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davidke20
post Jul 25 2012, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 01:05 AM)
Until you run into a darn roadblock   unsure.gif
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whistling.gif who say? Ask Luke what happened the other night? whistling.gif

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post Jul 25 2012, 06:32 AM

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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jul 25 2012, 02:19 AM)
Getrag does produce gb for Porsche  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Jul 25 2012, 05:48 AM)
so, went to workshop after work today.asked the foreman to check the battery. he came with battery load tester, clipped to the terminals, tested the voltage under load for few times, then turn on the engine,checked the voltage again. turned off the engine, tested the voltage under load few times. then he tried to start the engine, the engine wouldn't start. came to me,  said battery rosak, not enough power.

did he just drained my battery until the car cannot start ? or is it normal procedure?
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1) Load the bat3 before test, to check how much dry on your bat3
2) Load the bat3 when car started, check altenator jalan a not
3) Load the bat3 again after engine stop, to make sure your bat3 sure talak masuk cas baru konfirm KO

Its perfectly normal and according to standard bat3 checking procedure. Just that, whether did you open the sticker and check water 1st. If you did not check... there is a good chance workshop fella going to tear it off, top up bat3 water and sell 2nd hand bat3 for RM50/piece, and the new owner prolly going to enjoy 2nd hen bat3 up to another 1 ~ 2 years. In short, you rugi lah! *if the bat3 do running low on bat3 fluid the time it discharge quickly
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post Jul 25 2012, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(redshark_999 @ Jul 25 2012, 07:18 AM)
hey, how often shud we top up battery water for this kinda batt? thx =)
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No particular time table. If the original mentenen phree bat3 is working fine, then don't bother. Until it shows symphtoms like after long night cold start, starter doesn't kick in immediately. Something like you turn the key, it crank once " queek..." Silent ph34r.gif turn the key again "wekekeke VROOM" baru start, this is typical sympthom of bat3 less than 12V. Then you cabut sticker(normally after warranty, if still within 1 year better go claim warranty), open the water cap & top up bat3 water.

After cabut sticker, the bat3 is no longer mentenen phree, need to check it regularly, like once a week. Lazy bugger may do it every oil change(5k) icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 11:36 AM)
I think D can dabao most <1.5l (unmodded) cars ady, just step on the gas and your engine will RAAWWRRR  brows.gif  brows.gif Sometimes I will ter-rev to 6k RPM if I'm not careful  icon_question.gif

I use L to dabao Harrier on the way up Genting with 4 person in my car  tongue.gif
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Can arrange MRR2 midnight heat with my 4G13P whistling.gif After the run we go pump petrol and compare FC whistling.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 11:54 AM)
Unker challenge me liao  unsure.gif Dowan saman  icon_question.gif
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Why got saman? blink.gif Me & Luke the previous midnite run also kena roadblock no ticket wor whistling.gif Sumore we treat the white leg eat our hutan bakar as we drive pass
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post Jul 25 2012, 07:00 PM

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Don't read this if you don't have time!

Met another client today, whilst sending a big stack of document to his car, found his white BLM B-Line. As I put document in his boot, found out ULAR RSB in the house! BLM with ULAR FSB+RSB+195/55R15+sagat!!! Twin brother of my GaGa. We had a little chat immediately in love... With each others car wub.gif We test drove each others car during lunch hour, until now only come back from lunch. Both of us left with happiness and bunch of idea exchange between our kar & driving techniques. Here's the detail of our short lunch tauke before he go back Penang.

Begun with my car. He did some zigzag at Jalan Lumut, squeezes us out to Bdr Tun Razak via Bulatan Pahang. He found my steering response is much better than his, more feedback. Went down IJN u-turn, no double clutch, car jerk abit but still finishes the uturn beautifully thumbup.gif then full throttle (didn't go redline since not his car) from 2nd shift to top gear. Slowdown at Titiwangsa LRT due to traffic + bumpy road. He mention rear part of the car is slorppy shakehead.gif I wasn't impressed by his comment as I got RSB! Off he continue, taking about 160 along Jln Istana. He said he doesn't wanna push it since he's not familiar with my car. I was thinking shakehead.gif r u serious?! After Istana connecting Sg Besi is a huge curve, downshift to 3rd gear maintain 110kmh! I was sked remind him the road is uneven, he said he does 120 normally doh.gif Along old airport road was all 140kmh zigzagging slow traffic. I almost did not faint! Stop at Sg Besi Petron drink coffee. This guy is nuts! I can smell burning clutch and bet the brakes was stretched beyond my Genting downhill experience. Overall feedback was both our car pretty close characteristic. Problem with my car was the back a little slorppy. He suspect 3MAX didn't connect both wheel arch, certain allowance of chassis flex are ALLOWED that causes MORE bodyroll. With proper driving skill can actually achieve higher cornering speed, but when it lose control, there will be no turning back because by the time my wheels would be offroad. F*cking impressive review. Many more other input but I forgot to bring a notepad to jod down everything. On the way back road was clear, I was doing 160 to match his driving style(only he learnt double clutching + single clutch synchronize method) He wasn't commenting as concerntrate learning my driving style. He was claiming my driving is fast + comfortable type. He felt safe yet was not lossing the boiling point. He enjoyed my driving and confident I can handle his car well. Then he handover his key... Another chapter begun!

As I turn the key, starter cranking noise exactly the same like Luke's SE blink.gif Not noisy at all. What's wrong with my car!!! Engine response was sponteneous! Exactly like Luke's, if not BETTER! The car is light but bumpy. As I got out to Jln Ipoh, ULAR RSB can be felt. Its entirely different! It felt like the whole car being glued to the ground! We took the same route heading IJN uturn. 2x single clutch, jerk abit on the 1st clutching downshift to 3rd gear due to unfamiliar of throttle response, but from 3rd to 2nd was nice. Braking point was TOO EARLY, almost hit the curb shakehead.gif as I reverse steering to correct angle, RSB in play, rear wheel follow exactly to my front wheels correction - IN OUT IN- immediately full throttle red line! Very impressive setup! We slowdown again at Titiwangsa LRT and continue our journey with around 140-160, but I was more on 4th gear instead of 5th to keep engine rev hai. Was using all the racing line and braking line. As we reach Sg Besi after Istana, I bang to 3nd gear did 80kmh(30kmh less compare to his driving my car). Here comes the problem, the front part of the car was very slorppy in my opinion. I wasn't sure where his car will end up(or LANDED if lose control). 10s of 100s of correction on that corner alone. I had no idea how he claims he did 120 with this front setup. We did between 110-140 at old air port without zigzagging much as I'm not that kinda moron. He was complaining me driving like makcik ady. Again we landed at Petron Sg Besi, I expressed my concern, as not neccessarily drive like a samseng to test the car handling. I also mentioned his weak point of the front setup. The tend to lose control characteristic of his front setup could be the next testimonial for ULAR website. He kinda puzzled by my comment, but happily accepted after awhile. On the way back, he took my advice, maintain 90kmh at airport museum and he can tell what I meant. All thesewhile he's been replying on tayar grip to survive all his corner. He said its hard to control when not pushin the tayar limit at corner. We didn't stop at my office, took the same track again heading IJN so he practice single clutching. Suprisingly he managed to follow my driving style. This round he pay more attention to the steering feeling and wasn't doing all the zigzag circus stunt. He was trying to catch the Sg.Besi from Istana at higher speed, at 3rd gear 110kmh, but I can tell his steering is not feeding him enough info this time. So he "jot" and brake, had a small slide and capture back quickly shakehead.gif I ask him still dare to do 120 at this corner next time? He grin a bit but didn't reply. We decided not to stop at Petron this time, continue all the way until we turn back from Desa Petaling. Along the way nothing much in record, more on coaching and driving sensually.

Reach office again, he demand me to drive him with my car again so he can learn more on my car & my driving. We drove to Jln Ipoh Shell inflate my tyres to 36psi all 4, off we went let him hear my rear wheel screetching, but mostly heavy traffic already. The rest are normal chitchatting. We say goodbye to each other at 6pm. He promised to join the next midnight run if he come to KL next round.

Final note: forgot to take photo & ask his number, how is he going to contact me next time? doh.gif Just now went in office collect my bag, boss ask "u send document to Ipoh ar?" I cincai answer went lunch with client only lar. Now I'm having my "lunch" at mamak whilst typing this paragraph.
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post Jul 25 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Jul 25 2012, 08:04 PM)
Did check the water level. almost dried up. put some battery water, the car OK for a while.  after few days, car again hesitated to start . BTW,  why workshop still buy kaput battery?  tolak to them for 10 ringgit. is the battery still repairable or something?
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The nickle plate still worth a few bucks can be clean up and recycle. Casing still can be recycle when they put in new nicle plate. Your case could be these facts:

1) Those plates has been running dry for too long, even you top up water doesn't channel enough ION to recharge itself. In short, died prematurely.

2) Those plates already died. That's all, better luck next time.

3) hmm.gif what is your normal travel distance? Normally I'll drive without air-con when I have a full discharged bat3(for example forgot to switch off headlamps), to recharge it 9 9 by driving it long distance to recharge it. If your plates not dead, it could be not enough charge... may be

Since change jor, then don't think too much lor blink.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Jul 25 2012, 08:42 PM)
i drive only 15km home to office. my only concern is that the battery guy did push the load button many times before
declaring my  battery as inop. as per your procedure only 3times are enough. takot kena potong. if yes, i will gladly ban the workshop.

btw, as you  said, tukar already, no need to think much.
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May be its not that bad lar nod.gif Bcoz the meter can't tarek that much also. If he go load several time then your battery ady running out of charge, which means its not keeping charge well ady. You can imagine if you stop the car at night, it left 12.5V, but it discharge quickly, by tomolo it left 11.7V then you have hard time trying to crank your engine lor. I think load several time to scare you quickly change bat3 is very normal lar, even if this workshop doesn't do the next 1 also will do. But normally grease monkey like me, I'll ask him to load 1 time then let me see the reading by myself.

1) Stop car for more than 15minutes, get him load the bat3 to see how much left inside, should be around 12.5V
2) Start the car see how much it charge. 13.8 ~ 14.1 is very healthy alternator(no load, running idling speed)
3) Stop engine, immediately load the bat3 and see how much it drop.

Since change ady, nothing left you can do nod.gif just enjoy the new bat3 and the peace of mind
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 25 2012, 08:59 PM)
Really enjoy your long story...

Anyway, other than the differences are due to different brand of RSB+FSB, how about the tyre difference? Although same is 195/55/15, but rubber is different right? Won't it also affect the front/rear feedback? hmm.gif
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Generally, there are too much difference although the 2 cars are similar. We didn't have enough time to summarize/conclude what are the major difference. He's using 8 thin spokes rim + bridgestones dunno what model tayar. Whereas mine is 7 spoke(thinker) rim + falken ez522,252,552,255,525.... can't remember which model ady. My car rear wheels was slightly deflated during the test run to accommodate my RSB.

The very beginning round he took MY car out for a crazy spin, that time I hasn't understand HIS car's characteristics. Which means, he actually can get us killed when he attacking the corner at 110kmh that I did 80kmh. Although didn't hear tyre screeching sound, but I felt the car was floating ady blink.gif

From what I can conclude, his tyre really good. I hit the brakes quite hard before reaching the U-Turn at IJN, there is no sign of jamming at all. The tyre grip is virtually biting the road until I had a too damn early braking point that almost hit the curb. At the 80km/h corner(that he does 110kmh in my car), the road feedback is still there, but the steering somehow become unpredictable. I don't know what should I do, continue accelerating? It could end up understeer all the way, take out the railing and short cut land on Sg.Besi Toyota. If I release throttle, become over steer and hit the inner railing and land back on Jalan Istana west bound. I kinda understand how he does the 120kmh at the corner by continue accelerating, just that I really dont have the guts to do it, scared that once the limit of the tyre habis, then we're done. sweat.gif

Overall, I think both ULAR and 3MAX did their own research work. At any corner of the ULAR car, the rear is much steady compare to mine. It really pushing the wheel arch apart and supporting all the corners very well. I imagine if my car has that bar on it, I'll be screeching my rear falkens even more often. There is very little room for stretching/compressing at the back of the car with ULAR on it. Even go through uneven road, I can felt the whole butt being pulling together(may be placebo lar).

On the other hand, my familiar 3MAX setup become more obvious after tested ULARs. I'd say I made the right choice of 3MAX FSB. It's more on accuracy/perfection/less error in cornering/good feedback compare to ULAR. Every corner, the road feedback is precise. I'll have to confident in controlling. The same corner I attack over and over again, I will have the sixth sense of where the car will end up. I can judge my next action whether to keep it oversteer/understeer. Also, after tested ULAR RSB I totally agreed 3MAX RSB wasn't as strong as ULAR(again, may be placebo). I felt the rear wheel traction of ULAR RSB is more depending on the front wheel adjustment, but then 3MAX is more like it has to follow the road condition to decide where we should go. I can't imagine what would happen if anyone put an 3MAX FSB + ULAR RSB shakehead.gif You'll have the control freak type of front food work, and super glue type of rear wheel traction that follows exactly what your front wheel does. ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

Once again, to conclude ULAR kinda setup is very reasonable. Decent upgrade in control + very good rear action. You wouldn't feel the car has upgraded anything, it felt exactly like a stock BLM, but when you push the limit, you'll feel the emphasized on absorbers/springs/tyre traction has upgraded on the spot. Whereas 3MAX gave that type of ABNORMAL feeling to your car. You feel suddenly your car's characteristic has changed. You know exactly what had happened to your car. You bite the corner with your 3MAX FSB, and you know where exactly you'll end up. Even if you hit a stone, the car bounced up you also can estimate how far the car will jump and prepare for steering correction hmm.gif Come to think of it, Luke did took off his 3MAX FSB and immediately he cannot tahan already. After today, I wouldn't use ULAR to compare with 3MAX anymore. They're both different product and different characteristic, also understand those ULAR die hard fan why like ULAR so damn much and refused to change. It's so comfortable and so normal that you don't even need to readjust your driving habit, just keep attacking corner until you're satisfied. For performance driven geeks, after tasted 3MAX... frankly you will not want anything less than FULL CONTROL and became a control freak!
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 09:54 PM)
David's day so exciting, I jelly unsure.gif

boring nite yawn.gif
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Those are out of agenda. Was originally going home to change Iswaga, then send for 3MAX upgrade today. Because the client came and boss call for a meeting, therefore late jor and FFK Marhaihai. Whilst sending document to his car before lunch, and saw his ikan masin hanger laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 25 2012, 10:53 PM)
Nice story, Unker Dave. As usual I got mentioned tongue.gif Dunno what's so special about my Gaga laugh.gif
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The GaGa twins is Penang kia, dunno whether you guys will bump into each other brows.gif Driving style, agressive like a penang kia no doubt.

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 11:08 PM)
Unker obsessed with your car dy since that nite. Don't be alarmed when you're driving in Penang and see a white Gaga or Iswara quietly following you ph34r.gif
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We already have arrangement smile.gif Thank you for your concern.

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 11:08 PM)
Anyways, if not for the gross intrusion of bootspace, the UR rear strut bar would be the better choice since it ties directly to the rear towers. But, 3max's RSB compromises between practicality and effectiveness, so I have no complains either, it really is up to the individual. I confirm cannot use the UR RSB since bootspace is important to me.

Just wondering, is it so difficult to design a RSB that ties to the rear seat area like the 3max one, then at each end extends out 90 degress and tie to the strut tower?
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Err... I think 3MAX purposely reduce the stiffness of the rear part to accommodate the crazy front maneuverability. Otherwise, they don't even designed it, just simply hook some bars and call it their product blink.gif You ask me 10 times I also wont go ULAR, but I'd like to see what can happen to a car with front 3MAX + rear ULAR whistling.gif

If I go design my rear strut bar, it will be welding 2 bars crossing each others from 1 end strut tower to the other end C pillar ph34r.gif

QUOTE(banoriginal @ Jul 25 2012, 11:22 PM)
Hi all~~
i just get my 2nd hand blm 09 year MT 1.3 on monday ><

add me in the owner list thx
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Finally report in le meh? Faitit post photo lar! Let them jelly your "new" ride icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 26 2012, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 25 2012, 11:44 PM)
Please lah, Penang drivers are more like roadhogs and boh chap (don't care) than aggressive. In KL, always kena cucuk.Here, always get stuck behind slowpoke sweat.gif
What do you mean? The 3max RSB could be stiffer? hmm.gif
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I know how Penang kia drive, when nobody challen them, they slowpoke hog the road... but if you try to overtake... whistling.gif You may start a battle anytime, anywhere

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 11:47 PM)
I think he means the 3max RSB is not tied directly to the towers by design so that the rear is less stiff compared to UR RSBs.
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More or less what I wanna say. 3MAX hasn't really give it a name for the rear bars. Neither ULAR car that a REAR STRUT BAR. Call it upper bar only as it basically doesn't connect to the strut afterall blink.gif And I think by pulling the wheel arch tower does make a lot of difference compare to 3MAX

QUOTE(banoriginal @ Jul 25 2012, 11:49 PM)
soon ^^ now front dunhave logo emblem got abit weird...
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No thundercat mai R3 logo lar. We're waiting for you. Check jor aircond cabin filter mei? If not yet faitit go check come back join the bulk order lar. Go refer page #1 post #2.

QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 25 2012, 11:50 PM)
Actually if the 3Max RSB doesn't connect between the strut towers then they should be called a chassis brace or something else.
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3MAX's rear bar to be correctly address as REAR ROOM BAR. It's exactly the place where it segregate the cockpit and boot space. But then later ULAR 又 come and make noise say 3MAX copy their name or something. ULAR not gentlemen enough ler, sumore dare to claim other people copy their color "WHITE". So any red car outside is trying to immitate FERRARI lar? I think later CUSCO will also come and sue ULAR for immitating their product liao. I make strut bars for car wor, you also make strut bar, its immitation!

Enough sohighness, going to bed. Whole day kampong driving tomorow yawn.gif

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post Jul 26 2012, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(uncleben @ Jul 26 2012, 05:28 AM)
this bulk is til when bro david? i wan to get for my car but need to check the cabin filter first..
the problem is my bro pinjam my car for 2 weeks.. so next week saturday onli i can cnfm my order.. can wait that long ar bro?  unsure.gif

selamat berpuasa to all muslims here~
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Will update postage soon. Just kena tapaued by dugong, bad mood vmad.gif I don't sell anything, nor taking a single cent of profit. Please bear with me awhile, will update u guys as soon as possible regarding the bulk order. Meanwhile, please decide where is the better place for COD DIY TT? Date/Time? I have few suggestion below:

Avenue: Puchong Asia Cafe/Sri Petaling Mamak/Taman Midah Tesco/Sg Besi Petron/Marhaihai 3MAX Subang Esso

Date time: I prefer to do it evening after bukak puasa.
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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Jul 26 2012, 10:54 AM)
after u changed R15 tyre, wat difference compared to stock R13?

notice alot ppl doing this, cant brain it...

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13 eat more petrol.last time 1 tank oni get around 280km lo

Now 15 liao atleast pertank can get around 300km liao lo. Recently finally can get 400km liao lo. Not much special. Car as slow as usual. Car tall like a van lor blink.gif
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Just got back from pos opis, soli to tell there is no cheaper way to send the cabin pilter. So here is a few solution.

1) Pos laju = RM6
2) Pos register = RM2.50 + stamp(tak tau berapa lagi)
3) Pos biasa = stamp(tak tau berapa)

So, if you dun hab anybody at home, just do pos biasa, coz bother other opsyen need to acknowledge receive.
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 26 2012, 06:21 PM)
This thing legal here?
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The speedtrap machine got a transponder that detects any devices that is trying to detect it, and it will snap the car with such device a photo even its not speeding whistling.gif Then the police will start searching your glove box lar,bonet lar, boot lar, your trousers lar whistling.gif
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Sorry my data + phone processing speed is too sloe. What is the current number running on the bulk? We're getting another Ringgit OFF if we hit 30! Those who not place your order yet, hurry! I think only few more to go and we're heading the greater success discount!
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hmm.gif this is major. I didn't know got such promo. If you guys don't mind lemme talk to my supplier see whether he willing to match thé price. Will come back in a flipflop.
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[WTS] Plotong GaGa BLM B-Line 2010

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0 DOWN PAYMENT!!!

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RM435/month * 9 years

* I don't own this car and make 0 profit from selling other people's car, but thought if anyone wanting a GaGa for raya, this will be a good choice. Again, no obligation! Don't negotiate price with me. Don't curse me if you find any cheaper deal. I'm just posting it incase if anyone looking for a GaGa for raya with 0 down payment.


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