hhmmmmmm....

i dont think that's totally true that people from one company talk to another. bring own people might be true. I dont think a shell staff would be talking to another guy in total...when you talk bad about sonmeone, it is you who someone will judge first

then what do you think ?

so ? what you are saying is just like any general situation. then what's the difference between what you said and what i think ? are you disqualifying what i think just because you work there ?

how about common sense ?

Noyze, obviously you are an experience guy in terms of comparing the pros and cons with all the main oil and gas companies. So, do you mind to say out the pros and cons for shell and exxon ?

it will be a very invaluable information.

you mean you dont ?

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Sep 23 2011, 12:52 PM

your complicated answer doesnt help.

[quote=Macca,Sep 23 2011, 11:11 PM]
Wow..interesting thread here discussing 2 major O&G companies in Malaysia...Shell and Exxon...

As far as i know people who work in Exxon (offshore personnel), they are looking for jobs with other up and coming smaller operators such as Petrofac, Talisman, CPOC, Carigali-Hess as those companies are attracting experience offshore people to their company...many ex exxon and shell are working wit these companies nowadays..

Heard Talisman is paying RM250/day offshore allowances (14-14 basis) and if fully comply 14 days,you get 15days allowances...CPOC is paying RM350/day offshore allowances to work in their gas platform...the allowances i mentioned is for prod tech but all these subject to experience and position so may get higher if higher position...

1 bad thing is these companies want you to perform in your job directly after hired...they wont train you up slowly like shell and exxon did...

again,my comment is only refer to production tech or personnel working offshore and not office based people/higher management...

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Added on September 23, 2011, 11:18 pm[quote=Noyze,Sep 21 2011, 12:10 PM]
Oh believe you me... Shell is NOT an equal opportunity employer.. Oh wait a sec? !NONE of the O&G companies are!! we claim we are but we're not?! why? cos we bring our OWN people in! hehe hence the big industry but small community concept. If you are BAD the rest will know and if you are GOOD the others will know too! hehehe.

So b careful who's toes you tread on. Cos in O&G we talk a lot.. why? cos we have the luxury of time to kick back and relax..

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200% Agree with this statement...maybe out of 100%, only 20% is hired due to extraordinary performances/excellent academics for freshy/scholarhip holders...the rest are like the family members/fren's sons&daughters/frens recommendation of the higher management...im not saying that these ppl are not good but definitely they somesort got the passport to at least attend the interview or get an easier chance to get the job and prove themselves...for ppl who don know who,is hard to even get a chance to prove yourself though sometimes you are good...

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talk about shell & exxon lah, dont talk about others.....hehehe, unfortunately nobody know the comparison for a particular job group and it's salary group range

what happen to Miri ?

u work in exxon before ? and you work in shell before ?

between, you worked for shell before ?

i thought the call center already outsource ? under eds/hp

huh ? since when Emerio come into the picture ? I thought Emerio or which ever third party is last time before SITI was being outsource. Now that shell has outsource the infrastructure, they just push it to eds...

when was that ? dont think it's applicable now...

relocation allowance are REALLY gone for new hires. Only existing staff gets it.

and for existing staff, the relocation also cut quite a lot i heard, around almost 50%

I guess a lot of things are starting to "dried up". So, now their package are almost on-par with some of the best pay master from other indsutry...

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Nov 21 2011, 07:08 PM

the name, the duration(more longer but lesser amount) and quantum is the one applicable for existing staff....i may be wrong.

DHL is competitive in their salaries but their benefit might lose out a bit...so it really depends on what you are looking. But they are also a global company, with opportunties for travel and international assignment, especially to Germany. ( but of course not for call canter )

This post has been edited by shaquenator: Nov 22 2011, 09:40 AM

When you look at offer, you must look it as a package, working environment and not segregate between basic and benefits ( allowances, claims,...). So comparing using multiple factors will enable you not to regret your choice in future. also, it's best to ensure that the HR organization in that company is not robotically attached to processes(you can feel it by the way they talk) and motivated by their KPI, and not people friendly. Not many company have good HR people...

the pros and cons, you need to negotiate, else the HR wont be bothering to even tell you, mmaybe too many candidate to talk to, each with different package mind you. when you refer to shell, actually you have to understand shell is 1 shell from the outside, but inside, it consists of different organization, which all work under 1 company name. the one that is in cyberjaya, I doubt it is highly competitive now(unless you are applying for positions with many years experience requirements)...just the same as any other multinational that can be offered in KL, as it is a shared service company...i dont think many who left there regret their decisions

u mean you are 1 month in shell in cyber ?