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 Demon Hunter V2, Patch 1.05 - More survivabilities!

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post Sep 3 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Sep 3 2012, 02:10 PM)
I belive blizzrd made a mistake in setting it up in the first place. Damage was intended at 1500%per sec, i.e 300% per tick x 5 ticks per sec.Somehow they coded it as 1500% per tick

FYI..its 1500% of Weapon damage IIRC..hence eg if you got a 1.2k xbow = damage is 18k per tick. 5 tick per sec hence DPS = 90k. Over 3 sec =270k.

Dont know if dex is taken into consideration or not. I dont think so cause if it does...Imagine 90k x say 1500dex = 1.3m DPS per sec. Siow....tongue.gif

Correct me if I am wrong.
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probably, I'm no good in counting dps but if they do nerf ToC then i think many would stop using it..me included

this skill is more like "high risk high reward" type where as mine i usually love to 'take one for the team' where i'd
just jump straight into elite/rare mobs and spam atleast 3-4 times toc. But the risk of landing on plaque/arcane/molten while
being frozen/jailed/walled (and risked of one hit kill by hulking phasebeast/enrage blood clan mauler/ demonic tremor) also as high as the ToC damage biggrin.gif

nerf it and i don't think anyone would be interested in using it anymore (unless if u enjoyed farming in act1 of coz) laugh.gif

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post Sep 3 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Sep 3 2012, 12:43 PM)
Need major overhaul to be able to do well in Act 3.

Basic rule of thumbs: 35k HP, 300 AllRes, 50k DPS w/o SS, 35% CritRate, 250% Crit Damage. That's the minimum.
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Expensive. sweat.gif shakehead.gif
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post Sep 3 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Sep 3 2012, 02:16 PM)
probably, I'm no good in counting dps but if they do nerf ToC then i think many would stop using it..me included

this skill is more like "high risk high reward" type where as mine i usually love to 'take one for the team' where i'd
just jump straight into elite/rare mobs and spam atleast 3-4 times toc. But the risk of landing on plaque/arcane/molten while
being frozen/jailed/walled (and risked of one hit one kill by hulking phasebeast/enrage blood clan mauler/ demonic tremor) also as high as the ToC damage  biggrin.gif

nerf it and i don't think anyone would be interested in using it anymore (unless if u enjoyed farming in act1 of coz)  laugh.gif
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Yup...I agree with you. ToC has its risk..to make it effective..DH needs to vault into the mob hence..risk taking a hit/killed. Phasebeat hard to ToC as they just bloody teleport..or demonic is also a pain running around..smile.gif. But seriously..as it stands now its just too good. IT IS kinda OP (I am using it since day 1 post 1.04). Some nerf is justified but 300% is just not worth it. It is just sad to see that DH/monk keeps getting the wrong end of the stick when it comes to nerf. IMO Barb has always been "the apple" of Blizzard's eyes. Lol
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post Sep 3 2012, 03:33 PM

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What is de best skil set so far ??? anyone i can see your profile and copy ? ^^.
Btw i don have high AR...
only normal dps and normal HP o.0
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zelda-1697/

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post Sep 3 2012, 03:58 PM

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Anyone can share with me how I can further improve my DH?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/iesnek-1377/hero/11839577

I'd like to be able to withstand Act 3 Inferno.

Haven't had much luck on AH to buy Crit Hit Damage Increase items. sad.gif


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post Sep 3 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Zelda85 @ Sep 3 2012, 03:33 PM)
What is de best skil set so far ??? anyone i can see your profile and copy ? ^^.
Btw i don have high AR...
only normal dps and normal HP o.0
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zelda-1697/
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i don't have high dps @ fancy item @ such but i can solo act3/4 quite comfortably with this setup
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/wanftw-6346/hero/19875773

QUOTE(iesnek @ Sep 3 2012, 03:58 PM)
Anyone can share with me how I can further improve my DH?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/iesnek-1377/hero/11839577

I'd like to be able to withstand Act 3 Inferno.

Haven't had much luck on AH to buy Crit Hit Damage Increase items. sad.gif
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stack up your dex & vit if u can. And resistance also(esp Fire resist) since most of the mobs in act3 have fire damage

and since u are using twin xbow setup the same as mine, find the one with socket & life steal (if can find those with
high dex & vit)
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post Sep 3 2012, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Sep 3 2012, 04:25 PM)
i don't have high dps @ fancy item @ such but i can solo act3/4 quite comfortably with this setup
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/wanftw-6346/hero/19875773
stack up your dex & vit if u can. And resistance also(esp Fire resist) since most of the mobs in act3 have fire damage

and since u are using twin xbow setup the same as mine, find the one with socket & life steal (if can find those with
high dex & vit)
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Thanks smile.gif


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post Sep 3 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Sep 3 2012, 04:25 PM)
i don't have high dps @ fancy item @ such but i can solo act3/4 quite comfortably with this setup
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/wanftw-6346/hero/19875773
stack up your dex & vit if u can. And resistance also(esp Fire resist) since most of the mobs in act3 have fire damage

and since u are using twin xbow setup the same as mine, find the one with socket & life steal (if can find those with
high dex & vit)
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i will try out your build tonight : )thanks ..
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post Sep 3 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Sep 3 2012, 04:25 PM)
i don't have high dps @ fancy item @ such but i can solo act3/4 quite comfortably with this setup
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/wanftw-6346/hero/19875773
stack up your dex & vit if u can. And resistance also(esp Fire resist) since most of the mobs in act3 have fire damage

and since u are using twin xbow setup the same as mine, find the one with socket & life steal (if can find those with
high dex & vit)
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lol your gear is good leh... dps 80k
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post Sep 3 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Sep 3 2012, 05:53 PM)
lol your gear is good leh... dps 80k
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I think its standard starting dh, can improve a lot.He did a great job if hes able to farm act3 with small loh.
Those dps are post sharpshooter, real dps should be half of that maybe.
The shoulder is good, though.

For me, I think loh is the most important factor for non-glass cannons.Without loh, you wont survive.

If youre getting dps from rings/amulet, there are many dps boosting affix to pick from attack speed, average dmg, crit chance, crit dmg and dexterirty.Dont search for trifecta, sure expensive.
Popular combo like crit chance+crit dmg oso try to avoid if you can.Those are the most expensive even as two affix.

For mortal players like us, less popoular combo like ias+cc or ias+cd are usually cheaper and more cost efficient for dps.Just remember to use dps calculator before you buy.
Can also try to search for sockets to substitute for dex.




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post Sep 3 2012, 07:23 PM

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oh yeah... with ss

dunno why people bother to waste a skillslot with ss...

for dh I am always torn between choices of other passive choices for the limit3d 3 slots
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post Sep 3 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Sep 3 2012, 07:23 PM)
oh yeah... with ss

dunno why people bother to waste a skillslot with ss...

for dh I am always torn between choices of other passive choices for the limit3d 3 slots
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i had to use SS, bcoz my life stealing resources depend on my tiny damage biggrin.gif
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post Sep 4 2012, 09:48 AM

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my dhus.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlacK-6389/hero/22858480

good enuff to solo play act3
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post Sep 4 2012, 10:35 AM

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i don't use SS. because it give me inconsistent damage . i prefer Archery + steady shoot . give me consistent damage .
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post Sep 4 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(nagflar @ Sep 4 2012, 10:35 AM)
i don't use SS. because it give me inconsistent damage . i prefer Archery + steady shoot . give me consistent damage .
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I want to jump in on the SS debate. For me ..as a bow user SS is not really a good choice. But I will use it if I am using a 2h xbow for the additional bonus on CD.
Stacking CD and CC up to 20% + SS is the easist way to boost the DPS.. if CC above 30%...can drop SS liao.
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post Sep 4 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(nagflar @ Sep 4 2012, 10:35 AM)
i don't use SS. because it give me inconsistent damage . i prefer Archery + steady shoot . give me consistent damage .
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I don't use SS too as I have >40% crit rate. But SS does not in anyway affects the damage, only the DPS shown on the char sheet (which is not accurate anyway).

It actually just increases the chance to crit, and that's all it does.
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Sep 4 2012, 02:11 PM)
I don't use SS too as I have >40% crit rate. But SS does not in anyway affects the damage, only the DPS shown on the char sheet (which is not accurate anyway).

It actually just increases the chance to crit, and that's all it does.
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hha i only looking at the critical damage on creep only , not sure is true or not . personal feel SS not worth a skill slot if u have high CC.
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post Sep 4 2012, 02:22 PM

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does every DH use vault now?
personally, i dont find it that useful. it has nice number of damage but i find that in most coop games (i rarely solo), these demon hunters are actually wasting too much time making an effort to run and vault around too much and die eventually.

nice trick if you dont die, but mostly it's too dangerous and time wasting. i would've killed the whole pack by then. dpsing is even much faster than trying to save discipline and run around to vault forward+backwards.
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Sep 4 2012, 02:19 PM)
hha i only looking at the critical damage on creep only , not sure is true or not . personal feel SS not worth a skill slot if u have high CC.
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Yup, you're right on where it's not worth it when you have high CC (above 30%).

Was just pointing out that SS will not affect damage dealt / critical damage dealt in any way; except boosting the chance to crit.


Added on September 4, 2012, 2:25 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Sep 4 2012, 02:22 PM)
does every DH use vault now?
personally, i dont find it that useful. it has nice number of damage but i find that in most coop games (i rarely solo), these demon hunters are actually wasting too much time making an effort to run and vault around too much and die eventually.

nice trick if you dont die, but mostly it's too dangerous and time wasting. i would've killed the whole pack by then. dpsing is even much faster than trying to save discipline and run around to vault forward+backwards.
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Yup. Some DH actually relied too much on vault as a damage dealer and dying too much from it. But if used wisely it'll be a great damage dealer (over a short period of time).

I use it as kiting-DPS skill or engage-DPS skill when first engaged in combat (Gloom+vault front&back > pack died / if not, kite a little or prep & re-gloom+vault.)


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QUOTE(Rahl @ Sep 3 2012, 02:21 PM)
Expensive.  sweat.gif  shakehead.gif
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It actually got cheaper to reach those stats since the mid-tier items dropped in price (more supplies).

Crit Chance: Helm, Bracers, Gloves, Quiver
AllRes: Chest, Belt, Pants, Shoe, Shoulders
VIT / DEX: Appropriate parts (e.g. search for 60dex 150vit 3socket chest, instead of 150dex 150 vit 3 socket which is ridiculously expensive, then top-up the dex from other parts; e.g. belt with 150 dex but no vit / low vit)
CritDamage: Amulet, Rings, Rings, Glove, and a bow with a socket.

Here are some tips posted by nightshade_nova back then:

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This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Sep 4 2012, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(paranoid @ Sep 4 2012, 02:22 PM)
does every DH use vault now?
personally, i dont find it that useful. it has nice number of damage but i find that in most coop games (i rarely solo), these demon hunters are actually wasting too much time making an effort to run and vault around too much and die eventually.

nice trick if you dont die, but mostly it's too dangerous and time wasting. i would've killed the whole pack by then. dpsing is even much faster than trying to save discipline and run around to vault forward+backwards.
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used to die often... but now I gungho vault in and clear the creeps like mad without dying.. its awesome...

share with u skills build and strategy later

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