You talk like there is everything including P&C on the Internet for free. Mind give me the URL website where I can find your full name, IC together with credit card number, expiry date and security code? Also, can you give me the link where I can find the gearbox model number for Latio? You lost your common sense in this one. Those feedback for NASA staff scouting here to read. Definitely not for you.

Back to facts talk about car price, manufacturer don't get to set selling price at will. You forgot the excise duty, sales tax, manufacturing cost, break even point, revenue, etc. What? You think your father owns the car pricing policy here? Google won't find you more details that are P&C, even actual tax rate on cars not available, you only get the general public info.

Old Forte rebadged under NASA get tax reduction for national car status exemption. That is why they get to sell 10% less than actual price. Else, under Kia badge, the old Forte 1.6EX 78k will be priced at RM90k, 1.6SX RM85k at RM97k while Forte 2.0 RM97k will become RM110k under earlier P1 protection policy with best negotiated tax rate. Now that there's Inspira & Preve, P1, tax rates on new K3 Cerato increased pushing the new car price further up, not to forget the K3 is CBU from Korea, only to get partial CKD status by assembling doors, seats and windscreens here.

Cost of producing a K3 Cerato costs more expensive than producing 1 Civic and Altis. The high tensile strength material, the 6AT gearbox, the dual VVT DOHC engine, VIS all required material and money to build. Rough breakdown example only, not accurate actual data for K3 Cerato 1.6L:
- the car cost RM15k to produce + Kia Korea revenue markup RM15k placing the car sales to NASA at RM30k.
- Shipping cost RM2k
- Tax Excise 90% RM28.8k (after adding shipping cost RM2k +30k = 32k)
- Sales tax another 30% RM18.24k
- This brings up to RM79.04k already, minus selling price RM100k, there is RM20.96k left for other expenses : transporting the car, royalty fees for Kia manufacturer and to feed salesman commission RM1500, staff, etc.

If tax rate follows global, the K3 Cerato 1.6 should be priced around RM60k under max tax rate. US tax rate on car is lowest while UK is highest in Europe.

Unlike you bunch, substandard products that you assemble here, you can throw CRA2Y discount like mad until ruining the RV of earlier buyers. Don't have to talk about others. How come X-Trail T31 you can sell at RM130 but the new X-Trail CBU from Indonesia sold at RM145k? Easy, because CKD here, you get more tax exemption and also, you can slash price as long as it is not against P1 protection policy and you can still cover royalty sales to N-brand Japan boss.

Your empty narrow Sylphy cost cutting to maximum is priced officially at RM120k that is higher than Focus at RM115k. What say you? Only rely on CRA2Y discount that do not declare officially, you get to sell it at RM107k yet can accept trade in old Sephia at RM10k. Hyundai-Kia, Toyota, Mazda, Ford, etc, they aren't going to give such CRA2Y discount due to higher cost & tax rate.

1 more thing, Focus is CBU from Thailand, therefore can reduce price further.

R these figure come with supportive fact ? source of information ? or ur favorite "Self Imagination" like those FC, Karate Chop Board Theory ? 

How many time do i need to tell u, I DO NOT SELL, OWN, DRIVE nor WORK for Nissan or TCM. 

Just because u got kick out from TCM previoulsy, don't take revenge by spreading venom here, get over it ! they r not taking u back, no matter what u suggest. 

I love it when a nutbag comes in arguing that certain car makes are the best.

Unlike you bunch, substandard products that you assemble here, you can throw CRA2Y discount like mad until ruining the RV of earlier buyers. Don't have to talk about others. How come X-Trail T31 you can sell at RM130 but the new X-Trail CBU from Indonesia sold at RM145k? Easy, because CKD here, you get more tax exemption and also, you can slash price as long as it is not against P1 protection policy and you can still cover royalty sales to N-brand Japan boss.

Your empty narrow Sylphy cost cutting to maximum is priced officially at RM120k that is higher than Focus at RM115k. What say you? Only rely on CRA2Y discount that do not declare officially, you get to sell it at RM107k yet can accept trade in old Sephia at RM10k. Hyundai-Kia, Toyota, Mazda, Ford, etc, they aren't going to give such CRA2Y discount due to higher cost & tax rate.

1 more thing, Focus is CBU from Thailand, therefore can reduce price further.

R these figure come with supportive fact ? source of information ? or ur favorite "Self Imagination" like those FC, Karate Chop Board Theory ? 

How many time do i need to tell u, I DO NOT SELL, OWN, DRIVE nor WORK for Nissan or TCM. 

Just because u got kick out from TCM previoulsy, don't take revenge by spreading venom here, get over it ! they r not taking u back, no matter what u suggest. 

Correction for Focus 115k, u try contact Ford SD see see..... is 119k for non-plus model ok!! 129k for plus model, ok!! no discount for plus model at ford SD ok..!!

Please check again my comment. I meant the Sylphy, not the Focus. Also check my latest reply to jolokia and you will understand how they could throw CRA2Y discount to those substandard products they CKD here. The cost of Sylphy is way lower and they set selling price higher than Focus. This is what I meant.

Other brands that bring in CBU from Thai, they won't be able to throw CRA2Y discount like those bunch do due to higher base cost. Even if there is discount, that applies only when there is stock clearance for make/model that is phasing out for new replacement. That is only because the royalty sales from Carmaker reduced. 

Those N-brand bunch that mess around here kept saying Toyota, Ford, Mazda, Hyundai-Kia, etc are throwing high discount like mad which is not true at all when checked with actual salesman at showroom. So I post this to counter their false claim. They wanted to bring in cost cutting substandard products selling at quality car price, now they can't sell due to better competitor products, so they resort to unethical business strategy including spreading fake FC reading and false claim on other brands that are doing well. As consumer, we must not let them do things unethically that cheat buyers.

Did u guys know that the Focus interior is so cramped? The cerato is definitely bigger than the focus, i am a thin guy also felt the crampness of the focus during test drive last year.. And that was the sedan variant

The Karate chop board theory is simplified law of physics to explain to non-technical yet arrogant marketing bunch like you. As I had been in accident in a car that has slippery surface aerodynamic, more curvy and oval on the fenders and doors when it got rammed from the side by speeding reckless Ah Beng breaking red lights at estimated over 100km/h, that was when I believe cars that passed  US/EU safety rating. Conti cars, proper Japanese makes and Korean makes, they all come with angled pillars, doors and fenders design that wasted some space interior space mainly for this purpose. That conti car I was in, it diverted the reckless Ah Beng force of impact and turned him elsewhere as he was bounced off and spun several rounds away. The car I was in, the side parts was all bent but not that severe and did not cave into door panels. This tells you not to buy cars with flat straight side and pillars like box such as Teana, Sylphy, X-Gear, etc. Sides like those will absorb the force of impact and penetrate into interior space and injuring anyone inside. Teana more spacious than Camry inside mainly by making the whole car flat reserve for interior space fully.

You can choose to deny your true identity. Since you doubt my indirect calculation, you can always check with Costing Department that handle your Assembly Plant in Sungai Buloh. That is only if they are willing to let you know.
- The material cost of producing 1 cheap substandard product of yours could be as low as RM6k to RM7k.
- Then add in the Base Royalty paid to your Japan boss, say another RM10k
- Then the excise duty + sales tax 25k bringing total cost to RM42k.
- There, you set selling price to Rm80k at Japanese quality price range. With this, you'll have the advantage to throw CRA2Y discount and high overtrade.

However, with X-Trail (CBU from Indonesia) and Navara (CBU from Thai), you can't do that due as you don't get to enjoy the extra cost saving and eventually lower base for tax. If N-brand Japan feasibility on Thai market is positive for Altima and Sentra, you will not be able to do what you could do with those substandard goods you brought in earlier.

fake FC reading..

aint the korean brand got busted for it?
errr....

Fantabulous    So what all this have to do with KIA Cerato aka Project C ?? 

Didn't according to ur goodself Almera doens't look safe ? yet it pass US crash test with flying color. 

Teana & Sylphy pass Japanese crash test, Lavina pass China crash test.

So finally u admit indeed u been kick out by TCM that why u trying take revenge here. 

Come on u need to show us some link or paper to believe what u claim on the costing is indeed truth, or everybody can too come out with baseless figure, how about Forte EX only cost RM 3000 +- tax, duty, royalty RM 10000 so net profit RM 60000, but prove ?? Nothing ! graps from sky

What makes you think that car with material cost of RM6-7k is Almera? Thing is, it is not Almera. Almera passed US safety rating but not with flying colour. Only certain C-segment and mostly D-segment onwards could get flying colours in safety rating. Get your facts right. If you check properly, your Sylphy cost quite cheap, only slightly higher than Latio 1.8 in production cost. You sell at RM107k also earn big already.

Lavina, Teana & Sylphy never screened through US/EU safety rating. China crash test, they are known to be corrupt, how much can you trust them? Japan crash test, they don't even have roads to get into serious accident and also, their standard is not even comparable to US/EU safety standard.

Which part said I am your colleague? Only you with N-brand and it was your technical staff that complained that you bunch are nothing more than irresponsible thrash to the company that spent most of the cash. Revenge? You can't even compete with any of the technical staff as they know more than you bunch and they could do more than you bunch. You bunch don't care about the buyers, only bring in lowest cost cheap alternative that is not meant for global market and sell them at quality Japanese car price to earn max profit. Those who bought your crappy products will have to pay the cost and bear the loss dearly.

stix,
Don't post lies here. I've been to showrooms lately to check pricing. No discount on Toyota, Honda, Ford, Mazda, Hyundai and Kia unless you are referring to models that are phasing out such as Vios as the new Vios 2013 is coming. Or are you trying to say the new CKD Mazda CX5 reduced price due to less tax as discount? That is because they get CKD status, not discount. Only N-brand would throw CRA2Y discount for their low cost cars with less tax and they could earn more by selling at Japanese quality car price range.

Whatever floats your boat mate. I don't have to even post any lies here to counter your statements cause i think most of them are rubbish. Good day. Oh, by the way, why not ask the SAs here personally? unless they themselves are trying to cover up for the brand they are selling. 

Lavina, Teana & Sylphy never screened through US/EU safety rating. China crash test, they are known to be corrupt, how much can you trust them? Japan crash test, they don't even have roads to get into serious accident and also, their standard is not even comparable to US/EU safety standard.

Are you for certain that the China crash test is corrupt? How do you know for sure? Their standards aren't as strict yet but they are slowly raising the bar to match EuroNCAP. Not only do they not gain anything by cheating, it will reflect badly on them when the same cars sent to Europe for sale do badly in the EuroNCAP.

Don't be so quick to judge, the China owned MG is largely built in China before final assembly in UK, it scored 4 stars on the EuroNCAP. And so did the Geely Emgrand EC7, which was the first Chinese designed and produced car to do so. Let's not forget, there are a few Chinese made cars that achieved 3 star ANCAP status down in Australia. Don't tell me you're going to say that's not credible as well?