up in many places around earth. Till now, there is no proof what the pyramids is used for. Let's think this way, a tribe people comes across the land that has pyramid but was abandoned by whoever civilization. Would the tribe people leave? or uses the structure for their own use? So, the real purpose of pyramid is depends on which tribe use it for.

It is possible but to support such notion it is better to have a concrete proof, rather than "I don't know, therefore aliens."

The usage of pyramids differs in different cultures. The Egyptians used it to bury their royalty while those in the south/central America may have been used for religious purposes (like sacrifices). It was speculated that the ancient cities of south/central America were abandoned because of climate change where a drought happened, making crops didnt grow.

It seems that there was a documentary on a group of people trying to build a small pyramid using ancient tools and methods. Some shortcuts were taken due to lack of manpower and time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques#NOVA_pyramid_building_experiment

Agree that pyramids usage differs in different cultures but is there any proof that Egyptians or South America people build it? All we know is that Egyptians and South America people uses it only.

Pyramid Builders' Village Found in Egypt
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0805_020805_giza.html

Would the above count as proof as in who built the pyramid in Egypt?

I have shown you earlier with different designs of pyramids, from how they experimented building non-sloped pyramid, to the attempted smooth-slope of the bent pyramid, into the successful red pyramid and finally the famous Giza Pyramids. All of these shows that there is a repeated attempt to perfect pyramid building by the ancient Egyptians. It isnt a one time project.

What about the tomb wall that are 90 degrees cubicle and the smooth flat surface? It is not impossible to build pyramid but what are the methods they could have used to measure?

The Pumapunku site almost convinced me that alien did came or a small society were far more advanced than others but they keep it to themselves and when disaster struck, they lost everything, maybe alien left Earth because its not going to last long and the news reached the Mayan.

Here are some of the picture of tools used to build the pyramids. They have levels to make sure surfaces are either vertical or horizontal and squares to make sure that corners are 90 degrees.
http://puffin.creighton.edu/museums/cohagan/egypt_build.htm

OK, cutting it square is not too difficult, the Pyramid isn't my interest, how about these granite stone and its intricate details at Pumapunku:
Google image search

Problem:

I have been reading some conventional sources and many tell me that the stones are made of andesite and sandstone.

On the other hand, non-conventional tells me those stones are granite.

So, am I suppose to believe a research that has been peer-reviewed many times or not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

Sand stone is easy carving block but the doubt is on those H granite block and big panel, the videos in page 1 have addressed the questions we can think of already, continue them here lead to no where and the only out come for such a discussion is to insert your thoughts rather than your doubt.

We have to a common agreement on statements to have a meaningful discussion.

Conventional sources tell me that there are no diorite or granite blocks in Pumapunku. Pumapunku is almost all clay and rubble, with facing stones of sandstone and a bit of andesite.

So unless we can both agree or disagree of a statement together, I don't think there will be a meaningful discussion.

You mean the discovery video is misleading people? If so, I was wrong, no alien and end of discussion about stone, what else is there that have not been discovered that are worthy to talk about?

What do you mean by discovery video? That show was produced by the History channel which contains shows about UFOs, ghosts and end of the world prophecies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_%28U.S._TV_channel%29

Sorry loh, whether Discovery channel or History channel is misleading us implied nipaa1412 according to his most trusted source that does not acknowledge the findings. So these videos making things up or not? Believe Wiki or youtube leh?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 8 2012, 12:53 PM

I'm more likely to believe wikipedia in this case since wikipedia has a reference section which you can use to do further research.

Then again people have been cutting granite way before Pumapunku was built. So that is not something that is unusual by itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite#Antiquity

Cutting or polishing granite is not the doubt but to reproduce them in exact size precisely like machining is a challenge in those days, notice sculptures are irregular in shape not perfect flatness even at the concave and gutter like inward shape, since granite is so damn hard, why make such a structure that has no appearance purpose?

There is only two answers given,
1. Alien intervention
2. lost civilization who could be rather advanced, even with such advancement, they extinct or left the Earth.

Stone isn't the only sign that led to alien, crop circle and psychic and the paranormal too have a long history in human mind but since human can manifest anything, it is deemed unreliable.






This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 8 2012, 09:57 PM

once upon a time, human are much stronger then today.

Are you suggesting once upon a time, we were alien? Possible too and technology made us lazy and weak.

That is a valid question, particularly human is the only kind that possess such high level of intelligence compared to any other animals but that does not mean we aren't originated from Earth and since human already started to explore other planets, we are the alien.

we have no slave labor today. If an employer worked their workers too hard and too long, they' can expect a letter from court. but there was no such limitation long time ago. You can get a machine perfect stone without machining, but it require time, skill and concentration. the stonemason of maya usually build a scaffold and hang a slab of uncut stone a few inch upon the already shaped stone. then they will shape the stone hanging down the scaffold to fit right into the stone that they want to fit it into. to shape a single stone may take days and building a single wall may take many slaves.

The idea of many skilled expert slave carvers has been suggested, that does not explain the identical geometrical structure of the H block as compared to grinding the stone against each other to fit which is irregular. To demand unnecessary or geometrical design is against logic knowing it could take a life time of only expert carvers to complete, more so if the purpose of the blocks is a wall, and wall is for protection, it should be fast and strong and cubical, only after the wall is completed, details are added just like most temple are carved out of the cave or wall instead of build like the Pyramid.



This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 8 2012, 11:03 PM

Okay. How did ancient man make a round hole as shown in one of the picture????

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Added on September 9, 2012, 3:44 amDiorite and andesite are the same type of rock.One is extrusive while the other one is intrusive. When lava comes to the surface, rapid cooling occurs resulting in microscopic crystals forming. When lava remains in the ground, it slowly solidify, resulting in large crystals forming which can be seen with the naked eye

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Added on September 9, 2012, 3:56 amOkay lets talk about UFO encounters. How about the 1976 incident in Iran.??? Iranian F4 pilot trying to intercept an UFO claimed his plane encountered some type of jamming. That incident was well documented. Was the pilot lying???


This post has been edited by segamatboy: Sep 9 2012, 03:58 AM

Did you read the part about it being tools for making the pyramids in Egypt not Puma Punku?

Any reason why drills cannot exist back then? Drills are not a recent invention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill#History

Diorite is not really granite. That being said the link below mentions something about hardness of the material actually makes it easier to make fine details. There is a picture of a vase made of the stuff with round holes that predates Puma Punku as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diorite#Historic_use

By definition a UFO is basically an Unidentified Flying Object. It does not automatically means aliens are involved. Can it mean aliens? Maybe. If it was an identified object, it would not be an issue would it?

And the reason why ETs would want these blocks carved in these identical geometrical shapes is because ... ?

I do not think it is a better explanation. How did you jump from "I cannot see how those early pre-industrial peoples did this" to "so ETs must have done it".

A better explanation would be if someone had found evidence like those surface had not been shaped with chisels, but somebody used high speed powezr tools or lasers, or something else those ancient peoples couldn't have.

Otherwise "I cannot imagine how they did it" is not evidence of "ETs did it", or anything else.

The H block is clearly interlocking wall and what is the purpose of wall? Don't just rebut for the sake of disagree, I did not say it has to be alien being and you can't say it isn't either since nobody know. This topic is for creative input not a yes or no, right or wrong definition, the word alien could be things we have not discovered but Earthly which may have lost or extinct, your usual argument are not suitable in such a debate, too rigid.

If you have imagination at all, such a high degree of precision made wall exist in a primitive age, wonder what else do they have that are undiscovered? These people or alien did not leave anything else or buried underneath that are not allow to excavate, have you watch the movie TRANSFORMER? Who is to say there isn't anything else hidden in the pyramid?

With the kind of ability, they didn't survive compared to other less advanced civilization, I posses these primitive stone age ability from carving to painting also advanced 3D computer graphics. I have better understanding to what state of mind is needed to achieve what they did, what expert opinion do you have?

Before this, we only see the head.


This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 9 2012, 11:14 PM

The idea that our generation is the most advance civilization ever on this planet is refuted by the evidence in front of us all over this world. And yet most don't seem to "want" to get it. The ape theory is more appealing.

Put it this way, there might be many generations of civilizations on Earth but they may not look like us, therefore ape is more likely our ancestor, the previous can look very different, no reason to resemble human.

No evolution. Homo sapiens and versions of it, have been here on Earth for billions of years with many clean up jobs in between.

Who did the clean up jobs? Guessing is fun, can write a long story if you want.

This debunk video explain better than the ancient alien speculator.





This post has been edited by 3dassets: Nov 9 2012, 12:00 AM