Hi all sifu, im confuse with the critical damage. Is that when critical hit means ignore mob def?
eg: now im at infero act2, ~50k dmg show on character stat when i use fury stack 5, 220% critical damage.
but i notice that when i normal hit mob that time if no critical average 14k, when critical that time from 25k-70k only.
If i use revenger if critical hit it will upto 120k.

so how the 220% critical damage work? or got any nice link can share? thx...

cos i notice that at character board there if u wear got critical damage eq, the damage will auto increase. Is that the damage show at character stat is the maximum damage u can get if do critical?

senario 1:
all gear is no critical damage %, damage is 20k.

senario 2:
all gear is same as senario 1 but just weapon add 100% critical damage, damage become 25k.

from senario 1 and senario 2, is that when do normal hit, both will get same damage if no critical? If yes, that means the damage show at character stat is not so accurate already...

Every damage got minimum and maximum value. You don't do the same damage in every hit.

Critical is a successful hit that deal extra damage. So, your hit + 100% (critical damage) is the damage you're dealing.

this is the question i'm wondering also...
if equip with crit dmg item your dps increase....does it means every hit u did after equiping the crit dmg item is higher than before equipping even though it's not a critical hit?

No.

yes, crit damage do increase a little dps


the list is attack speed> crit chance > crit damage

NO.
Crit damage only affects damage from critical hits.

Having a shitload of critdamage items DOESNT do anything if your critical hit chance is very low. (5% lulz)

By the way, noobs should stop looking at the DPS shown at your character screen as a benchmark for damage.

go play with the damage calculator. you will see the damage from one hit. look for weapon with higher range of min dmg and max dmg and at least 1.4 speed. avoid those weapon with +% dmg too

But the problem is that with no +% dmg, you won't get a high dps weapon. All the >500 dps 1H weapon are mostly with +% dmg.

The DPS is Damage per Second .. Its the Average of your Damage..

Just like a car .. You drive in city, you get 10km/L.. You drive at highway, you get 20km/L.. The more you drive in city, the average you're getting will be around 12km~14km/L .. The more you drive highway, the average that you're getting will be more towards 20km/L.. In the end, its not really accurate.. If it shows 15km/L doesn't mean everytime you go out it consume that volume..

errmm let talk this example 1st:
case 1:
all gear is no critical damage %, damage is 20k.

case 2:
all gear is same as senario 1 but just weapon add 100% critical damage, damage become 30k.

lets assume we do the maximum normal dmg no critical.
From case 1, we will get 20k
From case 2, we get 20k or 30k?

lets assume we do max critical dmg,
case 1 we will get 20k?
case 2 we will get 30k or 60k?

It's hard to calculate something which is randomly generated and based on chance.

How to calculate average or the so called DPS?
Hit 1 - 10k
Hit 2 - 50k
Hit 3 - 30k
10+50+30= 90k / 3 = 30k .. You get what I mean? LOL

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jul 19 2012, 01:05 PM

ofcos i will not get constant damage... btw wat i assume here is let say we do max dmg...
Just thinking of dps show at character stat there is real or fake if add in critical dmg % eq....

I also wonder the same. But from my experiance DPS is the average damage that one can dish out. Assuming you max damage 10k. With crit damage the sum goes up to 15k. The 5 diiference is computed from the avaerage chance of hitting crits. so if you have a higher crit chance your DPS will go up as you will crit more. Crit damage is constant but crit chance is not. Its based on random x crit chance%. Bottom line IMHO is ... base damage> ASI> Crit chance > Crit Damage. My preference is always ASI> Crit damage as...ASI is constant, i.e the more shots you get off..more chance of hitting crits. Also ASI build is more flexi, as you can move to LoH build. If you go pure crit damage build, hard to change later... Anyone want to add to the above please fell free?

Of course it is real.

You guys really need to learn math, it's just a simple average.

Yes im pure critical dmg with >50% critical chance... but critical dmg is not constant ler... i can able to see the critical with 22k, 40k, 50k, 70k, 80k ( for normal hit ). If use revenger skill will got > 100k if critical.
i also got monitor my dps show at char stat. eg: 55k dps but just deal 70k critical only with 220% critical damage.... cos with 55k dps and 220% critical dmg i assume it gv me 120k dmg for normal hit. but look like not.... nerf?

DPS is just a figure of your average. You don't really rely on it to show accurate dmg.

Check your weapon min & max dmg. Example 100~200. How you get your DPS?
100(min)+200(max)=300/2=150x1.2(AttackSpeed)= 180DPS

So, you're dealing 100min to 200max at 1.2 times per second. Average is 180.
Case 1 : IF you're unlucky now, you hit 100dmg 100dmg 100dmg. You call the DPS fake? NO.
Case 2 : IF you're lucky now, you hit 200dmg 200dmg 200dmg. You call the DPS fake again? NO.


Let say you have 5% critical chance / 100% critical damage. How you get your DPS?
0.5(criticalchance)*1.0(Criticaldmg)+1=1.5*180(basedmg)= 270DPS

So, if you manage to trigger the critical. According to above scenario :-
Case 1 : 100dmg + 100% = 200dmg
Case 2 : 200dmg + 100% = 400dmg

No la... crit damge is constant in the sense that its a multiplier of the damge you hit., i.e its a % of the damage you dish out on that particular shot. But we know DPS is average, so assuming you weapon range damage is 100-500, each shot may hit for 100 or 500, its random. So assuming your 100 shot is a crit...it will then x with your crit damage % (assuming its 200%) so you will get 300 for the shot. next crit shot is computed the same way..i.e say 300 shot is a a crit damage then its 300x 200% = 600 + 300 base damage that is why u keep seeing your crit damage always fluctuate, but in fact your crit damage is constant =200% always. The difference is cause by the random base damage you hit out lor...

That is why I think ASI boost crit chance. As ASI is also constant, it will boost cirt chance in the sense you get more chance of hitting crits as you dish out more shots.

Adui. I trying to explain DPS and don't understand it at all.
You cannot take your DPS which is 55k and add 220% critical to it. DPS is your AVERAGE. Not CONSTANT dmg.

Meaning that you're dealing 22k damage only on that hit and you trigger the critical.
22k(your hit)+220%(your critical)=70k

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jul 19 2012, 01:47 PM

Lets try with an example of weapon:


Assume:
- damage is multiply by 1500%
- Critical hit chance 25%, critical damage 200%

I think for a hit:
1. roll a value between 325-759. Says 500.
2. roll the critical hit chance. Says no critical hit.
3. Multiply by damage % = 500 x 1500% = 7500 damage.

2nd hit:
1. roll a value between 325-759. Says 700.
2. roll the critical hit chance. Says critical hit.
3. Multiply by damage % = 700 x 1500% x 200%= 21,000 damage.

am I correct in this?

Check above ..

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jul 19 2012, 01:55 PM

It's kind of impossible to explain to them, all they want to see is a huge number.

We know it's just a simple average, stuff that we learn during secondary (or was it primary?) school.

i know the 1500% ;p
let me go back try.

No correct la for eg 2. cause the total damage should be base damage + crit damage le = so its 10,500 + 21,000 = 31,500. Correct?

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Added on July 19, 2012, 1:53 pmNo correct la for eg 2. cause the total damage should be base damage + crit damage le = so its 10,500 + 21,000 = 31,500. Correct?


This post has been edited by gladfly: Jul 19 2012, 01:53 PM

Your 55k DPS shown in character sheet already take into account all your +CRIT %, +CRIT Damage modifiers.
To be more precise, it's the result of your base weapon damage, +IAS, +CRIT % and + CRIT Damage, +max damage, +min damage and +stat bonus damage and anything else that I missed.

Yea.. Sorry.. I miss that out.. Not base damage x critical .. It's base damage + % critical ...
Sorry i confuse ppl cause I already confuse myself.. LOL

Ahaha..its all good yo...

More info to share is always gooding . so conclusion is crit damage is a little overrated if your crit chance is low, same like Sharpshooter is also overated if your crit chance is low.

Yeap. I don't like ppl take sharpshooter into count. That is the most fake figure shown on dps.

Really?

Yea baby. Its a bonus damage so you have to ADD 200% instead of multiplying it.

now i more clear already.... thx yah....

some time i confuse also abt the critical damage

let say pic above . the soket we add another 100% critial damgae . ignore the dex

total critical damage

199% , 784.8 dps weapon 1

70% , 870 dps weapon 2 .

which 1 will u equip ? which 1 boost more dps to the character

This post has been edited by nagflar: Jul 19 2012, 02:47 PM

for sure is weapon 1 will hv more dps on character status screen.

Ppl that has alot of dex will go for higher weapon dmg. Those that has high critical chance will go for critical dmg on weapon.
In your case. Let say the user has 5% critical chance ignoring all other bonuses.
First weapon, 0.5(crichance)*1.99(criticaldmg)+1=1.995*784= 1564DPS
Second weapon, 0.5(crichance)*0.7(criticaldmg)+1=1.35*870= 1174DPS

ur 1st weapon imba.... USD250 sure got ppl buy... my fren sold more or less same with ur weapon, just dex change to str. no vit. sell 250usd
NO LIFE ON HIT lol...

This post has been edited by Abbys: Jul 19 2012, 03:19 PM

I think can sell 1xx USD only. Now economy bad. Not much ppl buying already. Somemore its a spear, less popular cause the slow AS.
Go RMAH check, all stuck there for days.

This Explained Everything

(Weapon Dmg + Bonus Weapon Dmg) = Raw Dmg = A ( a floating number, cause weapon use to have 333~555 dmg )

(Primary Stat bonus % + Skill Bonus %) = Bonus Dmg Modifier % = B% ( a fixed number. Your total dmg bonus % )

Normal Dmg Output = A x B% = C
Critical Hit Chancre = X% your next hit is Critical Hit
Critical Hit Damage = Y% - Your next hit C x Y%
Attack Speed = How many hit you dish out per second.

all the sifus explain in different ways ...

i believe this thread helps alot for newbies in understanding DPS ...

the damage show on your board is the max damage you do in critical damage with 100%damage (included ias, crit chance & crit damage)

can this statement help you?

yeah after some test i oso feel the dmg show is max dmg i can do on critical with 100%dmg.... then this can tell me why dmg show on board 50k but normal hit i deal 15k.
If 50k is my real normal dmg then means the mob got ~70% def..... lol....
50k*220%=110k but cant get max... so that y i get 20k,50k, 80k critical dmg.

Simply Wrong. Probably too lazy to understand the game mechanic.

That is DPS. not max possible Damage...

Now it's my turn to not understand what you both saying and whether you both understand what i said earlier..