Manager66,
Let’s discuss this in a more mannered and civil way like educated people should be. Using profanities at everyone that is trying to help won’t solve this at all. If you’re the adult that you claim to be and you’re at least someone with education, then we’ll just use proper logical deductions and solve it once and for all.

Here I present my arguments, facts and my idea of a possible solution to this dispute. This is also from what I understood of the situation:-

Chronology of Events
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For proof below, please refer thread:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2433417&hl=

and image below:-
http://www.imagebam.com/image/056ff0203553146

July 18, 2012 – 7.20PM > Manager66 initiated thread entitled “Perosn with Good English, Quick Cash (Job Provider)”.

July 19, 2012 – 8.37AM > Raikkonen PM’ed to Manager66 seeking to help Manager66 on the task and Manager66 replied on July 19, 2012 – 11.58AM with the subject paragraph and Manager66 mentioned that “I(Manager66) pay RM150 if you can help me settle in a few hours”.

July 19, 2012 – 2.06PM > Preliminary of the job task submitted and at 7.47PM same day, Manager66 asked Raikkonen to continue with the task.

July 19, 2012 - 9.56PM > Submission of completed task with plagiarism checked 0% at 8.33PM conducted by Raikkonen. Manager66 responded at 10.29PM stating he (Manager66)has acknowledged the completion of the job required works and would like to reply later due to his (Manager66) busy schedule.

July 20, 2012 – 6.31 AM > Manager66 retracted RM150 payment offered to the job taker as the claiming the task took more than 8 hours to complete.

July 20, 2012 – 10.05PM > Manager66 continue to retract RM150 with claims that the specified amount is for condition of completion in 1-2 hours. And Manager66 continue to claim that the submission is done after 10 hours. No further payment value was suggested.

July 27, 2012 – 3.05PM > Raikkonen posted on the original job thread (Refer link above) that he(Raikkonen) felt that he’s being conned.

July 27, 2012 – 3.58PM > Manager66 replied with the following message:- Quote ((“con? i dun mind u post our whole conversation to let people judge. I 11am said if u can finish it within few hours i will pay you 150. But u like play play wait until 9pm oni start to do and 10pm sent to me. If wait ur work ady die la. Before 3pm i ady settle myself. You expect my few hours is more than 6hours ah”)) where Raikkonen replied at 3.59PM that Manager66 should at least pay for the time that he(Raikkonen) worked even if the work was not used.

July 28, 2012 – 5.39PM > Manager66 replied with Quote ((“11am told u 150 if can be done in few hours and it's urgent. But not even reply with anything or agree anything. Then wait until u feel u happy to do it only you do it then still wanna ask for pay”)) insisting not to pay.

July 29, 8.15AM > Raikkonen started the thread with title “Complain against Manager66 - Liar, twisting facts., Worse CONMAN so far.”. The dispute continues until today, date November 9, 2012.

Example Defence Quotes by Manager66
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These quotes can be found on thread in the link:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2447372

- Quoted on Page 1

- Quoted on Page 2

- Quoted on Page 3

- Quoted on Page 4

Disputing Issue
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Going through the references, it can be summarized that:-

1. Raikkonen claims that Manager66 will not uphold the payment stated in the original agreement between both parties whether in the value nor in the actual payment.
Meaning that Raikkonen claims that Manager66 will not pay him, and even if he(Manager66) would pay, the amount is less than previously agreed.

2. Manager66 claims that he (Manager66) will pay but the reason none was being done is due to the fact that Raikkonen did not provide him (Manager66) with the account number to be banked-in.


Points to be considered:-
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Point 1 – No paying intention

Here, with the statement of “didn’t even use his things” (Refer Oct 1 2012, 04:05 AM), decision to not pay Raikkonen is clearly shown. If Manager66 had the intention to pay, the next excuse would have followed through, which is regarding the account number not being provided as noted in the later replies in the thread. The same intention of not paying is also shown on
July 28, 2012 – 5.39PM stating that Raikkonen should have done within a few hours, closing with statement that Quote((Then wait until u feel u happy to do it only you do it then still wanna ask for pay)).

Only with the pressure from the community that Manager66 decided to pay but with limitations, such as asking for Raikkonen to come and take, insisting that he (Manager66) has the money to pay. No payment method was actually specified earlier but the limitations by Manager66 were not of common procedures and regarded to be highly a undignified form which can be classified as a threat to Raikkonen.

Point 2 – Job task and Payment

The value of RM150 should be paid in full. This is due to the fulfillment of the original agreement and offer. The term “a few hours” is too subjective and the starting time was not clearly and relevantly stated. Arguments can be made of this point, however, due to the next issue, this would no longer be in doubt favoring Manager66.

The next issue being the 3PM completion time stated by Manager66 at July 27, 2012. If Manager66 had completed the task by himself on the same day (July 19) at 3PM, why did Manager66 asked Raikkonen to continue with the task at 7.47 PM on July 19, 2012? This is acknowledgement by Manager66 that the task is not done and to continue accordingly, which Raikkonen did, and done within 1-2 hours, 9.56PM which is acknowledged by Manager66 at 10.39PM. If Manager66 have already completed the task earlier at 3PM, no further instructions should be given at 7.47PM, which lead to the completion at 9.56PM.

Point 3 – Time frame

Even if the job starts at 11.58AM, clearly the time frame of 1-2 hours is no longer in consideration as the fact that the submission by Raikkonen at 2.06PM is not acknowledged until 7.47PM. By calculation, 1-2 hours pass 12.00PM is approximately 2.00PM++ with consideration of online login time, upload etc. Therefore, fault here lies clearly with Manager66 as he failed to respond within his own stipulated time and only have given consideration to his own “personal” timings.

Statement that it took 8 or 10 hours to be done is not valid either as the fact that it could be completed in less of the time if Manager66 had responded earlier.
Furthermore, Raikkonen did complete within 1-2 hours after the response by Manager66.

Point 4 – Mechanic’s Lien

There are such laws that govern on the non-payment for services provided. An example of a law is as shown in the link http://www.goldmanpease.com/a-solution-for...0%99s-lien.html where payments must still be made for any services rendered. “Not being used” do not render the service null and void. Such are cases where there apartments that do not have any occupants or property rentals. Once the agreement is made between two parties to rent a property, the property, although is not being used for anything at all, still is liable for rental charges.

Solution
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Clearly the Manager66 is highly at fault due to wrong command and providing wrong directions which was wrongfully blamed on Raikkonen. Manager66 should bank-in RM150 into another account of a neutral party which would transfer back to Raikkonen to settle this dispute.

And, if enough people complain, your cousin is going to have a bad time.
He might see B+ today and F tomorrow.
Don't underestimate the power of the Internet community.

Well, I hope this would help.

This post has been edited by Ultimaweapon: Nov 9 2012, 03:13 PM

Lol bro, my cousin never used this Liar TS's works la. He wanna post the whole thing also nevermind la. Because he too nub. I were actually busy that time and will pay him up and that's why late reply him. But he never give me any account number and straight reported here. In this world wont have any stupiak blamed stupidly without giving account number straight accuse. Wrong command and wrong direction? going into the court will not look at this stupid point. This is just ur self deluded . Either pay or no pay. No account number pay ur lan? Because he too nub and tot i really wont pay up and that's why childish and post it up. Look at the 1st page i already said paying him and he straight talked ntg anymore and of course wont give me account number now because will only show his stupidity...

I understand what you're saying.
Maybe you and him got off the wrong intentions earlier.
Your arrangement of words somehow did give an impression of not paying.
That's what the dispute was about earlier and all the discussions about.
As in the internet, emotions cannot be
seen, so people make assumptions.

On the other hand, you're making some progress here.
Less profanities would definitely lead you further and to a more peaceful solution.
A lot of people here wants to help but when one person starts with profanities,
things get ugly pretty fast and the issue won't settle. The beneficial side is never on the one
who raises the temperature first.

Thing is, when come to this sort of disputes, at this point,
he won't want to reveal his account number as the fact that
the real name will be shown. I mean, I think you'll also wouldn't want to reveal yours
when you bank-in to him, right? Real names would definitely cause more problems later
especially when now the issue has escalated.

Which is why I suggest that you bank-in to another person of this thread or
your choice of user and the user will bank-in back to him. This way both your names
are not revealed and no further damage is done.

A forum member will PM you his account number while Raikkonen will PM the forum
member his account number. That way is the best in my opinion for this to be solved.

I'm sure you're a considerate person and willing to compromise.

What if the other person get the money and MIA.. Then got 2 dispute cases.

*Just for LoLz*

Anyways, its good to see Manager66 is replying to you. I think a direct bank in would be ok since real name or not doesn't matter now as long as the money is refunded.

So now we have to get Raikkonen to pass him an account number to bank in to..

Evening.

Good effort you're doing here.

But see how he reply?
All sorts of name calling, insults, flame baiting and KURANG AJAR behavior.
He seems to ENJOY doing just that.

He even laugh at your face when you mention paying me RM150; see the 'Lol' word.
I am not going to comment more since most of the answers are in Post #1.

Ultimaweapon, I worry you're going to end up







I already ask Admin to 'award' this user a Dispute Tag.
We'll see what the Admin decide.

If Admin decided that your solution could work, safer to bank in the money into the Admin's account.
Then Admin transfer it to my account.

Even so, I hope this thread would still exist as a future references for any favor of it's kind.


This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 9 2012, 10:07 PM

diam la nub liar.
See how brainless. I lol for the "work" part because you tot my cousin really used ur works? never tell account number then accuse i not paying? who teach u kurang ajar kid such until such breinless? wanna accuse also do all the necessary steps before accuse stupidly. Should be giving dispute for u for accusing stupidly.
On this entire earth only such breinless like u that not giving any account number and accuse people not paying and really wont ever found any other stupi@k like this anymore.

See how brainless. I lol for the "work" part because you tot my cousin really used ur works?

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Added on November 10, 2012, 12:41 amSo thats why i said dont assume things stupidly and court will not even bother to look at it. Judge will only see either pay or not pay. But no account number, pay to ghost ah? That liar ts never give any account number at the 1st place and then straight accuse stupidly. This already the most stupid action on earth.
Actually the problem earlier was he too stupid. He use his brainless brain and assume i not paying and the most stupid was not even giving his account number on the 1st place. And then being a childish post all the things up. and after i have pop out, of course wont give me account number anymore because will just prove his stupidity level +9999 and thats the reason he pop out back again just nw to protect his stupidity with utter nonsense.

I saying things with facts and proof , the reason why epic stupi@k on earth before of all the disputes cases in this section, all the plaintiff had given their account numbers to all the defendants and will not accuse stupidly like him.

Luckily that liar TS is not a lawyer or judge or else the whole judiciary system of malaysia would collapsed due to his superb weak incompetency of critical thinking and logical thinking. Doing things without proof and everything just assume stupidly.

But anyway, until this stage, banking in to third party is not acceptable anymore because must have proof that its banked in to this liar account. Third party can say whatever nonsense he can.got give to liar raikkonen anot nobody knows. But expected he will not give out his account number because as i said will only prove out his stupidity level and shame till die. Its ok to keep this thread forever for the sake of reminding TS for his epic stupi@k deed on earth.

Go for vacation tomorrow. Will be replying you in 2-3 days time. Happy holiday.

This post has been edited by Manager66: Nov 10 2012, 01:12 AM

In July 2012: Notice the 'Haha'? NEVER intend to pay. Correct?
My last PM was on July 20th...no replies until I had to open a dispute thread on July 29th; after 10 days.





In October 2012
Mmmm...notice the 'F'? Very KURANG AJAR person.
I am a good person eh? Did not 'F' him back





October as well, 'Waiting for my account number?' 'not free to login to Lowyat?'
I was NEVER asked to provide my account number. Time period July 20th - July 29th...nope...I was NEVER asked to give my account number.

My last PM was on July 20th (refer Post #1) and still waiting till 29th July 2012

On July 29th, I had to open a dispute thread; 10 days? Really? Too busy for 10 days?
On July 27th 'not free to login to Lowyat' eh? Yeah right http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2433417&hl=

On July 28th...the thread was closed (not closed by the Moderator)




That's my defence.


Let's recap;

1. Me lazy doing it.
2. Cousin did not use my work.
3. No account number.

I wonder what would the 'twisties fact' be after this.





I will let Admin settle this; already asked for a 'Dispute Tag'; wait for it then.
Some postings are....well....tl;dr


Any ACCUSATIONS thrown at me, my defences are in Post #1; and what a powerful defence it is


For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is ~ Master Yoda

Only people with 'rotten' heart would not understand after reading Post #1; *cough* conman *cough*


I will keep bump though; hope Admin will pin this.


Guys, I have a hunch that the accused is Admin/Moderators dupe account; I hope it is not true


This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 10 2012, 09:51 AM

Using my note 2 to post this. OMG. Liar Raikkonen. Did you ever know what kind of shit that you have posted? Was that all you can argue? You ever had brain at the 1st place? OMG being such an ediotiv person on earth. Ur stopii@k childish assumption on earth. Now caught red handed being stoopid then finally dare to come out but yet argued like a breinles. You actually even know 1 thing that you actually already surpass KATNL for being the most epic " Stoopiak" on earth? KNow why, because before u even can argue anything, where is ur account number at the 1st place? you expect me to bank in to ur lan? OMG

As i said nobody in this world can be so ediotiv as you and i will never ever found 1 anymore except u.

Now u already been caught red handed for being the legend sttopiak "on earth u know", in the universe anot i not sure and you can only continue argue stupidly and ntg else.

This post has been edited by Manager66: Nov 10 2012, 09:50 AM

I followed Rule 1. but the replies from the accused were...KURANG AJAR.
My mistake was Rule 4. ; I did not inform the the other party.
Since this is my first ever dispute thread.
But I did waiting for a reply from the accused but none came.



Thought went for holiday; lying again eh?
That's what you are worthy at.

Admin is WATCHING; keep up the insults.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 10 2012, 09:59 AM

enjoying breakfast at hotel lobby now. and then look at ur amazing epic nub argument on earth.
Haha. again you cannot argue a shit out because ntg you nub can ever argue because already caught red handed for being stoopi@k and better enter guiness world of record for being the most brenlis and stoopi@k on earth. LOL.

Will talked to u ignorant again in the afternoon. 88.

This post has been edited by Manager66: Nov 10 2012, 10:00 AM

Quote for the insults.

Admin kept WATCHING.

I see you are enjoying it when people replying your postings so that you can show your KURANG AJARness.

Do not choke during breakfast; wish to see more of your KURANG AJARness.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 10 2012, 10:04 AM

haha, little poor failure. Nothing else u can argue anymore because been caught red handed for being ignorant. Dun worry, wun easily get choke.
I actually more enjoy you typing nonsense because you cannot even argue a single thing or fact out to support ur nonsense. hahaha.. reli 88 jor, girl friend calling. haha. 88

That's all after breakfast?

Thought got extra energy after breakfast; extra fuel for more KURANG AJARness.

Had to quote as proof for Admin to see.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 10 2012, 10:09 AM

welp

everyone except for the accused seems to be civil

no point talking to rude people anymore guys

all he see now is any non-conforming view here is labeled stupid, nub, liar

one of the weaker way to debates is to try covering weak or non-existing points with strong words, in hopes of no one can see through it

well it is like spraying DKNY perfume to a pile of dung

(btw: if "he" trying to counter my simpulan bahasa, then it is obvious he has no grounds to stand on, since the perfume on dung is never my main point)

My my...this really make me
All the effort does seem to be in vain.

Banking into a third party will not be in vain in my opinion.
At least both of you do not know each others names which will be even more
damaging if you do. With a third party (neutral zone), the middle person will posses the proof
that the account numbers was indeed Raikkonen's and Manager66 account
therefore preventing further doubts. There are also banking records.

I'm going to take the initiative at this point to further prevent
any more clashing. All I need now is just one word message / PM
saying:-

> Agree to settle by banking into 3rd party.

Then I'll notify here that both parties have agreed.
After that, I'll PM Manager66 my account number
while Raikkonen will PM me his account number.

After banking in by Manager66 and the amount has been cleared,
etc, I will update here within the hour and at the same time bank in
to Raikkonen. In this thread itself, I will update the transaction slip,
for both transactions while deleting Manager66, Raikkonen and my
names from the slip. This would be proof for everyone that the issue has been settled.

So, for both Raikkonen and Manager66, do PM and let me know your decisions.
Maybe I need admin's approval to do this too.

Ask Admin for approval

I already asked Admin to review the thread but still waiting for action.

Maybe they're busy.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 10 2012, 04:00 PM

We are trying to help them both... seems like we are labeled stupid, liar, dupe, noob etc. because he is covering something....

If he "san mou si" (if he is not guilty).. why is he labelling us and talking those rainbow languages? and trying to cover up something?

@Moderators: if u guys are looking into this now.. we are trying to help... but nothing seems to work, because manager66 doesnt want to pay in the first place.

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Added on November 10, 2012, 9:19 pmno worries raikkonen.. sooner or later this guy will be getting karma, what he does to u surely something worse will happen to him. Its just a matter of time when this kind ppl will regret on what they do now..

This post has been edited by leongkokloon: Nov 10 2012, 09:25 PM

the highlighted words ady shown out ur stupidity level gao gao that doesnt know a shit from the 1st place.
Where is the proof that LIAR raikkonen giving his account number at the 1st place? Getting funnier to see so many brenliss like u trying to argue like a stupid. I am not used to be rude but facing ignorant like u,just cannot control myself.

I know

It's not just me, search the username in Kopitiam; talk about reputation and fame.

That is why I put 'worse CONMAN so far'

Most conman just flee without a trace, but this one...totally extraordinary.



I wonder what nickname will be used next when this nickname 'awarded' the DT. Prior was joeychin

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Nov 12 2012, 09:45 AM

haha. caught red handed for being the most stupi@k on earth has ntg to argue cannot show a single proof. Dont try to change direction because urself is the worse conman. You are the most epic on earth because talking nonsense to the max and replied back to own dupe.
Whatever u said wont have a single proof but self deluded and no shame. Childish to the max tot my cousin really use the work and past it up. Never give account number then straight say people conman. The whole world only has such IdE*ot like u seriously. Even worst than legendary conman cheong chan wah. WOrse than a little kid because i surely cannot find anyone else like u so brenless.

This post has been edited by Manager66: Nov 12 2012, 01:18 PM