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ALeUNe
post Sep 18 2012, 05:29 AM

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Sep 18 2012, 12:21 AM)
Here's mine. Perhaps you can suggest some skills to be replace from existing one or enhancing certain gears?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ronn-1913/hero/26481104
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Everything has gone wrong with your build.
Extremely low resistance. I have no idea how you complete Inferno.
You might have died countless times along the way.

Virtually no crit chance too.
And thus low damage.

I think you need a total revamp of gears.

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post Sep 18 2012, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Sep 18 2012, 07:46 AM)
Yes, I think my monk died many times before able to complete the missions. Previously I'm using demon hunter and switch to monk.
So means I need to enhance my gear with more resistance elements? Is the current armor allright?
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Your current gears are not all right.

If I were you, I will only keep the fist weapon. I'll change all other gears.
Well, I'll probably keep the chest armor because it is Inna's.

You chest armor has arcane resistance.
So, you replace all your gears with all resistance + arcane resistance.

Get another fist weapon and you should be able to get 20K DPS easily.

Get crit chance from your gloves, amulet, helm, bracer and rings.
Get crit dmg from your amulet, gloves and ring. Otherwise, just get crit dmg from your weapon will do.

If you want to have LOH build, get another weapon with 900+ LOH and an amulet with 400 LOH.

It's a total revamp as your current gears are really so rojak.

Keep your HP @ 35K / armor @ 6K / AR @ 600 / DPS @ 20K (the more the merrier).


Added on September 18, 2012, 7:12 pm
QUOTE(xiaols0817 @ Sep 18 2012, 05:57 PM)
with dps 30k and hp 25k+ and resist 750+ ( unbuff )

41k dps and 31k hp ( buffed )

hardly survive against some elite on act 3 inferno under solo mode... so pain and hp so long....
any1 help me? @.@
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Very low HP.
You are going to lose a lot of HP if you have low armor and AR.
You won't make it.

What is your armor?
Well, your AR seems fine.

Post the link of your hero.

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post Sep 18 2012, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Sep 18 2012, 08:09 PM)
It's actually "% Damage dealt converted to Life", so ya, including AoE. Not to be picky in the calculation but:

300k LS at 3% in Inferno = 300k * 3% * 20% = 1800 life.
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300K damage? I doubt you can have 300K damage every hit.
I don't rely my life on chances.
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post Sep 18 2012, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 09:42 PM)
my normal hits are in the 100k's, crits in the 200-300k range. how about that? (then again i have 0 LS and 0 LoH)

no one limits you to have only 3% LS, no one limits you to have ONLY LS and not a combination of LoH (to deal with non crits) and LS (when you're critting) together.
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krip chose LOH over LS because it gives consistency.
That is a general idea.

If you can dish out 100K damage every of your hit, assuming you have full 6% LS, you get 1200 life return.

Well, not many people can have 100K DPS.
You are one of the very few.


Added on September 18, 2012, 9:59 pm
QUOTE(mikonito @ Sep 18 2012, 09:44 PM)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zultimu...6/hero/21011342
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with 5.90 LS i  always on sweeping vs mobbing and can more mob > better heal and my strategies is when almost die use 7ss to recover hp sometime can recover hp to full if crit. LS work better with high dps so if u got lower dps consider getting loh for better heal.
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7SS doesn't give high life return.
I use 7ss for immunity & damage.

Directly hitting the monster gives you much more faster regen than 7SS.
i.e. I need 3-4 direct hits to fully recover my HP. 7ss only gives me 5-8% of HP recovery.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:03 PM)
or do your own math.

i only have 40k dps on my inventory. many people posting in this thread are FAR better than i am. so what is this "one of the very few" you're talking about?
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So, you have 40K DPS but you can dish out 100K damage every of your hit? Why did you do?
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post Sep 18 2012, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:03 PM)
or do your own math.

i only have 40k dps on my inventory. many people posting in this thread are FAR better than i am. so what is this "one of the very few" you're talking about?


Added on September 18, 2012, 10:04 pm

keyword: you

you rely on LoH.
it scales 0 with 7ss.

so 7 hit x what, 2.4k of your LoH? yeap.
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I have both LOH and LS.
Yeap, it could be the reason LOH doesn't work with 7SS.


Added on September 18, 2012, 10:06 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:05 PM)
were you reading what i have posted in this post? if not i'd suggest you to do so again.
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Which one? Or I missed it?

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post Sep 18 2012, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:11 PM)
Oh, I get it.

You produce high DPS from crit chance.
What if no crit chance? And you only produce 5K + 5K + 50K?
As I explained to cowithgun, it is not advisable to rely life regen on chances.

LS, if you can produce high DPS, on chances.
LOH is a more direct and consistent life recovery.
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post Sep 18 2012, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Sep 18 2012, 10:20 PM)
Well..actually you can Aleune...100k consistently is achievable nowadays....just go glass cannon ....I.e stack the highest DPS weapon with max dex and from Buffs...

BoH and MoC together (for 3 sec) gives 63% additional damage without any crits. So imagine a 1.2k mace with 2500 dex...with WOThF... me thinks its possible smile.gif
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I have 40K DPS. I do get 100K+ damage when crit chance ticks.

Of course it is possible to have 100K DPS too (without buff). It all depends on your gears.
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post Sep 18 2012, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:22 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
you either read or you don't. i'm tired.

how you come up with 5k 5k 50k baffles me when i said i do 100k non crits and 200-300k crits. lol.
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Ok, sorry, I get confused.

So, you can produce 100K damage every of your hit then.
With full 6% LS, you can get 1200 life return.

It still doesn't change the fact that LOH delivers a more consistent return (instead of relying on crits).
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post Sep 18 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Sep 18 2012, 10:30 PM)
Yes LoH is more direct..IMHO for a monk its not ideal. For the simple reason you need to hit a mob to regain the life, whereas my monk has sweeping wind which does not proc LoH, but still gives me LS. Dont you think the cyclone is wasted when it hits doesnt proc LoH. For me LS is better in the sense that once I get enough cyclones up...doesnt matter if the cyclones are hitting for 10k only as each hits would grant me 60 life return and that is not taking into considration that the damage I am whacking out. Its more effective in that sense...

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I think both LOH and LS need to hit a mob to gain life.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:32 PM)
facts (which i have said before and i am saying again):
- LS does NOT rely on crit. it only relies in you doing more damage. if you rely on crits to do damage, the problem is you, NOT LS
- LS scales better
- LS consistency depends on you. you can have default 5% crit chance (lowest one can have as a monk) to almost never crit, if you demand for consistency so much
- LS have WAY better AoE co-efficiency
- LoH AoE co-efficiency depends on a static skill based co-efficiency
- LoH cannot scale by itself; it relies on stats such as IAS to scale.
- who's to say you cannot have both LS and LoH?

TLDR (again, as it seems to have trouble getting it):
-if you want LS to perform, do more dmg.
- krip's video is outdated, however STILL hold valid pointers (namely the math behind everything, why LS or LoH etc)
- i don't have either LS or LoH, so don't even begin to call me out on picking sides ROFL


Added on September 18, 2012, 10:34 pm

eh LS confirmed to proc off sweeping wind ?

awesome if so  brows.gif
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It's not meant to take sides.
There is no right or wrong in this.
It depends on gears. It's up to one's play style.

It was discussed when cowithgun mentioned 300K damage.
And I pointed it is inconsistent to rely life regen on chances.

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post Sep 18 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Sep 18 2012, 11:39 PM)
#Aleune - When I said LS doesnt need to be hit..it meant secondary damage dealers like cyclone..which once proac..you just let it run its course. Of course LS you still have to do damage to gain the life back thus you still need to "hit" mobs but you can do it various ways. LoH is constant hitting...i.e you must hit with your mouse pointer to get the loH, thus in situation when in CC, LoH is pretty useless, but LS still works=wind+cyclone. I hope you get it...
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Yeap, now I get you.
I have both LS and LOH too.
I used to have LOH only.
Of course, LOH + LS is better. Something additional anyway.
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post Sep 19 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Sep 19 2012, 11:18 AM)
Guys.. Need ur point of view on this build...
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FE3DOE-6358/hero/7865297
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Decent weapon DPS/crit but still low damage.
It is your low DEX.

Low HP, low armor and low AR.
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post Sep 20 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 20 2012, 12:18 PM)
I even downgrade from 42k to 38k, how?
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Eh?

I slowly upgrade mine. DPS/AR/Armor are now 42K/1050/6790.
Can't find high DPS weapon with good LOH. So, I think I'll stick to 40K DPS for a long long time.
I should be able to get around 7050 armor this week.
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post Sep 20 2012, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 20 2012, 03:24 PM)
Do you guys face the problem of spirit not regen fast enough? the mobs all KO in 1-2 hit hard to gain back the spirit without any spirit generation gear.
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Yeap, this is normal, especially in solo mode.
Only use sweeping wind if there are more than 3 normal monsters or an elite.
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post Sep 20 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 20 2012, 03:29 PM)
not only solo, coop with high dps buddy also had such problem.
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Yes, it could happen in co-op if the team is overgear (you have more than 2 players with 100K DPS).
But it's seldom as compared to solo.

P/S On a 2nd thought, it also depends on what are the players you have in co-op game.
i.e. if you have 2 high DPS witch doctors in your team, your punch and sweeping winds may just hit air most of the time.
Zombie bears will pretty much wipe out anything in short range.
Whatever in long range will be killed with poison dart/plague of toads/firebomb/acid clouds/zombie dogs/gargantuan.

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post Sep 20 2012, 04:22 PM

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Gear up for LVL70 monsters.

If we can't beat LVL70, Blizz will give us more powerful weapons (Manticore with 4 sockets?).
Our existing gears will be obsolete and only worth 2-3% of the price we paid then. laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2012, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Sep 20 2012, 04:24 PM)
Anything wrong with my monk????

- Always enough spirit...

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For 57 seconds, you are surrounded by many monsters. So, you would not run out of spirit.

I think it is a playing habit too.
Do not spam sweeping wind when there are few monsters.


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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 19 2012, 02:00 PM)
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May I know the damage of energy ball? Estimate damage will do.

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post Sep 20 2012, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 20 2012, 04:46 PM)
no idea mang~
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Can't you see the damage number on the screen? Or the reduction of HP of the monsters?


Added on September 20, 2012, 4:53 pm
QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 20 2012, 04:45 PM)
3% of my 100k sword = 3k. Approved.

Pity those who invest hundred of millions... whistling.gif
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My Barb has 800-900 DPS axe with STR + VIT + socket.
Each of the axe cost me 6-10 millions.

I can't even sell it for 50K at AH now. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 20 2012, 05:05 PM)
nopez, i dont play with him as the guild on FB has over 160 members
all frens referrals to join.
he posted the screenshot, i just share it here but no idea how much dmg it deals~
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I see.
It would be good if the energy ball can generate high damage on multiple targets.

The demon slave from Maximus is quite powerful. It can cause quite high damage.
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post Sep 21 2012, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 21 2012, 09:52 AM)
so now everyone halting their gear upgrades and wait for the next 105 patch?
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You didn't halt. LifeX is going for 100K DPS. yuhhaur is going for LS.
I didn't stop upgrading too.

So, I think it is a no.

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