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post Aug 12 2013, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 12 2013, 07:45 PM)
Did what you had just done last year... everything was "doom and gloom", and was completely lost on what to do next, so cut lost, did a retreat and bunker down... live to fight another day!  laugh.gif

The main question is WHEN to get back into battle. I don't think everyone will have the same opinion on the exact moment, the best feng shui time to make the audacious move... so what I did was to take baby steps and tenderly test where the land mines are hidden. Maybe you're different and have the patient to wait and do a coup de grace in one major assault.

As to what vehicles and weapons to employ, the EPF money cannot buy imports. Only made-in-Malaysia ones. Oh, you already knew this... and most likely a lot of other stuff too, since I was not aware that Flitch would unexpectedly made the downgrade before this year's budget... sorry for the long winded post.

But with the ringgit down, it would be more expensive now than several months ago, to buy foreign imports.

Cheers.

PS. Maybe you could get more specify opinions if there is something more specify to discuss.
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JPB,

There will never be a good time to go in. Market is highly unpredictable and it is a waste of time to use your time and resources to time the market. Professional investors have long abandon the concept of timing the market. They has given that mantle to dubious charlatans, snake oil sellers and used car sellers.

The best way is select funds that has good risk adjusted performance (e.g. Above average Sharpe ratio) and DCA consistently and diligently. You may use Morning Star table as a reference. They are quite good.

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I just came back from a fund-manager briefing and no it is not from Public Mutual but from lesser know fund house.

Some take home message:

i) Underweight Malaysian equities (read not avoid, but reduce it esp index linked due to expensive valuation). However, I think M'sia mid to small cap deserve some exposure.

ii) Overweight Asia-Pac equities (aka increase your allocation here)

iii) Overweight US equities slowly but watch out for US Treasury news come Mid -Sep for clearer pricture on QE stoppage and other economic data.

iv) Overweight China and Japan equities. There are no fund that specifically target Japan share, but if you enter Global fund, you should get some exposure from it.

v) Underweight bonds in general.

vi) Keep some (around 10 to 15%) in money market because OPR will be forecasted to rise.

Live well and prosper.

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post Aug 13 2013, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 12 2013, 10:13 PM)
Xuzen,

hehe, it's not easy giving advice/suggestions on a forum, as we can only assume where the other party is coming from, or heading to... it can also be contradictory at times; it's confusing having DDI plans or DCA advice on one hand, and on the other hand giving advices on what market to overweight/underweight.  biggrin.gif

What market to overweight/underweight this month or next month is market timing too.

Without knowing where the other party is coming from or heading to... even a simple DCA method could have various meanings to him/her, for example regularly invest everyday, every week, ever fortnight... or regularly top up whenever it dip below a certain NAV price.

This is a true example, not out of thin air... as earlier in the year, I believed I have had done enough DCA by switching into an equity fund (using low-load bond units) every week for 2 months. Then 3 months later, another round of DCA, switching almost every day for a period of 2 weeks. (Is it good or bad? Only I would know since nobody except me have the whole picture/story/reason behind the action.  biggrin.gif )

Cheers.
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Sigh, yeah.... sorry to confuse you mate. My post #1435 is meant to be read in two parts. First part was in direct answer to your question.

Second part was just for the purpose of disseminating info about what I heard from a fund manager.

Sorry to confuse you.

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post Aug 17 2013, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 17 2013, 12:54 AM)
0.25% already not attractive, want to increase to 1% some more?
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Go buy bond fund at FSM or Phillip Mutual Berhad (PMB) @ zero sales charge.

Some of the good bond fund include AMIncome Plus, KAF Bond, Eastspring Bond are at zero sales charge.

Pub-Mut... go fly kite lar.

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post Aug 17 2013, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 17 2013, 11:49 AM)
From a PM agent himself laugh.gif  rclxms.gif
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Pinky, I am investor first, agent second.

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post Aug 17 2013, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 17 2013, 05:34 PM)
I invest in Pnb's ASx product, fixed price fund with stable return of 6.x%, tax exempted.
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Cheahcw2003, I have issues with schemes like this.

These type of collective investment schemes are not transparent at all. For example, you do not know what is the true value of the unit price. Your unit is forever priced at RM 1.00. Even though market go up, your unit price is still RM 1.00, isn't it silly? Say the market goes up 20% and you wish to sell the units, what price do you get? RM 1.00, how come not RM 1.20?

OK, you may argue that when market down you still can sell at RM 1.00. Now, let's turn the table and ask, should market drop 20%, you want to top up, how come you still pay RM 1.00/unit, not RM 0.80/unit?

Furthermore you also cannot evaluate the performance of the fund manager since there is no benchmark, i.e., you cannot scientifically evaluate the performance of the manager either. And don't compare this to FD because you have to compare apple to apple; orange to orange.

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post Aug 24 2013, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(garfield007 @ Aug 23 2013, 08:27 PM)
Epf dun want people take out money to invest fund, gov need money to roll...
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I have just made another withdrawal from my KWSP a/c 1 a couple of months ago.... I have no issues with KWSP so far. Their service is fast and efficient.

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post Aug 29 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Aug 29 2013, 08:05 AM)
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It has not being performing since I bought it from 2009 year. Si beh Geng My agent. real tai lan gong. Planning to withdraw it soon.
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Thank you sir, for making sure that the fund manager continue to get his/her fee. You have contributed to his economic well-being.

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post Aug 30 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 30 2013, 11:40 AM)
Give u an example, the figures are not realistic, just to illustrate the principle of imputation

ABC Berhad profit before tax RM100
Pays tax RM20 (20%)
Pays out RM80 as NET dividend to shareholder, Mr Bintang Malam brows.gif

Mr Bintang Malam receives RM80 dividend, the RM20 tax is IMPUTED to him
Declares GROSS dividend of RM100 in his income tax submission
Mr BM's tax rate is 10%, tax on dividend is RM100 x 10% = RM10
He will receive refund of RM10 from government

But nowadays more and more divvies are single-tier tax exempt already

Next year no more imputation (Section 108)

So, divvy or not does not matter anymore
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Simpler some more... you buy divvy counter just look at Div Yield terus terus dapat answer... no need to bring out calculator calculate imputation liao.

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post Oct 19 2013, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Oct 19 2013, 12:26 AM)
Hi All, any comments on PISEF and PRSF? Am interested to buy some units in both.
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Sold my PRSF about a year ago to shift to PIDF.

Happily holding on to PISEF, not letting go... for now.

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post Oct 22 2013, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Oct 21 2013, 07:04 PM)
Good advices from u guys there. Thanks indeed.
Does any of u by chance having the list of funds with their dividend paid off date?I tried to search in PB Mutual site but to no avail.
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I do, all the dividend payment date are listed on their table calendar which I bought earlier from Pub-Mut office.

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post Nov 5 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(stanny @ Nov 5 2013, 03:06 AM)
Which bond/fixed income funds are the best and most consistent in Public Mutual?
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My most up to date data favours PISBF or PSBF.

Next update will be end of the year after Dec.

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post Nov 5 2013, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(stanny @ Nov 5 2013, 11:04 AM)
How about something like Public Islamic Bond Fund? Seems to have bigger returns.
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Stanny,

My data excludes those funds that are closed. If PI Bond or PBond are still open for buy-in, then yes, I'll include them.

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post Nov 19 2013, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 19 2013, 02:27 AM)
Let me give you guys my situation.

Let's say I am now holding on to Fund A. Fund A punya financial year end is 31 March. This means at 1 April, its NAV will drop drastically cuz it wanna give out dividends. Now the price of Fund A is very high, so I wanna do a fund switch (sell at high price).

Now I plan to switch to Fund B, who has just passed its financial year end on 31 October. Its NAV is very low, so I can buy at very low price and slowly wait for it to increase. OK, so I wait for Fund B to increase...increase up to my target price (before its next financial year end), I sell and look for another low-priced fund.

By doing so, it would mean that I will lose out on the distribution of dividends, but I could potentially buy at very low prices.

Is this worth it? Is it a common practice to "goreng" our funds? biggrin.gif
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What you are doing will not bring any benefit at all. You will probably lose out due to switching cost and opportunity cost. You may not realised it but NAV or in lay-person term the price of the fund has no relevance at all to the fund performance. To "play" unit trust, you need to be familiar with the concepts below:

I) asset allocation
II) annual expense ratio
III) Annualised growth
IV) Standard Deviation aka Volatility
V) Sharpe ratio
VI) Alpha Jessen ratio
Vii) Modigliani ratio
VIII) Security Market Line
IX) Markowitz and Modern Portfolio Theory
X) Efficient frontier
XI) Optimal Portfolio Customisation

If you are a newbie to unit trust, google topic I) to V) will be sufficient, if you are advance then try to be exposed to concepts VI) to XI).

No, it is not wise to goreng funds. I always advise you wanna goreng, try derivatives aka warrants & futures. These instruments are fun and very exciting, if you know how to play.

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Nov 19 2013, 09:12 PM)
KLCI up 0.82%... PISEF up 0.89%.  rclxms.gif

Bought 3 local funds in June and PISEF is the sole fund which I'm still holding.  tongue.gif
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PISEF alone makes up 40% of my total equity exposure at the moment.

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post Nov 20 2013, 09:20 PM

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My PISEF price now very high liao....

I wanna take profit, sell and buy into low NAV; how about "snicker lol" PCSF? It's NAV is now below its IPO price.

Good rite?

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Nov 20 2013, 02:03 PM)
Yeah, I dump the other 2 funds 'cos I tried to diversify into local funds too quick; overbought and at the wrong time. Was having zero local funds in the beginning of the year.

(For info to others) Actually, all local funds are making gains YTD, from 8% to over 20%. PISEF is at the bottom segment (less than 10% YTD), just doing better than PIDF and PFSF which I had dumped.


What a coincidence, I was holding the exact fund you were holding i.e., PIDF & PFSF, but I switched to PISEF in Q3-2013.

I have very little choice as this was my EPF fund, hence I have only local fund to go into.

By my calculation, PISEF is Pub-Mut best risk adjusted performing fund in their whole stable but when compared with other fund house, she is a loser.

BTW, I also hold Kenanga Growth and Eastspring Equity Income, they are good funds... check them out.

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 20 2013, 09:24 PM)
Are you joking or serious?
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Won't tell.... you guess lar.

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p/s BTW for those confused forumers, Felix's joke detection meter is faulty....

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 20 2013, 09:38 PM)
You buy...then I switch into.
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LOL! LULZ!

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Switching PRSF into PDSF is acceptable, since both ROI is lebih kurang sama but PDSF has lower volatility (risk). The rest of the fund you mentioned, I'll give it a miss.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 25 2013, 10:23 AM)
xuzen, pls advise what is your takes on this? have you got the latest set of data? i intent to dump the last of my EPF withdrawal next month to PDSF to increase the exposure from 11% to about 15% of portfolio. thks  notworthy.gif

just following up from page 68 of post# 1360 ...26/7/13
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PIDF data still show better risk adjusted return wrt PDSF. PISEF of course is the runaway winner by far.

Yklooi, you wuss, 15% only ar? I am holding 40% of my equity portion in PISEF..... Grow some balls man.

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p/s I have a sprinkle of equity exposure in Eastspring Inv Equity income, Kenanga growth, and Eastspring small cap. You will ask why all M'sia equities? that is because EPF only fecking allows me local jaguh kampung funds.

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