How competitive do you want it to be? At ~120 Euro off iPhone 5 is not enough? On top of that, virtually every aspect, Lumia 920 wins an iPhone 5 hands down. Cheaper than iPhone, better specs, still not satisfied?

Then might as well ask them to give out for free.

Just because I find it to be reasonable and all of a sudden I work for Elop?

Seriously, if a new flagship phone with all that features and CHEAPER than an iPhone 5 is not reasonable, then I don't know what is. You're paying for what's worth, not shiny logo.

Edit: And before you do your rebuttal, the comparison was made against iPhone 5 32GB in Germany, priced at € 739.00 whereas Lumia 920 is priced at € 649.00, that's € 90.00 cheaper. Please bear in mind that comparison was made relative to iPhone 5, not direct conversion from Euro as that would not be accurate because they include VAT (up to as much as 15%), we don't.

Hence, like I said previously, until US prices are out, I won't lay my hammer just yet. As it looks, it's still pretty reasonable for the spec.

I wasn't even answering your post to begin with. It was directed at someone else who asked for it to be more competitive hence the question, how much more competitive do you want it to be?

Seriously, better specs, cheaper than iPhone 5, still not competitive enough? Then tell me, at what point do you feel it's competitive?

And as for the statement about it being reasonable, I was referring to Lumia 920 being comparatively cheaper than the iPhone 5.

You didn't make it clear, but in any case, that's my style of talking 

People jump to conclusions too quickly. I'm not here to defend Nokia or anything. I'm more to pointing people to the right direction, hence I used comparative pricing, relative to iPhone 5's prices in the said regions. So if Nokia were to launch at 2.4k, iPhone 5 will launch at 2.8k, using the conversion, but we can't do that.

Euro prices is never a safe benchmark to determine local price. Their VATs are crazy. It's best to wait for US price to make judgement.

If Nokia's local distributor is still having any sense, they won't announce a price over RM2.2k(even if international price are higher). In fact I can safely bet that the local sale are going to be poor if it is priced over RM2k.

Anything higher than that will make the phone hardly can sell.

Nobody is willing to buy a Nokia at RM2.4k. At least not for local(where Apple & Samsung pretty much covered the whole market).

In short, what I mean is:
They can try with RM2k+ pricing, but they better be ready/eventually forced to lower down the price.

Nokia Symbian user here (N8) and was going for Lumia WP7 / 8 but now sticking to 808

Just want to express some rather disappointing opinion on the flagship 920, (Later anyone can bash me but I will ignore )

Was really hope for the rumor 21MP but get lower spec instead. Anyway, like the OIS feature but really doubt the low light capability even with this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOlvQ4NFu4 or this article - http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-9...light-shootout/

To me it seems like the 920 do some trick by use flash first to pre-capture the image before finalize the output. Others also hint that the camera default mode is set closely to night mode with low shutter speed (Never seen any daylight picture yet and moving object looks blur). The comparison with other phone with their default auto mode also not that fair. I played with S3 and HTC 1X camera before, they don't perform that bad at low light environment with some tweaking. 808 simply blow away competition with creative setting. Anyone here will be that dumb to not change their camera scene mode in line with the environment ?

The wireless charging feature to me is abit of joke. Wireless to me is able to charge the phone with > 3 meter or more away from the charger port, not putting directly on top of the charger port. What is the different then by just plugging a cable from the already near charger ? The charging port itself is as big as the phone which is abit cumbersome to carry and a proprietary product (which mean you can't charge using any usb cable or car charger).

All these are just marketing gimmick feature. Though, the PureMotion HD and super sensitive screen is impressive.

Finally, the price.... http://www.lowyat.net/v2/index.php?option=...d=7409&Itemid=1

Too expensive to compete with other flagship phone, most likely more than RM2.2k when it reach Malaysia.

Not too optimistic about WP8 phone.

The general public doesn't know how to change the camera scenes, unfortunately. Put simply, I'd much rather want a camera that just works right out of the box and I believe many people share the same thoughts too. Comparatively, the L920's camera does indeed blow competitors' offerings out of the water, especially under low light environment. So L920 gets my thumbs up for that.

2.4k can get a new lumia 800+pureview 808

The way i see it. People keep complaining about the price is going to be high or whatever. First of all they havent release official pricing in Malaysia. And secondly, imagine if Apple or Samsung came up with the same spec that Lumia 920 has and price it much higher, people will call it revolution or technological advancement or some other crap and line up to buy it. Just think its not fair people commenting and trying to bring down nokia so much for the offerings their giving. Not to mention the specialised apps and services exclusive for Lumia phones only.

damn prolly the psu and gpu will surely effect the laggy-ness right ?
ill still go for wp8 although theres not much demand on the apps
and the accesories. true bummer  
but the wireless charging. salute ma maann

just because Apple said its "pointless" now the entire herd is saying that its pointless?

its not that its more like i am passionate in hating apple. I cannot forgive a company to use $$$$ to promote bully in school. They did that for $$$$ via tv add . the PC vs MAC ad!!

GG, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I been waiting so long for wat ..

820 ahhhhhhhhhh ..

call Nokia service, they said no idea, priced around also no idea.

Wired: The tagline of the Nokia Lumia 920 and 820 announcement was “Switch to Lumia.” Why somebody would actually make the switch from, say, an iPhone to a Windows Phone. Features? Pricing?

Elop: I think you don’t start at all in these markets with a pricing proposition. Starting with “because it’s cheaper” is not a good approach. You have to lead with how it’s better or differentiated or is going to allow you to do certain things that you haven’t been able to do before. So I use the example a lot of low-light photography. Go to that rock concert or go to your kid’s band performance and try to take a great picture. I can tell you on your iPhone in your bag, there are hundreds of pictures that are a bit blurry or a bit crappy. That’s been a problem for all of us in the smartphone industry, but it’s a problem we’ve solved with the 920.

That's what they did with Lumia 610 and later a Lumia 510.

Because of Lumia 610 (or a variant of it), WP7's sales in China is greater than iOS.

Try not to start an argument here please, I'm not a hardcore fan of any phone like you.
You can look up into their facebook and see yourself for the fake contest and how they bash other phone brands.

If you think their presentation is good, ok fine, I get it.

If you think that is a good way, then I have no reason to argue with you since you will always think it's good.

The win a Lumia 920 contest by writing something that will impress Nokia 
They picked a winner that wrote more than 255 words.
And picked others that bash other phone brands as a winner

http://www.facebook.com/nokia/app_210267599041645 

from out of nowhere.... lumia 810 
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/08/t-mobil...ely-in-the-u-s/