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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum! V26, Keeping up with the others for over 27

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raul88
post Nov 17 2012, 05:48 PM

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Hi guys,

I own a proton saga/iswara aeroback
recently near my housing area got banjir

few days laterI had braking problem
it keep making sound and the brake not quite grip

it is possible that water had goes into the brake system?


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how much roughly the cost to replace the brake fluid or repair the problem?

thank you smile.gif
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post Nov 17 2012, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Nov 17 2012, 05:03 PM)
Just came back from dyno (jet).

My graph looks OK up to 4500 rpm, clean 80 WHP. Peak torque 13.34 kg-m at about 4000 rpm. 

Up to there is fine. After 4500 rpm mati pucuk already the graph. Peak WHP at 5700 rpm is 86.9 WHP only. Meaning from 4500 rpm until 5700 like nearly no gains.

Any ideas? Weber tuning? Or my 'highcam' cap ayam Jasma one not doing its job? The car is tuned for low end torque and response, advance cam around 4 degrees, but I didn't think it would affect the high end that badly.
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got graph n also d afr? wit cam 4degree, d max torque n hp is roughly there..

QUOTE(raul88 @ Nov 17 2012, 05:48 PM)
Hi guys,

I own a  proton saga/iswara aeroback
recently near my housing area got banjir

few days laterI had braking problem
it keep making sound and the brake not quite grip

it is possible that water had goes into the brake system?
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


how much roughly the cost to replace the brake fluid or repair the problem?

thank you  smile.gif
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if brake fluid prob, wont b too expensiv.. usual less than rm50

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jedi_master
post Nov 18 2012, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 17 2012, 07:04 PM)
got graph n also d afr? wit cam 4degree, d max torque n hp is roughly there..
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Well the AFR is really messed up after meddling with the cam timing and distributor timing. Huhu, need to re-tune the carb already. Here's the dyno graph.

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Compared with other dyno graphs on the net, I noticed that from 4500 to 6000 rpm there is at least 25 whp gain, even for advance timing. Mine only 6 WHP cry.gif cry.gif

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post Nov 18 2012, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Nov 18 2012, 01:07 AM)
Well the AFR is really messed up after meddling with the cam timing and distributor timing. Huhu, need to re-tune the carb already. Here's the dyno graph.

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Compared with other dyno graphs on the net, I noticed that from 4500 to 6000 rpm there is at least 25 whp gain, even for advance timing. Mine only 6 WHP  cry.gif  cry.gif
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afr still boleh la.. jus rich on mid rpm. but cant confirm coz it may cause by pump jet in action. if u ask me, as long its not lean, then ok d. if rich, effects on hp is not too much compare run lean . mayb notoriez can comment
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erm.. i think cam adjust too much low end power d. might wan readjust n dial in cam degree.. d hp also see vry fas mati pucuk d.. mati at 5.5k + rpm.. u using wat size exhaust piping? sflow?

ur setup act vry nice for daily drive n also in track like at dato sagor / mimc. smile.gif

87whp is vry power liao. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 18 2012, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 18 2012, 02:26 AM)
afr still boleh la.. jus rich on mid rpm. but cant confirm coz it may cause by pump jet in action. if u ask me, as long its not lean, then ok d. if rich, effects on hp is not too much compare run lean . mayb notoriez can comment
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erm.. i think cam adjust too much low end power d. might wan readjust n dial in cam degree.. d hp also see vry fas mati pucuk d.. mati at 5.5k + rpm.. u using wat size exhaust piping? sflow?

ur setup act vry nice for daily drive n also in track like at dato sagor / mimc. smile.gif

87whp is vry power liao.  thumbup.gif
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Hehe, yeah my setup aims for a responsive and torquey car for daily drive, with at least 70 WHP coming below 4000 rpm. Seems that I'm on the right track. tongue.gif

Just didn't expect such large sacrifice on higher end, especially since I'm running a longer duration cam. I'm on Hotbits 4-2-1, 2" OD piping all the way with single 2" midbox and 2" inlet S-flow.
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post Nov 18 2012, 04:45 AM

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QUOTE(outsider @ Nov 17 2012, 10:35 AM)
i hope my car can tahan until next year.... beh tahan ady, wish to buy new car next year
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simple: make your car tahan'able by you smile.gif

Added on November 18, 2012, 4:49 am
QUOTE(raul88 @ Nov 17 2012, 05:48 PM)
Hi guys,

I own a  proton saga/iswara aeroback
recently near my housing area got banjir

few days laterI had braking problem
it keep making sound and the brake not quite grip


how much roughly the cost to replace the brake fluid or repair the problem?

thank you  smile.gif
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try a complete brake flush then. like lowyat 82 mentioned, complete brake flushing is typically +/- rm50 or so (maybe a lil more expensive with labor charges)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 18 2012, 04:49 AM
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post Nov 18 2012, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Nov 18 2012, 03:19 AM)
Hehe, yeah my setup aims for a responsive and torquey car for daily drive, with at least 70 WHP coming below 4000 rpm. Seems that I'm on the right track. tongue.gif

Just didn't expect such large sacrifice on higher end, especially since I'm running a longer duration cam. I'm on Hotbits 4-2-1, 2" OD piping all the way with single 2" midbox and 2" inlet S-flow.
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huhu..good for u. biggrin.gif my 4g13 didnt really hav dat kind of horsies/torque. decided to run lighten flywheel in 1-2weeks time..lol

exhaust system looks good. yup, ab cam adjustment, not sure issit large effects or not, but afaik, d different can b feel even 1-2cam degree.
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post Nov 18 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(sky_lee20 @ Nov 17 2012, 12:36 AM)
any other opinion?tqvm
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Is your aircond fan working?

Plz check.

Might be reason not cold during hot day
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post Nov 18 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 18 2012, 10:14 AM)
huhu..good for u. biggrin.gif  my 4g13 didnt really hav dat kind of horsies/torque. decided to run lighten flywheel in 1-2weeks time..lol

exhaust system looks good. yup, ab cam adjustment, not sure issit large effects or not, but afaik, d different can b feel even 1-2cam degree.
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Yours 4g13 ma. Mine 4g15, stroked some more.. hence the 13+kgm torque. Still trying to figure out why the HP mati pucuk so early. Plugs? Defective cam? Valve float? Muffler restriction? Susah la if wana test one by one then go dyno, haha sweat.gif

Added: Btw lightened flywheel, make sure balanced properly.. Really irritating to drive if flywheel not balanced nicely, got other side effect also - last time my car electrical system also affected, voltage fluctuating up and down.

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 17 2012, 07:04 PM)
got graph n also d afr? wit cam 4degree, d max torque n hp is roughly there..
if brake fluid prob, wont b too expensiv.. usual less than rm50
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 18 2012, 04:45 AM)
simple: make your car tahan'able by you smile.gif

Added on November 18, 2012, 4:49 am

try a complete brake flush then. like lowyat 82 mentioned, complete brake flushing is typically +/- rm50 or so (maybe a lil more expensive with labor charges)
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alright, thanks guys
i do hope its nothing more than a brake fluid problem
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post Nov 18 2012, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Nov 18 2012, 01:11 PM)
Yours 4g13 ma. Mine 4g15, stroked some more.. hence the 13+kgm torque. Still trying to figure out why the HP mati pucuk so early. Plugs? Defective cam? Valve float? Muffler restriction? Susah la if wana test one by one then go dyno, haha  sweat.gif

Added: Btw lightened flywheel, make sure balanced properly.. Really irritating to drive if flywheel not balanced nicely, got other side effect also - last time my car electrical system also affected, voltage fluctuating up and down.
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ic. wa..stroker somemore..hehe. cant comment much on d figure since never saw pass dyno record machine from ken racing.

frm chart, its mostly r cam.try go powerzone n dial in cam degree..huhu

oo...thanks for d info.. never knew if not balance got side effects.. how about when idle?
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 18 2012, 03:57 PM)
ic. wa..stroker somemore..hehe. cant comment much on d figure since never saw pass dyno record machine from ken racing.

frm chart, its mostly r cam.try go powerzone n dial in cam degree..huhu

oo...thanks for d info.. never knew if not balance got side effects.. how about when idle?
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Ahaha, scared go powerzone kena poison masuk their cam already. drool.gif Wonder if they are knowledgeable about webers as well..

About 2 years back, I used lightened ori 1.6 flywheel, not balanced according to the seller. Idling a bit jittery but still tolerable. When taking off in 1st gear if clutch work slip a bit sure shaking like hell. The worst is some of my electronics occasionally flicker on/off, like not enough voltage. After 2 months, cannot tahan already change back to ori flywheel. Immediately no more problems...
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post Nov 18 2012, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Nov 18 2012, 08:44 PM)
Ahaha, scared go powerzone kena poison masuk their cam already.  drool.gif Wonder if they are knowledgeable about webers as well..

About 2 years back, I used lightened ori 1.6 flywheel, not balanced according to the seller. Idling a bit jittery but still tolerable. When taking off in 1st gear if clutch work slip a bit sure shaking like hell. The worst is some of my electronics occasionally flicker on/off, like not enough voltage. After 2 months, cannot tahan already change back to ori flywheel. Immediately no more problems...
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haha.. ok la. seriously, their cam not great, but good overall.. matspeed cam on other hands, hav many cam spec to suits every1 needs. they even hav scattered cams..

powerzone staff, fariz do noe weber but d prob is no jettings..so cannot do much also..btw, me , notoriez n 2 other guys hav ordered jetting from oversea. d price r surprisingly cheap. mine 12 jettin wit less than rm160 include shippin. same wit d other.

ic..thanks for d info ab d flywheel. idling jittery means wat? d whole car shakin coz rpm too low?
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 18 2012, 09:29 PM)
haha.. ok la. seriously, their cam not great, but good overall.. matspeed cam on other hands, hav many cam spec to suits every1 needs. they even hav scattered cams..

powerzone staff, fariz do noe weber but d prob is no jettings..so cannot do much also..btw, me , notoriez n 2 other guys hav ordered jetting from oversea. d price r surprisingly cheap. mine 12 jettin wit less than rm160 include shippin. same wit d other.

ic..thanks for d info ab d flywheel. idling jittery means wat? d whole car shakin coz rpm too low?
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Just added vibration from the engine bay while idling. When cruising OK already.. RPM-wise with old flywheel 800-900 no shaking, but with unbalanced flywheel had to set my idle to 1000 to reduce vibration.

Anyway, that aside, now I'm running a lightened 8" ST flywheel as well. It's balanced.. so no such issues..
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QUOTE(Kel89 @ Nov 17 2012, 05:16 PM)
Anyone knows how do i change my saga lmst headlamp bulb? I have googled it and most of it shows us we need to unplug the black plastic thingi forst then unscrew something bla bla bla... but still not sure how to do it.

Any sifu can guide? Plan to change to osram nightbreaker plus  tongue.gif
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Take off the bulb socket, then take off the black rubber, then open the clip, then carefully take out the bulb. After you placed the new bulb, work backwards. No screwing needed icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 18 2012, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Nov 18 2012, 10:08 PM)
Just added vibration from the engine bay while idling. When cruising OK already.. RPM-wise with old flywheel 800-900 no shaking, but with unbalanced flywheel had to set my idle to 1000 to reduce vibration.

Anyway, that aside, now I'm running a lightened 8" ST flywheel as well. It's balanced.. so no such issues..
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ic..thanks for d info. i'll keep dat in mind biggrin.gif
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http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/1/12...dx1_pss_eng.pdf i just bought a pair of these.. lol they cost more than my entire car bumper ^^;
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 19 2012, 01:14 AM)
http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/1/12...dx1_pss_eng.pdf i just bought a pair of these.. lol they cost more than my entire car bumper ^^;
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eh...i thought u already install DRL. no?
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Nov 19 2012, 08:54 AM)
eh...i thought u already install DRL. no?
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cheapo china led bulbs spoiled on me twice, fed up upgrade to this, supposedly last the car's lifetime and at least got 1 year warranty
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 19 2012, 09:33 AM)
cheapo china led bulbs spoiled on me twice, fed up upgrade to this, supposedly last the car's lifetime and at least got 1 year warranty
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ooo... DRL vry nice... if gib me chance, i'll install fog lamp instead tongue.gif my car projector lamp when rain, sucks to max...zzzz
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