Finally, some statement that makes sense. Thats why I said the angry people here are trying to console themself and convince themself that its a scam because it is not what they think and wanted to feel lucky to walk away. They come here and call themselves contributors to society for helping people out, by giving out misleading advice.

You earned alot through this business?
isit really able to achieve so much income using their marketing plan?

Do not give other example again.
I am curious and hope you share how you success through this business, if you are one of them.

Hahahahaha. I guess people gets angry at times when things doesnt goes as per what they thought it will or they tried hard but they failed yet couldnt take it. It is the similar scenario when you work your ass off for your company and then the company dont let you get promoted and revoked your bonus. hahahaha

Hi all, apparently I have signed up after seeing the MNU, at first yes I thought I was felt cheated due to the similar structure that I have been through in my last tryout as MLM back in 2009. Apparently that was a really pyramid structure, so the company did shut down. However, the MNU reminded me again that if you work hard with the support of your team, you can earn more than your introducer. Training and facility provided, it has gave me ideas how to run a business. So I thought about it and this does not look like the pyramid scheme, where u work more, team give you the support, but you take the most share.

My rationale, at the end of the day, employment in a company is already a pyramid structure and MLM on its own, with CEO at the top, middle management, and then staff at the bottom. Who is earning the most? those at the top. So in this sense its a pyramid already.

MLM? its just another business term on how to expand your business, if you go to the cinema, talk about the best movies, you have indirectly contributed to the cinema's sales. we have just did an MLM on its own but without earning any commission.

Took me awhile to come back up, at the end of the day, employment is just another way to step up in building your own success. It is down to you what can we do in the next few years by staying in employment and wait in line to be the boss with more workloads to fill up. I am open to want to try to do business. I think this can be a platform for if not as fast successful, at the very least, I have learn how to network, and meet with positive people with bright ideas.

As a person, go and listen to it since you have paid for it, you can decide whether to do or not afterwards. We can't force people if they don't have the willingness too, if not angry people like in the post will only ruin their own reputation. The company is alright, just the people are not all alright, some decided to make their own money and not want to help others, like a religion where the religion is good, but the people are not. Just beware of the people who introduce you.

Its people's choice to choose their own business model, not necessarily to follow the most successful example like alibaba etc. If that is the case then no one will still open up conventional and retail stores. No more shopping malls, only online stores.

Theres still market share out there to cater for people who needs to run with this business model. By so, even retail stores, restaurants, and cafes still close down easily in 6 months time and huge risk to bear financially. They have a wonderfully designed website too, but when you search in google map it shows Permanently Closed.

Btw, you do know that wikipedia is not a reliable source so dont cite it. I too  can easily edit it the way I want to, saying its the best or worst.

Hi all, apparently I have signed up after seeing the MNU, at first yes I thought I was felt cheated due to the similar structure that I have been through in my last tryout as MLM back in 2009. Apparently that was a really pyramid structure, so the company did shut down. However, the MNU reminded me again that if you work hard with the support of your team, you can earn more than your introducer. Training and facility provided, it has gave me ideas how to run a business. So I thought about it and this does not look like the pyramid scheme, where u work more, team give you the support, but you take the most share.

My rationale, at the end of the day, employment in a company is already a pyramid structure and MLM on its own, with CEO at the top, middle management, and then staff at the bottom. Who is earning the most? those at the top. So in this sense its a pyramid already.

MLM? its just another business term on how to expand your business, if you go to the cinema, talk about the best movies, you have indirectly contributed to the cinema's sales. we have just did an MLM on its own but without earning any commission.

Took me awhile to come back up, at the end of the day, employment is just another way to step up in building your own success. It is down to you what can we do in the next few years by staying in employment and wait in line to be the boss with more workloads to fill up. I am open to want to try to do business. I think this can be a platform for if not as fast successful, at the very least, I have learn how to network, and meet with positive people with bright ideas.

As a person, go and listen to it since you have paid for it, you can decide whether to do or not afterwards. We can't force people if they don't have the willingness too, if not angry people like in the post will only ruin their own reputation. The company is alright, just the people are not all alright, some decided to make their own money and not want to help others, like a religion where the religion is good, but the people are not. Just beware of the people who introduce you.

Cmon who else if its not my friend who tried to pursued me in joining, and she wasn't that cold hearted person who would say all those shitty things to you. It was after she met this group of people, all because she was told to stay away from negative people (and this negative people are those friends that are trying to drag them out of this scam hole).

Tell me something, why did mcocean decided to change their name after it was blacklisted by BNM a few years back?
Iv watched the video on youtube where that KPDNKK Dato launched the opening at southgate, and don't you think he look so scripted and fake there? Maybe ada duit masuk pocket? He can't even pronounce Mc ocean, instead of M ocean

LOL.. put it simple, if its so good, so powerful and effective business model and these hardcore defenders here proclaim it - then pay any one here RM500 to join the company since at worst its just RM500 to prove one wrong? So rich ma right?

If you get my side, trust me it comes with lots of academic credentials and an even bigger market to sell all that butt to. Comes with full time commitment towards educating the future generation as well.

FYI - Our annual dinner at Rennaisance cost RM139 per pax. Added in with everything else, some freebies, celebs, a 20K tech rig and shitty lucky draw crap did not even touch RM200 per pax.

If 5000 x RM300 = RM1.5mil for an annual dinner, even MNC company wont fork out that much of budget . I believe the ticket price it was sponsored/subsidised by a certain amount, because the venue rental cost to accommodate 5000 ppl and with food, I think it range RM2~3mil for sure. Be grateful it only cost RM300, I've seen ticket prices up to RM800~1.2k for a gala dinner.

Anyone knows the lucky draw amount at the McOcean gala dinner ? Any famous artist there ? Lets see if the RM300 was worth the ticket price. Compare Hotel vs Convention Centre pricing rate.

What a joke... In any company you are paid for what you do with zero inbound cost, and you and move up the 'pyramid' if you wish by performing well. You are always paid for what you agree to do and what your performance entails. Goes to say choosing the right boss and company goes a long way - but more importantly its called displacement instead of saturation.

Too bad there's a bunch of positive thinking people who apparently do not have any useful skills to contribute to society demands and have to depend on 'networking' with other people who also do not have any useful skills to make a living. Oh wai.. bshitting is a life skill - that is of value though. If you are of value to any environment, you will be appreciated and rewarded accordingly.

Angry people here aint gonna pay for anyone's loss, but I do enjoy being an ass after all.

Btw...

"Newbie - 3 posts - Magically heads straight here instead of kopitiam" Speaks worlds.

I believe you have your reasons and there's no need to degrade another person's views.

Based on my experience inbound cost are the cost of your education, cost to raise yourself from your parents pocket money to achieve/reach where you are, you've engaged the universities/colleges to give you the right to earn your place in the world. You've taken the risk to go with the flow to study till graduation, in hope to give back to your parents and for yourself to make better living for your future generation, while carrying the cost to recover.

I agree with the performance indicators where every employee added with a right boss who can guide you all the way for you to achieve your dreams is also a way to achieve your target of success, no wrong in that either, but not everywhere we will have that structure we hope for. An established company to work for is a safety net for sure. Regardless, a company is a business at the end of the day right?

There's no wrong to learn more either, we are a benchmark of our own.
Chill la bro, newbie also I read everything from start ma, want to post something also cannot meh?

I believe you have your reasons and there's no need to degrade another person's views.

Based on my experience inbound cost are the cost of your education, cost to raise yourself from your parents pocket money to achieve/reach where you are, you've engaged the universities/colleges to give you the right to earn your place in the world. You've taken the risk to go with the flow to study till graduation, in hope to give back to your parents and for yourself to make better living for your future generation, while carrying the cost to recover.

I agree with the performance indicators where every employee added with a right boss who can guide you all the way for you to achieve your dreams is also a way to achieve your target of success, no wrong in that either, but not everywhere we will have that structure we hope for. An established company to work for is a safety net for sure. Regardless, a company is a business at the end of the day right?

There's no wrong to learn more either, we are a benchmark of our own.
Chill la bro, newbie also I read everything from start ma, want to post something also cannot meh?

So damn true, no such thing as zero inbound cost for you to be employed.

Exclude the primary/secondary education cost, only the tertiary alone already costs at least RM30k and above for a degree in local university and 4 years worth of time to graduate and be qualified for the job application alone.

Imagine those graduate overseas definitely cost RM400k and above, what is their first salary ? Give RM4000 nett monthly without any expenses, also takes about 100 month to break even.

Go calculate yourself and be logical.

TL;DR

You can stick to what you believe in, but I think you made up conclusions based on your own opinion, not facts. Displacement vs Saturation ? Its not saturation, its fair competition for market share and expansion. Everybody wants a piece of profit from the 30mil population in Malaysia, and also expand overseas if possible, theres no risk of oversaturation. Maybe for Amway yes because they take in every one as a member, even the sleeping consumers

1. You tried their products before ? NO  You say it seems dubious and overpriced ? Did you perform a control test to see if the products are effective and worth the price ? NO.

2. Website design, as long as it functions well with all the features in it, simple, direct and easy to use is better than nice visualization and complicated designed. Anyway, I don't think they plan to use their website to to generate sales.

3. Free job at McDonalds, you can do it if you want it. Its not everybody's wish.

4. English of 12 year old on international website ? Screenshot please. Would love to see.

Anyway, if you want to test out something then you take the risk. Why would someone pay RM500 for you to face the risk of not doing anything ? Fight and argue then it would start to break relationship and loose a friend.

Theres something called business ethics, no lending or borrowing of money with your business partner as it would lead to argument.

Displacement vs. saturation. Not answered. No need chill here online - no bro bro here - see my profile picture, batman no like if ppl threaten his money empire - My FU is also very chill ma. Or u prefer me use more traditional form maybe CCB maybe for local wannabe batman. Batman want to CCB ma cause you no contribute useful arguments into debate, no fun, then angry ma. Now.. back to business:

Everyone is raised by their parents down to primary and secondary education at equal status at least here in Malaysia or most countries. Tertiary education is optional and not a requirement to obtain a decent earning first job as long as you are sufficiently equipped with the skills needed by the workforce today. There is no risk in tertiary education - you prove your own worth to get a degree - That is what you pay for, not the job. Inadvertently Malaysia has so many support systems to obtain professional certifications if you are willing to actually use those aids to educate yourself well. I got mine completely free - living cost excluded because that is a constant for either scenario we are looking at here - study hard ma - lazy study then expect free study ah? But still the bottom line is, you get what you pay for if you invest in education. Our job is to make sure your knowledge and skills match the competence levels of the academic world, that is all no more no less.

In MLM you don't - because you get put into a pyramid, promised ridiculous income, but it only channels income upwards, you never displace positions and cashflow, and if you build your network, the ground level never makes a gain (even at best scenario - ie you become the next alibaba). Its as simple as that - even if you saturate the market, the bottom level still fails. If you are so determined to succeed, look at our dear uncles anties makciks selling food around the corner? They are not poor and they do direct selling in essence. We have completed multiple studies and they make very impressive income equivalent or sometimes more than some professionals.  They work hard and generate real value with real products or services. You can work hard here, but thanks to useless products, a sham marketing structure, you will only pass cash to the company upline. For any normal job, you also make money for the company, but they pay you based on what you agree for. Don't like, throw letter, get a raise or another company will pay u better if you're talented - and your previous company loses you and your money making talent for them.

That aside, even if you exclude all the rosy jobs with degrees. Even the cleaner's job is better than any MLM, or worse this MLM option. The best MLMs in the world barely get by as lousy overpriced retailers and the majority are nothing more than money game schemes with administration fees by the founder.

Businesses are all about generating value - and the facts speak - they grow if their value is appreciated, and they don't if they are not. There are leading conglomerates in every imaginable economic field today - not a single one of them are MLMs. There is no right or wrong. There are only facts, those that have proven their work and those that haven't and proven their work otherwise and here we publish and challenge them in public. The facts for you:
1. Mc Ocean products are dubious and overpriced and have no fundamental backing. Funnier still it sounds like a McDonalds trying to be a pharmacy chain. Provide any journal publication that verifies the effectiveness of their products? Wait.. they can't even determine what their products do in the first place.
2. The website looks like it was made by a 12 year old. So kiam siap for RM300 annual dinner company? Oh Wait.. they forced ppl to pay for an overpriced dinner, it wasnt a free RM300 annual dinner after all.
3. The scheme as made clear by first hand experiences here show that you are forced to pay and get into debt just to work for the company. Any other company we get interviewed and get in for free so long we contribute as per agreed. Do not twist the facts. We all pay for cost of living, and parents raise and clean your shit equally. And you do not need a degree to get a free job at Mc Donalds either if you're that sad. and they actually pay better than minimum wage surprisingly.
4. Engrish of a 12 year old on a successful international company my ass? Can't afford to even hire a student with good English to fix that?

Like said - prove me wrong - pay me RM500 or let me join for free - no need basic, no need medical, no need EPF. And I try sell la see if I get rich - dun you dare say no pain no gain,  I also have a startup that I burned ass for years before it stabilised. Not even a BMW or Mercedes salesman needs to invest anything to start selling their cars last I checked. You just have to convince them you can sell. Anyway tards in there super rich right? No need care about puny RM500 so put your money where your mouth is ba.
You get what you pay for. Huge difference bummer. 30K into this company and get rubbish ovepriced products available over the counter at less than 20% the price at Guardian and Caring Pharmacy? Not to mention, get into personal debt at far higher interest rates than an education loan and little to no probability of ever breaking even due to no reliable income, hard to sell products, and the dependency to earn by referring others to get duped into the same scheme.

Do not change the topic. We are all at job seeker status - and perhaps to make sure you shall not weasel around the goalposts - the scenario is set, STPM leaver options, no tertiary education. That is as far as you go for free in Malaysia. Plenty of menial jobs with a basic salary, EPF contribution, workplace insurance, all at zero entry into the company, even for the 'uneducated'. If you feel like a businessman, register one for RM80, and you are ready to sell whatever item/service you can come out with albeit with risk - but you have capex options starting from as low as RM500 for small gerais, or even almost FOCs for the many SME support systems available.

On a side note: one should not extend study if they are not inclined to - a different issue in Malaysia when 50% of undergraduates are sorely unprepared for university education yet get a loan and screw themselves when they could just go and get a job right off the bat. Technical work is not the only jobs we can make today.

I would go on to say fakes are everywhere including education especially here, so due diligence is required - but so far, no MLM has been able to prove that their system actually works. If it did, please provide the data, my team will go and collect - and we will even start our own research to prove these findings in your favor in our next publication. As an educator, we believe in teaching the truth - being nice in person, maybe, but online - nah... screw you bummers its nice being an ass - no need to hate me for being a CCB - the true demon shines here.

Forumers will judge based on content and facts put forth. Im still waiting for your rebuttal on the past few posts:
1. Teach me the logic of forcing employees to pay for their own annual dinner benefit
2. Since you seem to know insider information from this very impressive company, I would also like to know what its doing in NAsdaq, and being a publicly traded company then, I would like to see the past financial year accounts verified by a certified auditor, That itself can change the entire perception in a snap of a finger.
3. Displacement vs. Saturation - fundamental flaw of MLM. Hint: alibaba fixed that flaw. Don't say I didn't provide help.
4. Prove wrong the obvious - that every basic job opportunity in the market is better than this option. Does any MLM provide a basic salary or at least enough commissions to equate to a basic salary based on the minimum wage of RM1000 per month with statutory contribution to EPF by the employer, Socso protection and medical insurance? Added with intangible benefits, to purchase them separately equates to about RM1800 of net commissions. How much sales you need to get RM1800 commission at zero investment?

Errrr. Sorry to interrupt the debate u guys having. For point no 2. I have checked with what is uploaded with SSM. They have an audited financial statement with Wong Weng Foo and Co Chartered Accountants (AF: 0839) and the account signed on 30 June 2017 for FYE 31 Dec 2016. Is just RM30 to buy the report from SSM.

Im asking for Nasdaq Mc Ocean International - it should be obvious where the next question is going - just curious who actually trades that share and what they declare in their portfolio for the IPO. Regardless, even I can do mine for plax here in Malaysia with any faux company and faux account to reflect the audit. Audited accounts show nothing but reported cashflow - how a company is operated on the other hand is a completely different matter. Even just the stockists operation is already enough to complete a financial audit. Aint going to waste RM30 for that when the scam is right out in the open on their website to be judged.

So thus your identity is revealed. Good try, but nothing in this world can save that atrocious website inside out. Send some info to your upline its time to fire your web designer.

Lol you got your facts wrong ? I don't think McOcean was listed on NASDAQ stockmarket for public trading and they didnt claimed that as well. From their website and news article, they advertised McOcean on NASDAQ screen located in Times Square New York.

I know you are angry but please dont simply spit out statement to mislead the readers please, enough is enough. Totally bullshit in your post. Assumptions and false statement WTF.

Link
McOcean on Nasdaq NANYANG NEWS

Here is My Experience in Mc Ocean and no longer with it. 

😡 Dishonest Recruiting Techniques

- Psychological/emotional manipulation: Keeping and recording sensitive and personal information like salary, family situation, health insurance, etc about new prospects so that they can attack our "soft points". They call it 'planning' but it is actually MANIPULATION, because they know how to persuade or convince someone to join the business by targeting our weaknesses. They also say it's 'helping people' but in actuality they're TAKING ADVANTAGE of people who are desperate or in a bad place in their lives at the moment, giving us false promises of good income and community support.

-In my case, I already left my job (company wasn't doing well) to do Uber, and they took advantage of my situation to bring me into this scam business, and now my situation is worse off than before! I was brought in by my friend (Ex collegue), annoying invitations on activities (Badminton, Futsal.....Dinners, Princess Day), the moment i decided to have dinner with her but somehow requested to go to Bangsar South (Old Town White Coffee and Warung Andalucia), when i was there, she knew so many people and kept me wondering who are they. The moment i sat down for dinner with her, all this "so called" business partner came in sat 1 by 1, asking how are you, hows work and bla bla bla sap stories and ask me whats my expectation when i run a business.... the whole entire event was till late at night 11pm+ and i was tired from work. The next round, my friend ask me to meet her at Wisma Scope Bukit Jalil, well, hell is the jam, and again the Team party starts... u meet so many types of professionals that quited their job to run this business and kept mentioning about the visits to office. "So called" hard to get slots for the office visits. When in fact when i became a member and went for all their trainings, its just some shit gimmicks to make sure the prospect gets worried that they dont get the special invitation by claiming to say other outsider has been requesting for months just to get the invitation. TOTAL NONSENSE.

-Hiding information about the 34k capital from prospects before MNU: Before MNU, they tell you layers of lies trying to hype us up, avoiding important information like the huge capital and then telling us to take leave the next day(Monday) without giving a reason why, which turns out to be their way of manipulating us so that they can do sourcing for us immediately. Which means your MNU will always be a Sunday. Saturday is where they prepare you for MM(Millionaire Mindset) or Fire Your Boss topics. In the saturday event, they will show you how much you earn from RM2417 to Millions which i can tell you, none of the KP (Knight Premiers) reach to that amount. Speakers would most likely be a Princess/Prince position. They will also celebrate achievers for those that achieve the Challenger Knight Premier Zone and Knight Premiers just to show you that YOU can be like them too. During your ABP which we called it as advising, they will only show you that as a Gold Premier when you bring in a direct you earn RM195, as a Star Premier, if you bring in a direct, you earn RM1950. But they will never show you that you have to FORK OUT the RM34k+ in order to FAST TRACK to be a Star Premier. Whatever you will e going to see during your sit down in the office round table is just a draft or smoke screen on the actual plan. As a Gold Premier obviously there is no demotion. But unfortunately I need to tell you, when you become Knight Premiers, IF any of your downline Star Premiers terminate/withdraw, your PV will drop and you will be automatically be demoted to Star Premier. To get to be a Challenger Knight Premier, you need to make sure you get 5 Stupid Star Premiers with you that willing to FORK OUT 34K+ loan, once you be a Challenger Knight Premier, you need 12 Star Premier to be a Knight Premier where by your 5 Direct Star Premier needs to Find their downline to be Star Premier to accumulate up to 12, (Example: 5 Direct, Each Direct gets 2-3 Star Premier, once accumulated to 12, You will be a Knight Premier), of gosh Poor Souls have to work so hard so your Upline(Yourself) could be a KP.

- For your info on SPGB(Star Premier Generation Bonus), If u got bring in direct that month u have to do small maintenance which is 300pv, if no direct to earn spgb must do big maintenance which is 1800pv, what the hell, all this info has been smoke screen.

😡 Dishonest sourcing methods

- Using 3rd party agent to get loan or sourcing, forcing the prospect to pay RM1.5k - RM2.7k which is separate from the GP and SP money (underhand money? IS THIS LEGAL?). Your KP will tell you that BNM is strict now on people having loans approved, so they have their inside team in the bank to adjust your CCRIS or whatsoever so you get the loan approved fast and get money on the spot. Mostly they will guide you on Monday, Go to BNM to check CCRIS then, your KP willbring you to RHB Bank Klang, Hong Leong, or others to get the loan. After MNU, Monday is where your KP will work very hard to make sure they get you out of the house early to do all this. And mostly they will come to pick u up. So you cant lari anywhere... lol

- Why do we have to pay for the 3rd party agent? I never agreed to give any of my loan percentage to them, and I was never informed of such before it happened!

- Wanting us to pay the GP/SP money as soon as possible, when actually we have the right to have 10 days to think before joining ANY business.

- I got a call from Aeon Credit saying that a RM30k loan was approved, when I didn't even apply for that bank. When I rejected it, KPs called me saying that I shouldn't have rejected the loan because it's by the 3rd party agent. How dare the KP do things behind my back!! This is about something as important as my  financial matters, PLEASE DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT MY APPROVAL OR KNOWLEDGE! YOU ALL ARE INSINCERE, SHADY AND DECEITFUL! Luckily i have resigned from my last working place, in order for them to reapply, the bank will check on your reference with the finance department.

😡 Hiding company's shady past

-I did some research on McOcean and Steady Dynasty and found out that the proud claim that 'McOcean was founded 14 years ago' is a HUGE misleading statement!

-McOcean has ONLY been officially operating since 2012/2013! It got its first license from KPDNKK on 20 August 2013.

-Then what do they mean by the company having been operating for 14 years? Before 2012, McOcean was actually called McRen Oceanus!! It was registered as an investment company on 9 Sept 2009 (according to Suruhanjaya Syarikat Malaysia, SSM). When the company was called McRen Oceanus, it sold products called Energen and Enertein, and had LTT trainings, just like McOcean.

-McRen Oceanus was blacklisted by Bank Negara, so that's why they changed the name to McOcean!

-Also, Steady Dynasty Sdn Bhd or SD Group (which is the distributor arm according to KPs and PPs) has been blacklisted by Bank Negara for a while now, please check the August 2017 list, Steady Dynasty is clearly on there! That is why the KPs tell you to not use Steady Dynasty name to current partners, and use SD Group instead, because they KNOW that Steady Dynasty has been blacklisted and they're afraid that partners will google and find out about it!

-Steady Dynasty was also used to be called Steady Global Network (SGN), and both companies are blacklisted on Bank Negara.

-Another thing that KPs have been lying to you is that SD Group is the distributor arm while McOcean is the manufacturer. That is not true. According to SSM, Steady Dynasty is a company dealing with ticketing services and arrangement of seminars, while McOcean is an MLM company which sells healthcare products through direct selling. Steady Dynasty gets 68% of the profit while McOcean gets 32%, however Steady Dynasty isn't listed as a shareholder for McOcean. Hmmm... I wonder why? 🤔🤔😒 So who exactly are we working under? McOcean or SD group?

-If Steady Dynasty/Steady Global Network was founded on 25 July 2007 according to SSM, while 'McRen Oceanus' was founded on 9 Sept 2009 and McOcean first got its KPDNKK license on 20 August 2013, so what was all that "14 years" bullshit all about??? Something shady is going on here and I need answers!!!

-Btw, Steady Global Network, Steady Dynasty and McRen Oceanus are all blacklisted by Bank Negara as part of illegal MLM and investment schemes, go check for yourself -- it's true. That is why on the McOcean website, under the company policy you have them stating rules saying that NO ONE is allowed to share the company logo and name in public! Why are they so secretive about their branding?? Which is the opposite of the whole purpose of marketing?? MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF THEIR SHADY PAST AND THE CONSEQUENCES IT MIGHT BRING IF THE PUBLIC FINDS OUT!!!! You don't hide something if there isn't something bad to hide in the first place!!!

-To think that the partners have been spreading lies to new prospects in the biz is utterly sickening and exploitative!

😡 Terrible "group" support

-You can hype all you want about "great team support" but you guys are actually FAR from it! You always ask us for help but do nothing to help us with sharings. Every one of you are fake as hell and are only concerned about your own problems, then when we try to voice out REAL ISSUES in the community we are branded as "negative" instead of you guys trying to improve your community. You guys like pushing the blame onto the victims, not realizing that you guys are the bullies!! We were pulled into this scam unwillingly, you guys were the ones who contacted us first, convinced us to join, and then when we decided that the business is not for us, you have the NERVE TO CALL US LAZY AND WEAK FOR STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS AS AN INDIVIDUAL! THEN YOU STOP US FROM QUITTING AND THEN CHILDISHLY ATTACKING EX-MEMBERS FOR SPREADING 'NEGATIVITY' LIKE A KID WITH A TANTRUM! WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT MENTALITY IS THAT?? MANIPULATING BULLIES, THAT'S ALL YOU ARE!

UNEXPECTED TRAININGS:
-Your KP will tell you that you are selected for a training which is called the 3D Training which will be 3Days2Nights in one of the hotels in Melaka/Johor. For seniors that have SPs, will be selected for ELITE Training/LTT Training. You are not SPECIALLY SELECTED. You are there to fill in the gaps for partners that could not get to fill up the room accommodations in the hotel as you will be sharing the bed with another partner in the room. They will probably tell u few hours later during thursday night that you have to travel to the training in a short notice and you are forced to take Leaves on Friday-Sunday. In the 3D Training is intense , you dont have time for rest,eating time shorten just so you could score more points, its like swallowing your food can get back to the hall. By 11pm-12am. U are knock off to bed and next morning 6am to get up to practice your group dance for the FINALE. Beware that they play alot of emotions during the second night of the training, where you will be placed in the Dark Ballroom with Candles in the middle... They will ask you to write your DREAMS,WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE IN LIFE AND BLA BLA BLA AND TO MAKE YOU CRY...and all you could think at that time Mc Ocean is YOUR ONLY HOPE TO SURVIVE. ITS TRULY A MIND FUCK SESSIONS.

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I quit this business because I realize it's a terrible business, and my advice to all the new members are:

GET. OUT. AS. SOON. AS. POSSIBLE.

THIS BUSINESS WILL TRAP YOU, MAKE YOU INTO A VICTIM, THEN MAKE YOU A  ACCOMPLICE, THEN WILL MAKE YOU SCAM OTHER PEOPLE. IT'S A NEVERENDING CYCLE, AND IT WILL BRING YOU TO FINANCIAL RUIN.

THE MORE YOU STAY IN THIS BIZ, THE MORE YOU ADVANCE UP THE RANKS, THE MORE YOU'RE TRAPPED, THE MORE YOU'LL BE IN DEBT, AND THE HARDER FOR YOU TO LEAVE. DON'T KEEP FEEDING THE MONEY MONSTER, DON'T MAKE THE FOUNDERS RICHER.

DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THE KPS AND PPS TELL YOU! THOSE WHO LEAVE THE BIZ ARE THE BRAVE ONES! THEY REALIZED THEIR MISTAKES AND THEY'RE WILLING TO FINALLY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS! THEY WILL HANDLE THEIR DEBTS ON THEIR OWN, WITHOUT RELYING ON SCAMMING OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY OFF THEIR OWN DEBTS!

Those who stay are the cowards. Because you're scared that you can't survive without McOcean. You believe that McOcean is your last lifeline. You feel that if you leave, you will have to take responsibility of the debt/lifestyle you currently have. That's why you're so desperate trying to convince everyone else that McOcean is the holy saviour and salvation when it is not. There are SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE THAT DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE.

Thanks All For your Time Reading This. I believe there are more to be written. For those that are going to attend this 1 October MNU be it In Istana Hotel/Bukit Jalil Golf Resort etc.... Keep your Hands in your POCKET and KEEP YOUR ATM AND CREDIT CARD HARD AWAY FROM THIS PEOPLE. Before i have forgotten, for those members, every single MNU happens in KL, your KP will always ask you to go, you have have to FORK OUT RM138 just to attend every single time, Its a waste of MONEY, but our KP will say, ITS CALL GROUP SUPPORT and HELP OTHERS BRIDGING so that the PROSPECT will see HUGE TURN OUTS IN THE EVENT. THEY WILL FORCE THE PROSPECT UP THE STAGE AND DO THEIR VOWS.

You will enjoy how their tactics on brainwashing people and learn the tricks on how to get your long lost friend out for a drink and poof came in your "new friends" join in which i should say "so called" uplines that will start to play emotions. Be wary. No harm going through the process but make sure to keep your wallets empty and stay away from the ATMs.

Stage 1: You will come to a Team party session either in Bangsar South Old Town White Coffee/Wisma Scope Bukit Jalil.
Stage 2: Invitation to Office where they will show you aroound on their MLM products and marketing plan. They will introduce you to the package of RM2417 and they will expect you to pay that amount after the discussion of the marketing plan. They will never review you the Rm34,000+ plan until you get to MNU which will be held in any hotels during the Sundays.
Stage 3: "IF" they could not dig your RM2417 out from you, they will ask you to pay the minimum that you can so they could register you and say the limitation of MNU Ticket as many people will be buying the tickets. Its a total Bullshits. Thats the way to make you more curious about it. Sunday, MNU, the secret FAST TRACK PLAN will be conducted by a Prince Premier/princess Premier title person and they will add in their sad emotions during the slides which will happen in the 2nd session afternoon after lunch. After the whole session ends, you will be group into smaller groups where Knight Premiers will brainwash you on the Y33 plan which means, WHY RM33k you need to run the business.