Well not sure which is true but there are reports suggesting that sources at both clubs said that Liverpool didn't even submit a bid.

Let's not get all disappointed here, Dempsey ain't world beater and some of our fans' desperation for him shows how low we have fallen. Maybe BR felt that 6m for a 29yo isn't worth it? Would signing Clint have automatically propelled us back to top 4? No. Were you people really thinking that BR is a miracle worker? If he felt that this is not the signing we need then wouldn't it be better to save those funds for the future when there might be better options out there.

Yup and I guess Morgan too even though I feel he isn't quite ready. We are indeed desperate for a striker but it doesn't mean we should spend blindly too so yeah January window maybe? I would rather have BR continue scouting for bargains.

Not having the money to buy and unwilling to spend the money on something are 2 different things, we may never know what went on behind the scenes but ESPN sources said that there weren't any bids from us for Dempsey so its probably true we weren't even interested so stop blaming FSG. They sanctioned big ass transfer fees last season and they still spent quite a bit this summer, we are not Chelsea/City and this is not fantasy football! I believe the only target BR had eyes on was Sturridge but since Chelsea couldn't get Schurrle in, we didn't get our man too.

Missing out on Dempsey might not be that bad at all. Yes we need help upfront but maybe BR has his sight on some better targets he has plans for in the future. The main objective this summer was to trim wage bill and we've done that. It's a long term project BR is working on, stop being so short-sighted, even with Dempsey on board it wouldn't guarantee us a top 6 finish. He is no Messi and he is 29 this year, what future?!

Anyone read that Rafa wanted to sign Falcao for 3m but "you know who" didn't wanna provide the funds and he went to Porto instead? How sad.

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And yet signing Dempsey or any other players linked with us for that matter won't guarantee us banging in goals either. IF BR did sign Dempsey and he's not scoring goals, Captain Hindsight fans will come criticizing BR saying he should've gotten us a creative player. Whatever it is, so much damage has been done in our last few regimes BR will need time to plug those holes step by step and we will be bound to mid table mediocrity for a couple more seasons.

I agree. Good midfielders are essential for passing play to work. Maybe BR is focusing on midfield department first then maybe forwards next summer. Rafa too did not build his team in 1 transfer window.

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Don't think so. There is a buyout clause inserted and I believe West Ham paid a certain amount of loan fee. It doesn't make sense to pay if we can recall whenever we wish to so...

"Dempsey, who had declared himself unavailable to play for Fulham this season, had turned down a move to Aston Villa earlier on Friday. Liverpool were later reported to have failed with an offer, although ESPN had been informed that was not the case."

It might be true or it might just be the media. It is unless you were directly involved in Liverpool's transfer dealings or we may never know. But apart from Dempsey, Borini 10m, Allen 15m, Assaidi 2.5m, Yesil 1m, Sahin reported loan fee of 4m, that's over 30m which as bad as suggested.

It is known that we have a substantially high wage bill with a bunch of underperforming players, I don't see anything wrong with clearing some deadwoods. Both Maxi and Bellamy wanted to return to their hometown clubs. Aurelio released due to poor injury records. Aquilani was pretty much unwanted by every manager since Rafa. Adam failed to impress and now that we are loaded in midfield it makes sense to sell him. Kuyt left because he was unhappy of not playing regularly last season and part of him wants to take on a new challenge. Whilst Carroll wants to stay with us he also wants to play regularly to reignite his form which we can't guarantee, maybe trimming his fat wage was a consideration there. Carroll is the only one who I think shouldn't have gone out.

With FFP coming you can't expect FSG to spend like City and Chelsea can you? If it was true that we offered up to 4-5m for a season loan for Sahin and 70-80% of his wage then that alone is a pretty significant investment to be honest. Why not blame the previous regime for wasting all that money when we had them instead of asking for more money when our investment failed to bear fruits. And for those calling for youngsters to be given a chance, this is it?

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: Sep 1 2012, 06:56 PM

Probably why BR insists on selling him. Some players just wouldn't be as effective if they weren't made the focal point of their attack. Even a player of Torres' quality struggled at Chelsea.

BR did say that they made an enquiry long ago and Fulham said no bid came in so its obvious we don't think the asking price is worth it. Our lack of interest till the end of the window is evident of our lack of interest and that he is not our main target. I believe our main target is Sturridge but since Chelsea couldn't get someone in too, the deal felled through.

For all the people pointing that we were 1-2m away from signing Dempsey, some even quoted a precise 1m. Seriously? You work for the club? You were directly involved in the deal? Don't judge if you don't know the truth. It could have been more or as ESPN quoted we didn't even make a bid! Or Fulham waited till the last minute when Spurs came in then they chose to close all negotiations with us due to grudge because they knew Dempsey was desperate to get out and Spurs is his final option.

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Too static in the final 3rd. Often when players are making forward and diagonal runs, the person in midfield with the ball just stands and looks till someone closes him down and he passes it back. Just wasting time and ball. Notice how most players look so lost in the opposition half? We can only pass when no ones around, when someone closes in on them, they can't do shit.

We don't know how to create chances. How many clear cut chances were there? None!

Well at least we know if we continue to play like that for the rest of the season, Sahin most definitely won't be staying. And we can kiss Sterling & Allen goodbye because those 2 definitely deserve better teammates than what they have now.

Nope, the recalling clause usually only applies for younger players when you send him out on loan for experience for free and maybe the loaning club paying wages only. Carroll's loan involves a loan fee so it wouldn't make sense for that clause to be inserted. If you lease out a property at a fee will the other person be willing to accept the fact that you can recall at any time? If I borrow you a pen for 10 bux for 10 days but I recall it on day 2, does it make sense?

Oh oh and then there's signing Dirk Kuyt instead of Dani Alves, yes Kuyt has been a loyal servant but Alves is in my opinion the best wing back out there and that was when he was at his peak. And then H&G's refusal to grant Rafa funds for Jovetic. Perhaps signing Downing instead of Mata was there up for grabs.

If you think Houllier's days were a long way back, it goes even further back The legendary Michael Laudrup was due to sign for Liverpool in 1983 on a 3 year contract, but Liverpool at the last minute changed the contract to 4 years and Michael decided not to join and joined Juventus instead.

It's blunders like these that made us where we are today. At an era of globalization where all the big clubs and big club wannabes are cashing in on marketing potential, we were sitting back taking a chill pill basking ourselves in our long but diminishing glory.

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Added on September 3, 2012, 2:24 pmVery true, also what sets Stevie apart from Sahin and Allen is his physicality. We saw how both Sahin and Allen were easily outmuscled by Diaby. Stevie's tackles aren't bad either. Great players always have to adapt as they age, Scholes & Giggs did that part well.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: Sep 3 2012, 02:24 PM

Yup no matter how bleak the future looks we gotta look forward and hope for the best. This time around Allen is looking like a great signing while Borini is the opposite. Hit and miss

Yup that is true but at least u are paying more for something in return rather than paying half that amount for nothing in return. Aguero's wage of lets say 160k is worth it considering he won City the title while Carroll's 80k got us an 8th place finish. If finishing 8th is what I wanted I could've gotten another player for far cheaper than 35m and 80k per week.

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Have to agree with that. It is as if we can no longer attract top players so we are trying to pretend to still be a big club by paying big money big wages for sub-par players to create the impression that we are signing top players.

Doubt Owen is the one we need. He no longer has that pace to get past defenders when he was scoring for fun for us. If you want him to score you will need to put it on the plate for him, clear cut opportunities right in front of the goal with only the goalie to beat. He offers nothing constructive to our overall play.

Drogba on the other hand is a dominating presence, he can both score and create. Unlike Carroll, Drogba knows how to make use of skill, off the ball movement and a little pace on the ball. He can still be good without the need of players pumping the ball to him. But his super high wages might be a big obstacle. I doubt he would sign for us for significantly less pay and for all his love for Chelsea.

This post has been edited by Cloud0890: Sep 3 2012, 04:35 PM

Yeah that makes more sense. Maybe he can teach Suarez and Borini the art of scoring.

But a summer window which brought in three young, but significantly talented starters in Joe Allen, Nuri Sahin and Fabio Borini as well as two exciting young potential stars of the future - Samed Yesil and Oussama Assaidi - could hardly be deemed a failure as we build for the future.

In Brendan Rodgers we have a talented young manager and we have valued highly his judgement about the make-up of the squad. This is a work in progress. It will take time for Brendan to instill his philosophy into the squad and build exactly what he needs for the long term.

We have been successful in improving the commercial side of the club and the monies generated going forward will give us greater spending power in the coming years.

We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership. It has been a harsh education, but make no mistake, the club is healthier today than when we took over.

Spending is not merely about buying talent. Our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid-table place with expensive, short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years.

There will be short-term setbacks from time to time, but we believe we have the right people in place to bring more glory to Anfield.

Lots of good points there. Some fans are just too quick to turn their back of managers and owners.