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badyuan
post Nov 19 2012, 04:07 PM

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Guys, anyone here work as expat engineer in others country or any foreigner that work in M'sia? heard that they earn a huge buck, how does one can actually become an expat engineer ?

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QUOTE(badyuan @ Nov 19 2012, 04:07 PM)
Guys, anyone here work as expat engineer in others country or any foreigner that work in M'sia? heard that they earn a huge buck, how does one can actually become an expat engineer ?
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I'm working at Singapore for Malaysia MNC Oil & Gas company.. I'm Malaysian..
Huge buck come with big responsibility.. No pain no gain.. wink.gif
Road to become an expatriate engineer:

1. Education, qualification and Experience
a. Your course must be relevant and in demand
b. Qualification must be relevant and in demand (recognize qualification, dip, high dip, degree etc)
c. Experience is must as most of the employer would like the expat to be able to deliver immediately. Both requirement a & b will become slightly significant if you have proven years of experiences which you can interpret it to technical write up, consultancy and decision making.
d. Contact.. Example: we have recommended our fresh graduate engineers to assist us here at Singapore (for qualify and deserve ppl only).

2. Appearance, communication and leadership
a. Your appearance in term of works, involvement in your expertise must be at top level
b. Communication skill must be at top level. Not for shy guy who unable to talk.
c. Leadership skill with knowledge and experience. Not for bullshit. Action and talk must in parallel, not talk louder than action.

Above in general.. will update any details later.. icon_rolleyes.gif

Calling for bro Azraeil.. Which far from Malaysia.. wink.gif

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post Nov 20 2012, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(abgkik @ Nov 19 2012, 01:14 PM)
I'm working at Singapore for Malaysia MNC Oil & Gas company.. I'm Malaysian..
Huge buck come with big responsibility.. No pain no gain..  wink.gif
Road to become an expatriate engineer:

1. Education, qualification and Experience
a. Your course must be relevant and in demand
b. Qualification must be relevant and in demand (recognize qualification, dip, high dip, degree etc)
c. Experience is must as most of the employer would like the expat to be able to deliver immediately. Both requirement a & b will become slightly significant if you have proven years of experiences which you can interpret it to technical write up, consultancy and decision making.
d.              Contact.. Example: we have recommended our fresh graduate engineers to assist us here at Singapore (for qualify and deserve ppl only).

2. Appearance, communication and leadership
a. Your appearance in term of works, involvement in your expertise must be at top level
b. Communication skill must be at top level. Not for shy guy who unable to talk.
c. Leadership skill with knowledge and experience. Not for bullshit. Action and talk must in parallel, not talk louder than action.

Above in general.. will update any details later..  icon_rolleyes.gif

Calling for bro Azraeil.. Which far from Malaysia..  wink.gif
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I'm working in Saudi Arabia together with some 80 Malaysians here. There's another 400 Malaysians and their extended family in the Industrial City of Jubail. As mentioned by abgkik, you need to have skills that are in demand. You need to be able to work in a team and have the right attitude and basically don't sell yourself short. Oil & Gas professionals from Malaysia are in high demand because almost all MNCs in the world (especially the middle east) knows that we Malaysians can carry our weight and then some. Malaysia boleh!
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post Nov 20 2012, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 20 2012, 01:38 AM)
I'm working in Saudi Arabia together with some 80 Malaysians here. There's another 400 Malaysians and their extended family in the Industrial City of Jubail. As mentioned by abgkik, you need to have skills that are in demand. You need to be able to work in a team and have the right attitude and basically don't sell yourself short. Oil & Gas professionals from Malaysia are in high demand because almost all MNCs in the world (especially the middle east) knows that we Malaysians can carry our weight and then some. Malaysia boleh!
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Thanks abgkik and azraeil for the input.
and what kind of skill are you mentioning here ? what is the current most demanded skill now ?
would like to develop myself toward that (hopefully there is chances in future)
and really ? Malaysia OnG professionals are so high reputed in others countries? lol dnt realize that. *Proud* rclxms.gif
btw, lets say I have obtained those skills with enuf experience, what would be the best channel to bcm an Expat. Eng ?
I think most of the MNC hired recruitment firm to help them up rite ? if yes, which recruitment firm normally doing this kind of recruitment ?

Thanks in advance

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post Nov 20 2012, 11:14 AM

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Hi guys, im new here. I have a degree in petroleum engineering and majoring in drilling n production operations. but my result were not too excellent (3rd class) Because of this i cant apply to big companies. I just graduated in sept and now searching for job. Really appreciate if anyone can help me on this. :-)

And my question is, how much is expected salary for technical assistant job in kl for oil and gas company?

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post Nov 20 2012, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(badyuan @ Nov 20 2012, 03:33 AM)
Thanks abgkik and azraeil for the input.
and what kind of skill are you mentioning here ? what is the current most demanded skill now ?
would like to develop myself toward that (hopefully there is chances in future)
and really ? Malaysia OnG professionals are so high reputed  in others countries? lol dnt realize that. *Proud*  rclxms.gif
btw, lets say I have obtained those skills with enuf experience, what would be the best channel to bcm an Expat. Eng ?
I think most of the MNC hired recruitment firm to help them up rite ? if yes, which recruitment firm normally doing this kind of recruitment ?

Thanks in advance
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The current skills that are in high demands are those in the Subsurface skills (Geology/Geophysicist/Petroleum Engineering/Reservoir Engineering/ Production Technology/ and not to forget the most in demand of all, Drilling Engineers & Petrophysicist) followe by the surface facilities engineering.

I get calls every couple of weeks from headhunters who probably got my name from LinkedIn and also from word of mouth. The key is networking.
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post Nov 20 2012, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(badyuan @ Nov 20 2012, 08:33 AM)
Thanks abgkik and azraeil for the input.
and what kind of skill are you mentioning here ? what is the current most demanded skill now ?
would like to develop myself toward that (hopefully there is chances in future)
and really ? Malaysia OnG professionals are so high reputed  in others countries? lol dnt realize that. *Proud*  rclxms.gif
btw, lets say I have obtained those skills with enuf experience, what would be the best channel to bcm an Expat. Eng ?
I think most of the MNC hired recruitment firm to help them up rite ? if yes, which recruitment firm normally doing this kind of recruitment ?

Thanks in advance
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Bro Azraeil described to you about oilfield engineering..

When there are oilfields available, facilities will be required.. FPSO, FSO, MOPU, MODU will come in the picture.. The current skills which are in demand Marine Engineer, Process Engineer, Naval Architect, Turret or Riser or Mooring Engineer.. Follow by Topside/Process equipment Engineer smile.gif

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post Nov 20 2012, 02:30 PM

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Added on November 20, 2012, 2:31 pm
QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 20 2012, 01:13 PM)
The current skills that are in high demands are those in the Subsurface skills (Geology/Geophysicist/Petroleum Engineering/Reservoir Engineering/ Production Technology/ and not to forget the most in demand of all, Drilling Engineers & Petrophysicist) followe by the surface facilities engineering.

I get calls every couple of weeks from headhunters who probably got my name from LinkedIn and also from word of mouth. The key is networking.
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QUOTE(abgkik @ Nov 20 2012, 02:07 PM)
Bro Azraeil described to you about oilfield engineering..

When there are oilfields available, facilities will be required.. FPSO, FSO, MOPU, MODU will come in the picture.. The current skills which are in demand Marine Engineer, Process Engineer, Naval Architect, Turret or Riser or Mooring Engineer.. Follow by Topside/Process equipment Engineer smile.gif
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Thanks a lot for the helpful information,

Guess I will have to work harder to expand my networking now and develop my skill towards this area, My degree qualification are toward these area, but my current job scope is not (althg im in OnG now)..... hopefully will have the chance to switch my role in the future,

btw, normally company only hired expat. eng as a contract employee rite ? so what if they did not renew your contract after expired ? will it be risky ?

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QUOTE(badyuan @ Nov 20 2012, 09:30 AM)

Added on November 20, 2012, 2:31 pm
Thanks a lot for the helpful information,

Guess I will have to work harder to expand my networking now and develop my skill towards this area, My degree qualification are toward these area, but my current job scope is not (althg im in OnG now)..... hopefully will have the chance to switch my role in the future,

btw, normally company only hired expat. eng as a contract employee rite ? so what if they did not renew your contract after expired ? will it be risky ?
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Most middle eastern NOCs hire expats as permanent staff (in my case it's called Indefinite Term). Some prefer contract because they get the money upfront so basically in any case you need to do your financials before accepting the job. If the company is offering 80K a month for a 2 year contract, I may not take it because it's too short and I have a lot of commitment but if they offer 120K a month for 2 years then we can talk ....
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post Nov 20 2012, 02:56 PM

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Hi abg azraeeli and sifus here, would lyk to ask, if i were to pursue an oil n gas career later in my life, will a mechanical engineering or chemical engineering degree be more reelevant to my future employer/industry ? biggrin.gif i would very much love to work in an onG industry for its environment, not so much only for the $$, if so, i would have gone into investment banking, as its much higher in terms of pay, kindly advise on whether which is more relevant, chem engineering or mech ngineering? smile.gif

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post Nov 20 2012, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 20 2012, 02:38 PM)
Most middle eastern NOCs hire expats as permanent staff (in my case it's called Indefinite Term). Some prefer contract because they get the money upfront so basically in any case you need to do your financials before accepting the job. If the company is offering 80K a month for a 2 year contract, I may not take it because it's too short and I have a lot of commitment but if they offer 120K a month for 2 years then we can talk ....
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post Nov 20 2012, 05:13 PM

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Hi guys, I have a question here regarding graduate studies...

I just graduated this July (civil engineering) and now working on a client side based in KL...sometimes I do travel outstations for weeks..

I wish to further my studies at masters level...partly because two of my superiors in my company are currently doing part time Master in science (petroleum eng) in utm...I've shortlisted two courses...one is Masters in Science ( Offshore Tech) in NUS and the other being Masters in Petroleum Eng in UTM...both of them are taught-course based...

what do you guys recommend? should I go for it? Will the masters help in my future career?

I'm still a graduate in my company and there's no specific role for me..hence I would like to take this opportunity to study tongue.gif..unlike my colleagues now who are so busy working and studying...he recommended me to start now..since junior guys have less responsibility..smile.gif

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 20 2012, 02:38 PM)
Most middle eastern NOCs hire expats as permanent staff (in my case it's called Indefinite Term). Some prefer contract because they get the money upfront so basically in any case you need to do your financials before accepting the job. If the company is offering 80K a month for a 2 year contract, I may not take it because it's too short and I have a lot of commitment but if they offer 120K a month for 2 years then we can talk ....
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bro, 120k inMYR or in USD. shocking.gif ..if its USD, im mind-blown, wont be able to even hit tht amount anywhere in Malaysia. sad.gif
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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 20 2012, 01:13 PM)
The current skills that are in high demands are those in the Subsurface skills (Geology/Geophysicist/Petroleum Engineering/Reservoir Engineering/ Production Technology/ and not to forget the most in demand of all, Drilling Engineers & Petrophysicist) followe by the surface facilities engineering.

I get calls every couple of weeks from headhunters who probably got my name from LinkedIn and also from word of mouth. The key is networking.
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how about completion eng bro?they dont come under the drilling engineer but some how involved in the process and the man to tie up every thing to be ready for production.my thus observation these 2 come together and are always present, only those drilling guys start from the word go to the end.

drilling is indeed a fascinating subject.the amount of service companies and services involved from every section/size to whats down there all to be discovered and reaped trough.

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salam and hi guys....i would like to ask some opinion...

i just finish my study in mechanical eng...i got offer as management trainee at local downstream engineering n maintenance services but the salary they offer is 1.5k n still do not minus epf n socso...should i take it consider the experience i will get from this company cuz they told me they will teach us by using engineer syllabus...the location at kmaman tgganu...plus the duration is 6 months and i cannot go to the other company if i got another offer...should i take it??
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QUOTE(mhyug @ Nov 20 2012, 12:52 PM)
how about completion eng bro?they dont come under the drilling engineer but some how involved in the process and the man to tie up every thing to be ready for production.my thus observation these 2 come together and are always present, only those drilling guys start from the word go to the end.

drilling is indeed a fascinating subject.the amount of service companies and services involved from every section/size to whats down there all to be discovered and reaped trough.
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Completion usually falls under the Production Technology skill gorup but then again, different company puts it in Drilling (I know mine does) so it depends.


Added on November 20, 2012, 8:10 pm
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bro, 120k inMYR or in USD. shocking.gif ..if its USD, im mind-blown, wont be able to even hit tht amount anywhere in Malaysia.  sad.gif
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Ringgit lah ....

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post Nov 20 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 20 2012, 02:38 PM)
Most middle eastern NOCs hire expats as permanent staff (in my case it's called Indefinite Term). Some prefer contract because they get the money upfront so basically in any case you need to do your financials before accepting the job. If the company is offering 80K a month for a 2 year contract, I may not take it because it's too short and I have a lot of commitment but if they offer 120K a month for 2 years then we can talk ....
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wow...that a lot of money.

let say after 10 years in saudi, you planned to work in m'sia, will you get the same salary as before? or you will get same like local.

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QUOTE(Menck @ Oct 24 2012, 02:00 AM)
nice tips  smile.gif

depend on job I guess, hav been seen female surveyor, processor on survey team. what's your study anyway?
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No problem female doing job in Oil and Gas. But need to apply the job that suit u and not you suit the job, tapi janganla terlampau memilih. smile.gif-


Added on November 21, 2012, 12:26 am
QUOTE(peace_4u89 @ Oct 23 2012, 09:20 PM)
what do u guys think about ladies applying ong jobs?is it tough nowadays?im a fresh graduate,female from utp.thanks!


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SI is divided into 2 session,1st case study+role play,this part u will be given an article and u'll be asked/brainstormin about it.for role play,u'll be given card for certain situation where u have to act as manager and handle the problem.

and another one is CBI(forgot wat it stands for LOL) but this session they will ask about ur strength and weakness also bout urself and bckground.here's a tip from my fellow fren http://tenangsudey.blogspot.com/2012/06/ti...ew-si-atau.html

good luck!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If you like in designing, maybe you can apply job at Ranhill Worley or Technip.

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QUOTE(alhakam88 @ Nov 20 2012, 05:22 PM)
wow...that a lot of money.

let say after 10 years in saudi, you planned to work in m'sia, will you get the same salary as before? or you will get same like local.
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Some of my colleagues have returned to Malaysia and the salary they are getting are close in terms of gross salary as compared to the one they were getting in my company. The problem most of us have is the education assistance that the company gives for our children. Once you start using the assistance (for boarding school), then it is very hard to leave as no other company in Malaysia can match the amount. I know because I have rejected Petrofac and Shell due to this reason.

Once my kids go to college, then I will most likely return to Malaysia. A friend returned and his pay package from a Malaysian Operator was close to 700K annually which is what most company are willing to pay for some of us to return to Malaysia.

Insyaallah kalau panjang umur I will return.
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QUOTE(azraeil @ Nov 21 2012, 03:07 AM)
Some of my colleagues have returned to Malaysia and the salary they are getting are close in terms of gross salary as compared to the one they were getting in my company. The problem most of us have is the education assistance that the company gives for our children. Once you start using the assistance (for boarding school), then it is very hard to leave as no other company in Malaysia can match the amount. I know because I have rejected Petrofac and Shell due to this reason.

Once my kids go to college, then I will most likely return to Malaysia. A friend returned and his pay package from a Malaysian Operator was close to 700K annually which is what most company are willing to pay for some of us to return to Malaysia.

Insyaallah kalau panjang umur I will return.
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So, If you want to achieve expat salary...you have to expat first in other country and come back.

Hujan emas di negeri orang, hujan batu di negeri sendiri...you will always choose your origin at the end

Last time, I visited saudi aramco website, they need at least 10 years of experiences for expat. So after 10 years I can join them?



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