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post Jul 19 2012, 11:39 AM

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Every damage got minimum and maximum value. You don't do the same damage in every hit.

Critical is a successful hit that deal extra damage. So, your hit + 100% (critical damage) is the damage you're dealing.
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post Jul 19 2012, 12:17 PM

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The DPS is Damage per Second .. Its the Average of your Damage..

Just like a car .. You drive in city, you get 10km/L.. You drive at highway, you get 20km/L.. The more you drive in city, the average you're getting will be around 12km~14km/L .. The more you drive highway, the average that you're getting will be more towards 20km/L.. In the end, its not really accurate.. If it shows 15km/L doesn't mean everytime you go out it consume that volume..
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post Jul 19 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Abbys @ Jul 19 2012, 12:45 PM)
errmm let talk this example 1st:
case 1:
all gear is no critical damage %, damage is 20k.
DPS is 20k. You don't get constant 20k. It will be based on your weapon's minimum damage and maximum damage.

case 2:
all gear is same as senario 1 but just weapon add 100% critical damage, damage become 30k.
Because critical hit rely on chances, so your dps is calculated based on your critical chance too. You don't get 30k constant.
Hit 1 : 18k
Hit 2 : 20k
Hit 3 : 19k
Hit 4 : 20k (let say now you get critical chance on this hit, so you add 100% critical damage. 20k + 100%)


lets assume we do the maximum normal dmg no critical.
The dps is average. If it shows 20k doesn't means your max damage will be 20k.
From case 1, we will get 20k
From case 2, we get 20k or 30k?

lets assume we do max critical dmg,
There is no min/max critical damage. 100% + your base dmg that you're dealing
case 1 we will get 20k?
case 2 we will get 30k or 60k?
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It's hard to calculate something which is randomly generated and based on chance.

How to calculate average or the so called DPS?
Hit 1 - 10k
Hit 2 - 50k
Hit 3 - 30k
10+50+30= 90k / 3 = 30k .. You get what I mean? LOL

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jul 19 2012, 01:05 PM
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post Jul 19 2012, 01:40 PM

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DPS is just a figure of your average. You don't really rely on it to show accurate dmg.

Check your weapon min & max dmg. Example 100~200. How you get your DPS?
100(min)+200(max)=300/2=150x1.2(AttackSpeed)= 180DPS

So, you're dealing 100min to 200max at 1.2 times per second. Average is 180.
Case 1 : IF you're unlucky now, you hit 100dmg 100dmg 100dmg. You call the DPS fake? NO.
Case 2 : IF you're lucky now, you hit 200dmg 200dmg 200dmg. You call the DPS fake again? NO.


Let say you have 5% critical chance / 100% critical damage. How you get your DPS?
0.5(criticalchance)*1.0(Criticaldmg)+1=1.5*180(basedmg)= 270DPS

So, if you manage to trigger the critical. According to above scenario :-
Case 1 : 100dmg + 100% = 200dmg
Case 2 : 200dmg + 100% = 400dmg
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post Jul 19 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Abbys @ Jul 19 2012, 01:29 PM)
Yes im pure critical dmg with >50% critical chance... but critical dmg is not constant ler... i can able to see the critical with 22k, 40k, 50k, 70k, 80k ( for normal hit ). If use revenger skill will got > 100k if critical.
i also got monitor my dps show at char stat. eg: 55k dps but just deal 70k critical only with 220% critical damage.... cos with 55k dps and 220% critical dmg i assume it gv me 120k dmg for normal hit. but look like not.... nerf?
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Adui. doh.gif I trying to explain DPS and don't understand it at all.
You cannot take your DPS which is 55k and add 220% critical to it. DPS is your AVERAGE. Not CONSTANT dmg. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Meaning that you're dealing 22k damage only on that hit and you trigger the critical.
22k(your hit)+220%(your critical)=70k

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post Jul 19 2012, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 19 2012, 01:44 PM)
Lets try with an example of weapon:
user posted image

Assume:
- damage is multiply by 1500%
- Critical hit chance 25%, critical damage 200%

I think for a hit:
1. roll a value between 325-759. Says 500.
2. roll the critical hit chance. Says no critical hit.
3. Multiply by damage % = 500 x 1500% = 7500 damage.

2nd hit:
1. roll a value between 325-759. Says 700.
2. roll the critical hit chance. Says critical hit.
3. Multiply by damage % = 700 x 1500% x 200%= 21,000 damage.
700 x 1500% + 200% = 31,500

am I correct in this?
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Check above ..

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post Jul 19 2012, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jul 19 2012, 01:52 PM)
No correct la for eg 2. cause the total damage should be base damage + crit damage le = so its 10,500 + 21,000 = 31,500. Correct?


Added on July 19, 2012, 1:53 pm

No correct la for eg 2. cause the total damage should be base damage + crit damage le = so its 10,500 + 21,000 = 31,500. Correct?
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Yea.. Sorry.. I miss that out.. Not base damage x critical .. It's base damage + % critical ...
Sorry i confuse ppl cause I already confuse myself.. LOL
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post Jul 19 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jul 19 2012, 01:59 PM)
Ahaha..its all good yo...

More info to share is always gooding smile.gif. so conclusion is crit damage is a little overrated if your crit chance is low, same like Sharpshooter is  also overated if your crit chance is low.
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Yeap. I don't like ppl take sharpshooter into count. That is the most fake figure shown on dps. sweat.gif
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post Jul 19 2012, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 19 2012, 02:13 PM)
Really?  rclxub.gif
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Yea baby. Its a bonus damage so you have to ADD 200% instead of multiplying it. smile.gif
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post Jul 19 2012, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(nagflar @ Jul 19 2012, 02:46 PM)
user posted image

some time i confuse also abt the critical damage

let say pic above . the soket we add another 100% critial damgae  . ignore the dex

total critical damage

199% , 784.8 dps weapon 1

70% , 870 dps weapon 2 .

which 1 will u equip ? which 1 boost more dps to the character
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Ppl that has alot of dex will go for higher weapon dmg. Those that has high critical chance will go for critical dmg on weapon.
In your case. Let say the user has 5% critical chance ignoring all other bonuses.
First weapon, 0.5(crichance)*1.99(criticaldmg)+1=1.995*784= 1564DPS
Second weapon, 0.5(crichance)*0.7(criticaldmg)+1=1.35*870= 1174DPS
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post Jul 19 2012, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Abbys @ Jul 19 2012, 03:18 PM)
ur 1st weapon imba.... USD250 sure got ppl buy... my fren sold more or less same with ur weapon, just dex change to str. no vit. sell 250usd
NO LIFE ON HIT lol...
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I think can sell 1xx USD only. Now economy bad. Not much ppl buying already. Somemore its a spear, less popular cause the slow AS.
Go RMAH check, all stuck there for days.
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post Jul 20 2012, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(McSundae @ Jul 20 2012, 06:02 AM)
the damage show on your board is the max damage you do in critical damage with 100%damage (included ias, crit chance & crit damage)

can this statement help you?
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QUOTE(Abbys @ Jul 20 2012, 09:44 AM)
yeah after some test i oso feel the dmg show is max dmg i can do on critical with 100%dmg.... then this can tell me why dmg show on board 50k but normal hit i deal 15k.
If 50k is my real normal dmg then means the mob got ~70% def..... lol.... biggrin.gif
50k*220%=110k but cant get max... so that y i get 20k,50k, 80k critical dmg.
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Now it's my turn to not understand what you both saying and whether you both understand what i said earlier.. laugh.gif

 

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