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 Perodua Kenari User Club V2, A Different Point Of View

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tommi88
post Sep 18 2014, 02:13 PM

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Guys,

Has anyone in here upgraded their stock brake disc rotor to slotted/cross drilled disc rotor? found some sellers selling IMP Performance Disc Rotor and im quite interested in it. Is it a good upgrade over the stock rotor?

Please advise.

Thank you.
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post Sep 24 2014, 02:44 PM

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Dear vinod,

Problems can be solved if you are able to find a honest and experience mechanic to do the job. If job is done properly, the car can last you for another at least 3 years (daihatsu/perodua parts are quite tough) without any major issue. i would highly suggest you to look around for a good mechanic and ask their opinion on the problems that you're facing. if you're willing to spend, you may search the forum for a workshop called maddrivers garage in this forum.

My kenari was bought 2nd hand as well and the previous owner sent his car to this workshop for a full overhaul which cost him RM 5000. But get this, once done, the shop gives you 3 years warranty for the engine after the overhaul provided you go back to this shop for maintenance throughout the 3 years. Personally, this shop does a very good job as the engine is very healthy and very powerful. I would say it works as good as original despite my mileage has reached 136k.

It really depends on your budget though. If you're not willing to spend on repairs, you may consider to change car as well.
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post Sep 24 2014, 03:50 PM

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Well, we do not want to lose another kenari owner as it is getting lesser nowadays. Iriz and Axia are two very good cars to choose but both of them are not so nice to play with in terms of modification. With kenari, there are endless things you can do with it. Even choices of engine to play are abundant.

But at the end, is really up to you whether you wanna keep the kenari or change to a newer car. A thing to highlight is that for Axia, maintenance will be higher than kenari due to the engine only can take fully synthetic engine oil grade which cost more than semi. Worth noting. =D

This post has been edited by tommi88: Sep 24 2014, 03:51 PM
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post Oct 7 2014, 03:24 PM

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anybody would like to have a TT session in kepong/PJ area?
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post Oct 19 2014, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Move2u @ Oct 17 2014, 11:40 PM)
well, when TT session? im waiting..
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Can we set it on the next Saturday night in PJ area?

QUOTE(v1n0d @ Oct 18 2014, 07:29 PM)
Took my car in for a tyre rotation today, and discovered that the left side lower arm needed replacement. Figured I might as well bring forward my year-end repair plans and went all out. Replaced by absorbers + mountings + springs, brake discs + pads, lower arm + bushes, and some other small stuff. sweat.gif
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Wow! How much it cost you for all the repairs?

QUOTE(lclun @ Oct 19 2014, 09:48 PM)
Hi guys, sorry for the late reply.

Got my car fixed at a workshop near Bkt Jalil. Feel so good with everything is working again especially the remote wink.gif
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Wow! That's good news to our ears. Hehe.
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post Oct 21 2014, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(Move2u @ Oct 20 2014, 10:54 PM)
tommi88. no problem PJ area. how about guy here?
anyone join??
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Maybe around TTDI area perhaps?

QUOTE(v1n0d @ Oct 21 2014, 08:05 AM)
Anyone using anti-roll bars? Any significant difference on a Kenari?
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I am using 4 point front strut bar, 19 mm rear anti roll bar and rear upper adjustable strut bar. Cornering is much better.

QUOTE(jaesern @ Oct 21 2014, 08:16 AM)
yea i'm fine on Sat night, any exact location in mind?
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post Oct 21 2014, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Oct 21 2014, 11:47 AM)
Oh I understand that bit, my question is if there's any significant difference, specifically on the Kenari. My concern here is to avoid installing it if the improvement is negligible.
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If you want significant difference in handling, you can opt to install the rear anti roll bar first as it provides the most significant improvement among all the other bar. Whether 16 or 19 mm is up to your budget.
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post Oct 23 2014, 06:30 AM

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Sorry guys. I can't make it this sat as I have something to attend to. You guys may go ahead.
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post Oct 27 2014, 10:40 AM

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anyone available to TT this friday in TTDI area? =D
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post Oct 28 2014, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(GTXRunner17 @ Oct 28 2014, 01:43 AM)
hi! mine is kenari 1000cc standard(not aerosport).where is good,cheap and recommended place to repair/service kenari? my car have this underpower problem.feels so heavy.been to perodua.no difference at all.im thinking to replace the air filter with air filter kon and use the spiral fan.does anybody know about this 'K2N' things they put at the engine? for save petrol and pickup.

for kenari,how many inch rim can be fitted? i mean i dont want the tyre looks like the 4x4 car means the tyre out from the body.i want it just nice and big rim but light.can i use 15 or 16 inch? is it underpower after change? and the tyre i want it wide.

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so long as you can find a trustable mechanic which is convenient to you, shouldnt be any problem in maintaining your car as kenari does not need much special care like conti cars. you may use 10W30 or 5W30 engine oil grade to maintain optimum care for your car engine. replacing cone air filter with spiral fan doesnt contribute much to performance as many of them who have changed to cone air filter suffers from higher FC. money is better well spent on drop in filter.

as for rims, best fitting is actually 14 inches for kenari. no need to worry on hitting fenders when ferrying more passengers. if u wanna go 15 inches, better u fit sport spring and be prepared to sacrifice road comfort. Also, you do not have much choices for tyres as you need to find 175/50/15 sizes.


QUOTE(jimmychoo75 @ Oct 28 2014, 07:42 AM)
If "S" brand is no good for kenari, then what brand u recommend? Near my house & office got "B" brand. Maybe I try out first.
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so far i am using B brand and returns about 230km on average with RM 40 worth of fuel and 70% of my driving time is city area with alot of start stop traffic. btw, my car is manual aerosport.

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post Oct 28 2014, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(jimmychoo75 @ Oct 28 2014, 08:45 PM)
Good advice. I am actually planning to go for cone air filters coz my original air intake hose broke off and fell off the road. Think I will now go for drop in filters + look for replacement for my broken air intake hose.
I saw somewhere in Lelong.com some guy selling "Works Engineering" drop in filter for kenari at around RM140.. Is it a good buy?
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Yup. Drop in filter are more suitable for road use as cone filter are prone to dust. Hence, you need to wash them more regularly to maintain optimum airflow. Not sure about works engineering air filter as I am using K&N drop in filter for my car. You may read more reviews from other car clubs about it or ask any sifu in here that are using them. But I heard it is more easy to maintain than K&N one's as they can be washed using plain soap water. K&N filter will need to use the cleaning kit.
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:18 PM

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what about others?
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post Oct 29 2014, 04:50 PM

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Then we shall postpone it till further notice. =(
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(jaesern @ Oct 29 2014, 08:03 PM)
count me out, i will have touge to Genting on this Fri night.
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wow! so nice. cant touge now as need to replace brake pads and spark plugs first. =(
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:29 PM

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btw @jaesern, i saw your signature you're selling TNA disc brake for kenari. is it a good upgrade over stock disc?
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post Oct 30 2014, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(jaesern @ Oct 30 2014, 01:57 AM)
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you guys can try luck at at Brothers outlet to see if they still keep old stock for it...

yes ALL Kenari is fuel injection engine.
it's just standard oe replacement. reason why you need to replace new disc is because the disc have a recommended minimum thickness, anything below the min thickness may caused vibration when applying brakes, overheat (as the disc have not enough 'space' to keep the heat) and reduce in brake performance. that's all i think of for now.

i'm running on Myvi front brakes, TNA disc which the one i'm selling and Mintex (not Mintye!) brake pad. rear brakes converted from Nissan Pulsar, running on FBK brake pad. then currently running on semi slick tire all round.
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well noted. but quite a setup for your braking system on your car. and semi slicks as well. may i know is the grip level very low during wet road conditions? what tyres and the size that you're using?

QUOTE(v1n0d @ Oct 30 2014, 08:48 AM)
Thanks! Will pay them a visit one of these days.

Are you using rear disc brakes? When I changed my front discs, I inquired about converting the rear to discs and the mechanic advised against doing so. Was just wondering if this is true, and if so, why.
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i believe your mechanic has his own reasons for saying that. but technically, i believe there is nothing against converting to rear disc brake. the problem is that you need to find the rear disc brake from some cars that fits to our kenari without much customization involved. also, u need to find a good fabricator to custom the brackets and stuff to mount the brake pistons and stuff and the mechanic must know what is he doing. unless you're transplanting K3-VET and going for higher horsepower thereafter, i dont think it is wise money spent to convert the rear drums to disc brake as myvi brake kit for the front will be more than sufficient for our EJ-DE engine. if you wanna further from there, once you have installed myvi brake kit you may consider to upgrade to better disc brake and brake pad.
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post Oct 30 2014, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Oct 30 2014, 09:21 AM)
Noted. He mentioned something about the handbrake not being as strong after a conversion to disc brakes, but I didn't ask for further clarification.
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he is right, i also heard about this as well. Once you have converted to disc brake, the hand brake strength is not as strong as your drum brakes. technically, i'm not sure why. need some sifu for further clarification on this.

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post Oct 31 2014, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(jaesern @ Oct 31 2014, 02:12 AM)
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sorry for the super long reply...

whole conversion was actually done around two years back when i have no choice but to do it, rear brakes gave me problem first, realize it's not functioning and my mechanic suggest me to replace brake shoe, it works, but only last me one to two months before the problem came back. then after all kind of testing and inspecting, still couldn't get it done, i got fed up and forgot about it after some time...

i thought it's ok since front brake is still functioning until one day front brake caliper is jammed, my Ferodo brake pad finished in less then 10kkm. no choice i have to do something about it, got myself a set of Myvi brake set, totally plug n play into Kenari without modify anything.

was so happy until when i start to drive it hard and realize because the rear brake not working, the front locked up too easily even dry road. another no choice but to fork out few hundreds ringgit to get the rear to work, ended up with my current rear disc brake. the rear disc brake i get to bought is already converted to direct fit Kenari, modification was done by supplier, buy then plug n play.

currently my rear disc brake served as normal brake + hand brake. yes as you guys mentioned, it's not so good after the conversion, scared you to shit especially when the brake pad is new because it haven't run in. been running it for two years, i would say not too bad, still manage to park the car at slope with handbrake only, but don't think much people can put down the handbrake as i need to pull it to very high position. and also, car won't even slow down with just the handbrake compare to drum brake if using disc brake. i came to this summary:

CLARIFICATION on why handbrake on rear brake disc conversion not as good as original drum brake:
1. new brake pad. brake pad needs to run in before fully works. from my experience, give it a 5k~10kkm...
2. the end of handbrake cable X rear brake caliper is not allowed to have freeplay.
3. naturally handbrake by drum works better then disc.

i'm running on ATR K-Sport, two size available, 165/55R14 (stock Kenari size) and 165/50R15. i'm using the 14" Myvi SE rim. if you're into real performance, get this tire, but, life spend of this tire is half or even lesser then standard road tire. i had a pair changed on early of March this year, another pair on July ago. one of the pair need to replace i think around CNY next year  sweat.gif

CLARIFICATION on semi slick tire
1. it's legal (because no one say it's not illegal).
2. semi slick is alright under the wet condition, with three condition: 1. keeps your eye open real big, don't drive over standing water puddle on high speed, let say 60km/h on 1" standing water puddle?  2. tire thread is used to expelled the water from beneath the tire, it works the same like standard road tire, without tire thread either on standard road tire or semi slick, you're in deep shit. so don't put the blame on semi slick.  3. ask me on TT  brows.gif

again, sorry for the super long reply...  rclxub.gif
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i like reading long reply as more details are written and more knowledge can be gained from there. haha!

i was thinking to replace to ATR K-Sport for my next tyre change but i believe it is quite scary to drive it during wet conditions as i cant go more than 60 kmh. Better use back my Kumho SPT for next change as i am quite satisfied with this tyre.

i think we should come out for a TT session to learn more from each other. haha! smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

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post Oct 31 2014, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(jaesern @ Oct 31 2014, 12:31 PM)
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It's more like I'm writing a journal on my experience... Lol!

Some Say Kumho SPT is better then K-Sport, but myself not too sure as I never use SPT before. But one thing for sure is SPT works better K-Sport during wet condition.

Yea, TT anytime, just let me know in advance, alternatively, I'll be at Genting tonight...

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You should be using 165/60R13 or 165/60R14 now. I'll suggest you to change to Myvi rim, quite durable compare to stock Kenari rim. And you can save a bit on fuel consumption as thinker tire you're running now mean more effort to run the car, same theory like you're using bigger rim.
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Journal is good, can share your knowledge with us here. Anyway, the purpose of this club is to gather all our knowledge and share with each other about our rides.

Personally, SPT is quite impressive in wet for this price range. I have drove up to Genting in drenched condition and it was night time (it was raining so heavily that i had to put my wiper speed to the fastest) and i didnt feel afraid going through the corners and i was driving quite spirited. But i read from other forum that SPT is quite noisy. For me it is at acceptable level. Probably different people will have different expectations on sound though.

QUOTE(v1n0d @ Oct 31 2014, 12:53 PM)
Should be the 165/60R14 then, as I'm on 14" rims. I changed from the original Kenari set to generic sport rims together with the tires, in Feb this year. Opted for 14" over 13" as there are more tire choices for 14".
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Yup, 14 inch has more options for tyres. but thicker tyre will increase the fuel consumption as the rolling distance is bigger. Did you feel any increment in your FC?
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post Nov 1 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Nov 1 2014, 01:35 PM)
Slightly, yes. I don't really mind it though, comfort > all. No point having a car you can't stand being in. wink.gif
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Agreed. But does it hit your fender when you're going through humps?


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