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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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post Sep 4 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 02:24 PM)
Seriously, I rather BR gamble on Yesil and Morgan. Giving youngsters some chance may just bring the best out of them and it will be our gain for the long run. They score some wondergoals then they will grow in confidence.
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Hoping for that also, plus it's not like Suarez and Borini are 100% condemned either...lol
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post Sep 4 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 02:24 PM)
Seriously, I rather BR gamble on Yesil and Morgan. Giving youngsters some chance may just bring the best out of them and it will be our gain for the long run. They score some wondergoals then they will grow in confidence.
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True about grooming youngsters..but that would be in the ideal world where none of them will get injured or suspended..We do have the league and 3 cups to play..that's a lot of game assuming we want to win at least one of it. Yesil and Morgan probably not at the level for week in week out Premier League games yet..For the cups i believe BR should let them play. A back up striker would probably be for the league which i think u will agree, a completely different level to the cups..

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 02:24 PM)
Seriously, I rather BR gamble on Yesil and Morgan. Giving youngsters some chance may just bring the best out of them and it will be our gain for the long run. They score some wondergoals then they will grow in confidence.
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Still thinking addition of experience and well establish striker will be better for us currently. As long as he can contribute 100% in the team and get some goals, it is good enough already, no matter he was a traitor or what. Imagine if both Yesil and Morgan can't perform.
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QUOTE(saikuan @ Sep 4 2012, 02:33 PM)
True about grooming youngsters..but that would be in the ideal world where none of them will get injured or suspended..We do have the league and 3 cups to play..that's a lot of game assuming we want to win at least one of it. Yesil and Morgan probably not at the level for week in week out Premier League games yet..For the cups i believe BR should let them play. A back up striker would probably be for the league which i think u will agree, a completely different level to the cups..
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Well said. Cup games and occasionally as substitute in premier league matches if we are already dominating 2-0 or 3-0. I am eager to see Liverpool producing and grooming more great players. The Liverpool factory has stopped working since like 1998.
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post Sep 4 2012, 02:36 PM

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Any free signings we make now is not gonna do us much good anyway. We are playing so badly at the moment from back to front anyone expecting signing a backup striker is gonna change our fortunes must be dreaming. Yes an injury to either Suarez or Borini is gonna severely damage our strikeforce but I don't see it scoring goals now with 2 so having 1 striker wouldn't make much difference would it? biggrin.gif Our forwards are so impotent you wouldn't notice a difference even if you put defenders or midfielders in their place.

Also let's not forget we now play a 4-3-3. 3 central midfielders and 3 forwards. That forward line however doesn't necessarily have to all be of traditional forwards. Sterling a winger plays as part of the front 3. Gerrard and Downing also had game time playing there. Assaidi a winger for sure isn't gonna slot into the central midfield role so he has a spot too. So what if we have Suarez and Borini? They stray wide and away anyway, they are pretty much playing as wingers no? Would it make much difference if we put actual wingers in their place? biggrin.gif

So yeah giving the youngsters a chance is best for long term. They are always talking about long term anyway so now is the time.

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post Sep 4 2012, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Sep 4 2012, 02:36 PM)
Any free signings we make now is not gonna do us much good anyway. We are playing so badly at the moment from back to front anyone expecting signing a backup striker is gonna change our fortunes must be dreaming. Yes an injury to either Suarez or Borini is gonna severely damage our strikeforce but I don't see it scoring goals now with 2 so having 1 striker wouldn't make much difference would it? biggrin.gif Our forwards are so impotent you wouldn't notice a difference even if you put defenders or midfielders in their place.

Also let's not forget we now play a 4-3-3. 3 central midfielders and 3 forwards. That forward line however doesn't necessarily have to all be of traditional forwards. Sterling a winger plays as part of the front 3. Gerrard and Downing also had game time playing there. Assaidi a winger for sure isn't gonna slot into the central midfield role so he has a spot too. So what if we have Suarez and Borini? They stray wide and away anyway, they are pretty much playing as wingers no? Would it make much difference if we put actual wingers in their place? biggrin.gif

So yeah giving the youngsters a chance is best for long term. They are always talking about long term anyway so now is the time.
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Exactly my thought. if we are losing matches, I rather have the youngsters playing and learning something out of it.
At least short term loss may be a long term gain. And who knows, the youngsters may turn over the table for you in some matches. Like what BR said, youngsters will do almost anything to impress you.
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Yeah..I am sure some of the youngster will perform..just don't compare them to the legends..jinx and gives a lot of pressure..In fact in some articles, they mentioned that the owners want to focus so much on the future, they are willing to accept a trophyless and mid table finish this season..

Acceptable?
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 10:00 AM)
Seriously? I once donated RM50 just for saving stray dogs in Pulau Ketam. You got the wrong people, buddy. Hehe. But seriously, I will donate if they buy Falcao. No joke. Of course within my reasonable budget. biggrin.gif
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I would as well. I already spend way more on booze and a jug of beer for Falcao is well worth the investment!

QUOTE(Petre @ Sep 4 2012, 10:28 AM)
kudos for your good intentions and effort, but different people different priorities and commitment. i understand your feelings but thats it. people respond to different things...

perhaps Hillsborough case has become increasingly stagnant each year it passes. where did you do your auction? malaysians can be generous but some people rather donate to orphanage and such rather than to take out money for some football related matter, although we all know its more than that. not easy to open the mind on this issue, if you get what i mean...
It was during a viewing party at the now relocated Breakers Bistro and we were playing the mancs. Dude it's 10 bucks and if everyone "loves" the club as they claim, is it really a big deal? I'm not generalising of course. Just saying from my experience then that talk is cheap la. It's easy to say something and commit to something when you don't have to lay anything on the line, in this case it's money. I mean if you can spend 300 bucks on a jersey....

The Hillsborough tribute is held every year so I doubt it's stagnated. One cannot claim to love the club and not be aware of it's importance I'm sorry to say. Players come and go but Hillsborough will forever be etched in the minds of those on Merseyside at least.
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QUOTE(saikuan @ Sep 4 2012, 02:56 PM)
Yeah..I am sure some of the youngster will perform..just don't compare them to the legends..jinx and gives a lot of pressure..In fact in some articles, they mentioned that the owners want to focus so much on the future, they are willing to accept a trophyless and mid table finish this season..

Acceptable?
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Yes, if John Henry, Tom Werner and Ian Ayre drop their pants and walk around Melwood with full of journalists because mid table finish will totally piss me off. No trophy nevermind. Mid table like 12th or 13th? I will join the protest in the street of Liverpool.
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Here's a good writeup from the Independent. Some of this has already been discussed yesterday but this article provides greater detail on why we didn't proceed with the Dempsey move. I've cut out a piece of the full article (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-reject-owen-as-henry-admits-errors-8102806.html)

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A series of events contributed to the Dempsey deal not going ahead. Jordan Henderson, offered as makeweight in that deal, had decided by last Thursday that he did not want to move to Craven Cottage. Liverpool also now accept that Fulham's deep sense of grievance about the events of a messy summer, where the Dempsey deal was concerned, proved significant, leading the London club to quote Liverpool a higher price than for others. Irked by the knowledge that Aston Villa had been asked for considerably less – £4m-£5m – Liverpool rejected Fulham's price on a point of principle. In retrospect, a headline posted in error on FSG's own website while the club were on tour in the United States in July – "Liverpool gear up for North American Tour as Clint Dempsey joins club" – has proved calamitous.

Henry's letter was unable to absolve the owners or the club of the disastrous decision not to attach a caveat to discussions with West Ham, which would have prevented Carroll leaving Anfield if no replacement for him came in last week. Neither did it identify the advisers who convinced FSG to go against Rodgers' wishes on buying Dempsey outlay – when it was FSG who were persuaded by Rodgers, for better or worse, that the Northern Irishman should possess the powers they had wanted to invest in a director of football.

But the statement did bear out the sense of FSG as owners with an enlightened financial philosophy to "buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages". The letter provided the latest of many Henry communications about the club's determination to adhere to Uefa's Financial Fair Play (FFP) regime.

It is as yet unclear where Liverpool stand with FFP compliance as the 2011-12 and 2012-13 accounts will be used. Aggregate losses of €45m (£35.8m) will be permitted in those two financial years, as the regime is eased in.

The owners are willing to accept a mid-table position for Liverpool this season, as the price for adhering to their philosophy. This will be a long, bumpy road to recovery but, despite supporters' expectations, it is the only one.


In summary, here's why FSG were reluctant to sign Dempsey.

1) Jordan Henderson's refusal to move. Hmm... it says that he was offered as "makeweight". We signed him for close to $20 million and Dempsey was offered to us at $7 million so how much do were we going to value Henderson at for this deal to go through? Doesn't make sense unless we were going to ship him to them on loan.

2) Fulham wanted us to pay a higher price than the others because of the messy summer where even on FSG's website, we claimed he was already joining us. I can understand why Fulham were pissed. What we did is almost akin to tapping up a player. I don't think either party was wrong here. We refused on principal and they wanted more because of what we did.

3) Buying prudently. To be honest I don't think that refusing to sign a player who had just scored 23 goals for a paltry sum despite his age (not even 30 btw) was being prudent. I think it had more to do with reason 2).

As to why we loaned Carroll out? Well it had to do with our cash flow I feel. With FFP taking effect, we cannot afford expensive passengers.

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QUOTE(Petre @ Sep 4 2012, 03:14 PM)
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Henderson looks so good huh.
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19 of our lads are going for their international matches


hope nothing but no injuries
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post Sep 4 2012, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 02:24 PM)
Seriously, I rather BR gamble on Yesil and Morgan. Giving youngsters some chance may just bring the best out of them and it will be our gain for the long run. They score some wondergoals then they will grow in confidence.
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you don't want to do that man. seriously.

Seeing Morgan kid play a few match I think he's more of the Borini type, good off the ball sense but no skills with the ball. he's a finisher he is but he's no young Owen yet

I've watched videos of Yesil playing and that guy has a problem with finishing off chances me think. I watch that on youtube, and youtube were supposed to make players look like god :/

I still think old owen can do the job coming off the bench
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QUOTE(Petre @ Sep 4 2012, 03:14 PM)
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No wonder hit the tiang so many times la! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Sep 4 2012, 04:16 PM)
you don't want to do that man. seriously.

Seeing Morgan kid play a few match I think he's more of the Borini type, good off the ball sense but no skills with the ball. he's a finisher he is but he's no young Owen yet

I've watched videos of Yesil playing and that guy has a problem with finishing off chances me think. I watch that on youtube, and youtube were supposed to make players look like god :/

I still think old owen can do the job coming off the bench
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I'm saying we look at the long term vision. Owen can give us half a season maybe (and you cant guarantee he will be good for us) but not playing the youngsters would mean that they will never get a chance to shine.

Getting Owen doesnt mean our problem is solved. Once he fluffed a few easy chances, I am sure fans here will be calling for his head to be chopped off.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 04:28 PM)
I'm saying we look at the long term vision. Owen can give us half a season maybe (and you cant guarantee he will be good for us) but not playing the youngsters would mean that they will never get a chance to shine.

Getting Owen doesnt mean our problem is solved. Once he fluffed a few easy chances, I am sure fans here will be calling for his head to be chopped off.
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And the vicious cycle shall begin again, as it did for KK, and now BR (minority).
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Sep 4 2012, 04:16 PM)
you don't want to do that man. seriously.

Seeing Morgan kid play a few match I think he's more of the Borini type, good off the ball sense but no skills with the ball. he's a finisher he is but he's no young Owen yet

I've watched videos of Yesil playing and that guy has a problem with finishing off chances me think. I watch that on youtube, and youtube were supposed to make players look like god :/

I still think old owen can do the job coming off the bench
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Completely agree. that was what I'm trying to say. Morgan is not there yet, with the way he play, he is not even near to Borini which is also not good enough. About Yesil, watch him only on YouTube, so there are not much to comment, but the main problem for him will be the physical, is he strong enough to compete with BPL big defenders. That is why one experience or matured striker is needed, if only we can get Falcao. =))))


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 4 2012, 04:28 PM)
I'm saying we look at the long term vision. Owen can give us half a season maybe (and you cant guarantee he will be good for us) but not playing the youngsters would mean that they will never get a chance to shine.

Getting Owen doesnt mean our problem is solved. Once he fluffed a few easy chances, I am sure fans here will be calling for his head to be chopped off.
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Youngsters can be subs in or play against bottom table team. by this they can also grow and gain experience. Current situation is we need striker to be in the first team. to score goals, or try to create chances to Suarez n co. Talking about long term project, what if BR give them(youngsters) time to play and can't get the result in 10 - 12 match. FSG will still support BR and say this is long term when all the fans are hungry for a trophy?? No.. i wouldn't think so.

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Henderson looks so good huh.
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No wonder hit the tiang so many times la! laugh.gif
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Try as I may I just can't see any merit in re-signing Owen even on a pay as you play basis. There is no long or even short term benefit that I can think off as I feel he's past it. Based on my belief that he won't be scoring for fun, I'd much rather place my faith in Morgan and give him more exposure. FSG have already said that they will be patient in the transfer market, and are building for the future even if it means taking two steps back now, and finishing mid-table. I've been supportive of this since they first bought as and told us they were here for the long term and will be patient in restoring us to our glorious past.

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