Which type of milk do you all take? I've been taking HL Low fat milk before bed but I see in Jusco theres so much other type of milk which is cheaper comparing to HL.

Cottage cheese is fXXking expensive, period.

@enix2000
are you trying to gain weight? if so, i suggest you get some DL fresh milk instead. goodday is alright as well. if you're trying to gain, just take whole milk and none of that skimmed stuff.

cottage cheese is like RM20+ for a tub right? Roughly the same here in canada if you convert, about $6 for a 750ml tub. Enough to last for 4-5 days.

i think if you go through a gallon of milk every 4-5 days, you end up at that same amount anyway.

I'm not on bulk... cutting to be exact...

if cutting, drink whey

@kurtkob78
could you elaborate on this please? whey should be a staple whether cutting or bulking to ensure that sufficient protein is being delivered to the body.

@enix2000
i'd personally stay away from HL milk cause i couldn't seem to get a fresh box most of the time. also, it's not 'real milk' per se. usually low fat stuff, you'll notice alot more fillers have been added to make the end product what it is. how does the milk fit into you're cutting plan? if you're looking for slow digesting protein, just buy a tub of casein. should cost the same on a monthly basis.

I think kurt's comment was addressing the fact that milk and cheese are calorie-dense foods, which probably wouldn't be the protein source of choice while on a calorie-restricted diet.

@-Dan
i believe that's what was implied. however, when we look at a 'low-fat' milk (my assumption is the 2% milk i'm drinking daily) both look similar from a calorie standpoint ie. 122kcal 2% milk and 130kcal for ONwhey both at the typical serving sizes of a cup and a scoop respectively.

Well, I'm assuming the TS's focus is on protein alone, in which case the whey is 'better' in that sense. I don't remember the exact macro breakdown of a cup of milk, but IINM it contains approx 8g of protein, which is a third of the protein in a scoop of whey. But again, this is only if the focus is solely on protein.

@-Dan
Definitely. If we're looking at protein numbers, whey wins hands down.

I get fatter if I drink HL milk regularly, serious!

ty dan for clarifying ... beside fat, milk also contains lactose, which is a kind of sugar, if you need alot of protein and less calories, whey will be superior.

a 120kcal whey contains around 25g protein,
while with 120kcal low fat milk only contains around 10g protein.

This post has been edited by kurtkob78: Aug 10 2012, 12:34 PM

correct me if i'm wrong but if we're talking about ON whey specifically then i do believe it has some lactose as the ingredients include lactase which i presume is to make their product more accomodating to people who are lactose intolerant. i could be mistaken though.

lactose and fat content is really low in whey. regarding the lactase, not sure about this.

I take yoghurt drink (Bliss) before going to bed.
In the morn I take powder milk....

Whey is absorbed too fast for it to be taken at night prebedtime unless you combine it with a solid meal. If you guys have a habit of drinking just 2 scoops of whey post workout with water alone, you might as well piss away one scoop of whey because only half of that shit gets absorbed. I dont take whey PWO anymore. Just a solid meal of chicken and rice or..... triple cheeseburgers.

As you mentioned pre-bed, I guess you want to maintain protein synthesis levels throughout the night?

If you're on a cut then casein would be the best there is.

I'm not sure if whey and a slow digesting carb source should be included in the blend, will leave that to the others for opinions.

This post has been edited by DT1: Aug 11 2012, 07:54 PM

I got an alternative for you, or just a suggestion perhaps.

Try to plan your last meal 2-3 hours prior to bed, opt for high fiber food such as veges, pear, etc so that they will stay in your stomach longer, not to mention that it cleans your colon during sleep. Protein can be ingested as supplement between meal with fruit (banana, apple, ....), not 'necessarily' to take it before bed.
But make sure you eat something nutritious after you waked up, because your body starved 6-8 hours for food.

Hope it helps!

Apparently, your body will repair itself during the night and having a slow streaming of protein does increase the recovery rate hence the need to consume slow digesting protein before sleeping. Sure it is not necessary but when you have an option to have a better recovery rate, why don't you take it right?

so the only source of slow release protein only comes from cassein? any way to use whey instead?

Look. Just chicken and rich before bed will do. I swear some of you beginners overcomplicate things and don't see.the bigger picture.

Or some good ol' peanut butter.

Damn la. 2 jars of peanut butter in 10 mins. I had a scoop out of the 3rd jar already. No one was there to stop me.

I'd tried something in the past, milk+whey protein, hard-boiled eggs, tuna fish, peanut butter.... The result is not 'significant'. Just as darklight said above, overcomplicated things.

IMO, every decision is based on personal preference. If enix want to build a strong and bulky body, then go all the way to anabolism (take casein, milk or slow releasing protein products). Recently I am converting to plant-based food gradually, try to kick-out the animal products for the environment's sake.

I believe that our body require adequate catabolism to flush out the waste substances, and sleeping times deemed to be the best timing. And the approach is proven feasible for me.

I noticed that my muscle gained (more significantly) from the total calories surplus that taken from the whole day. My concept is eat the right food (macros) and let my body do the rest of the work!

Calories > macros > supplements.

But if you go vegetarian, you are doing more harm to the environment. Lol, you just have no idea.

tq for the valuable information, I will study on the particular matter.

i donstock on chock keel n breast each week.. but im running out of recipes.. hahahahah.. peanut butter aint my cup of tea or should i say a bowl of nuts... but i giv it a go anyway...

Uhh... I like peanut butter. I really like, like peanut butter. You should not like peanut butter like me. I have a lot of members here who are my facebook and real life friends. Trust me it is not healthy the way i like it.

Peanut butter + jam bread is one of my main protein source now without using whey.

Going to try out Steffi's on next jar.

eat tempeh before bed , tempeh cecah sambal kicap.. perghhh... very good casein, slow release protein

@darklight79
which peanut butter brand do you go for. for conversation sake. i'm heavily into Adam's natural peanut butter, roughly 8 overloaded tbsp per day...so yeah, that 1kg jar gets finished pretty quick.

thanks for the advice i've stop taking milk at night because i found it make me gain more weight! im doing intermitent fasting now!

@darklight79 which peanut butter u take? i DIY mine n it taste like s**t

look for Adam's Natural Peanut Butter. i've only found it in cold storage back home in like 500g glass jars. over here i get them in 1kg jars. good stuff.

I have been consuming Steffi's and CED peanut butter so far. What really puzzles me is that based on the printed nutritional facts, CED has much higher protein, lower carb and stuffs like this but it tastes much sweeter than Steffi's.

i have tried CED but the taste was not really good as compared to Adam's. Adam's has salted and un-salted versions and also smooth or crunchy. with Adam's the ingredients are just peanuts and salt.

Guess I'm going to do some shopping in Cold Storage tomorrow!

I recently found out that we can actually make our own peanut butter by just blending raw peanuts in a blender.

All you need is just a high-end blender/food processor, vitamix, blendtec, ninja blender, etc to do the job!
I found it in youtube.

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