If ure not in a hurry, why not go for a 2013 model instead of driving a 2012 car for 2.5 months and then losing 1 year's depreciation on 1 Jan 2013?

Wont be March. I think more like Feb. So ure talking only 5 months which is a reasonable time to wait if it means saving about RM 10K in resale value.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 19 2012, 04:51 PM

If there is a specific need to change the car now, then yes go ahead. But he didnt sound like it was a specific need. So enjoying a new car in this case is not more valuable. Being prudent and evaluating cost vs needs is more important in this case. That extra 10K can be better used for his family's needs.

Just to share my experience. Btw, do you know what bragging means?

Im sure u know that the best investors are those who plan ahead. Sooner or later ure gonna sell. No harm in considering all aspects before purchase. But in your case, ure getting the car in Sept which is still ok.

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Added on September 20, 2012, 8:37 amLoss in resale value can be compensated by quality of life which is determined by the Elantra?

Well spoken by someone who earlier said that as long as the registration is dated 2013 then its fine.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 20 2012, 08:39 AM

Read my posts again. Im not one who gives importance to resale value. If i was i would have bought a Camry instead of a K5. I think its silly to choose a car based on resale value (which many ppl in Malaysia do).

But what im saying is what's the harm in waiting 4 months to save a potential >RM10K loss in future resale value? If its a urgent buy then fine but if its just to satisfy some personal urge to drive a new car, then its not a very wise decision to make.

Plus with Budget 2013 due to be announced next week, there will be an important announcement related to the automotive industry especially since Elections are around the corner. Yes whatever change will only take effect in 2013 but ull see 'unofficial' changes immediately for sure.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 20 2012, 12:51 PM

Do u know whats quality of life? A better quality of life among others refers to:

1) A better & effective education system for our children
2) Top class Government medical treatment at affordable prices
3) Higher levels of public safety
4) A well planned urban transport system which reduces / eliminates dependence on personal transport and increased environmental emmisions.
5) Affordable housing for all
6) Lower inflation and affordable prices of essential items

Driving your family in a new 2012 car as compared to a 2013 car does not increase their quality of life. It merely improves their comfort levels in 2012.

Who's naive now?

Well everybody will say that in 2012. Go to any other car dealer e.g Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyundai and ask. Everybody will say the same thing. Its expected as everybody wants to push off 2012 models fast. Starting end Oct, the discounts and freebies will start coming out to help push sales. But in early Jan, when 2012 stock has finished, these same salesmen will start saying 2013 models coming in few weeks only instead of their 2012 story which was 2-3 months. Its the same cycle year in year out.

They did the same with the Kia Optima K5 when it was launched end 2011. Everybody claimed the 2012 models would be coming around April since its CBU but in reality, despite the global shortage, 2012 models arrived end Jan. Many owners were caught unaware.

Those who opted for the balance 2011 models in 2012 received their cars just about 1 month apart from those who waited for the 2012 models. And there was no discount for the 2011 models mind you. So imagine losing RM15K in potential resale value just because they couldnt wait a couple of months. At that time, i too advised many not to be taken in by all this salesman talk but sadly some went ahead and believed. But luckily some listened.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 20 2012, 01:18 PM

If the K5's demand was not more than supply, then how come its very difficult to get a test drive unit? Even now when there are separate production in America.

Bro, i dont like to repeat in case i get flamed but i too tested K5 9 times before i bought. But most of the cars were actually customer cars not test drive units. I didnt quite know at that time.

But take my advice. Go for the K5. The space and specs are better. Plus, K5 now still CBU unlike Sportage.

Highway can achieve 5L/100km???

At what speed? 90kmph?

Bro, most modern cars can achieve 5L/100km at constant 90kmph. Isnt really something special. But even then these are just figures. The biggest contributer to FC is the way u drive. So i wouldnt really bother about these FC figures. If u drive un-economically then even ure in a fuel saving car, ure still gonna get high consumption.

Bro, before u accuse anybody of being a 'big cannon' u need to understand how car manufacturers come up with these fuel ratings. Go and read up and tell me how many cars on the road today can actually get the exact same readings provided by the manufacturers. The reason being, they have been tested under ideal conditions not actual road conditions. If ure not sure what 'ideal' conditions mean then i suggest u read more.

I have tested my own K5 FC and i have achieved 6.0L/100km at a constant speed of 110kmph. So how much would my FC be at 90kmph? Do u really think that 5.0L is difficult to achieve? The new Camry 2.5L would also easily achieve 5L/100km at a constant speed of 90kmph. Do u know the RPM of a Camry 2.5L at 110kmph is only 2750? How much would that RPM be at 90kmph? The new Passat 1.8L can also achieve 5L/100km at 90kmph easily with its 7 speed DSG. The first generation year 2003 Vios 1.5L with a 4 speed GB can achieve 6.7L/100km at 110kmph. At 90kmph, it would be just below 6L/100km.

But as ive said before, FC figures depend highly on the driving style. Data provided on brochures are just for reference and rarely replicated in reality.

So while u base your 'facts' on ideal test results provided by manufacturers to boost sales, my facts are based on actual data from drivers.

Who's the loose cannon now?

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 21 2012, 01:49 PM

Ure a joke. When i provide facts, u ask for photos. When u talk about Proton its fine but when i bring up the FC of Camry, K5 and Passat, u say this is Elantra thread. When u talk about data provided by a brochure its fine, but when i provide actual data from owners, u say something else. U claim i contradict my own statement. How can that be when im still saying the same thing? Nothing has changed. I was refering to actual FC readings. It was u who assumed otherwise. Or maybe u dont quite understand what 'contradicting' means?

U asked if i tested the FC myself. I didnt and its pretty obvious from my earlier post. Tha data was provided by owners based on real consumption not something provided from computers either. Bt somehow u are confident that most modern cars cant achieve 5L/100km FC. So my question to you would be did you test out other cars to ensure that they cannot achieve these figures? A taste of your own medicine.

Btw, i made a mistake with my earlier statement about the Camry 2.5L RPM. Its 1,750 at 110kmph. Not 2,750 as stated.

And its alright to compare with other makes. That will allow u to see where your car stands. No harm at all.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 21 2012, 03:32 PM

Dont expect discounts when there are desperate ppl who dont realise the losses in resale value getting a 2012 car in Dec. Take my advice and either wait for a 2013 model or another car. But either way go for a 2013 model.

Thats the old perception. Many of the Japanese and Korean cars are on par with European makes in terms of safety. For your info, the Ford Focus only got a 4 star safety rating by the American NHTSA while the Elantra got a 5 star rating. The Kia Optima K5 was also rated higher than even the latest BMW 528i (frontal impact), 2013 VW CC (rollover impact) and 2013 Merc C class (rollover impact).

Bro, read my earlier post. Ure talking about AVERAGE reading while im refering to actually ACHIEVING the said FC. Of course if u drive over 150km even on highway at 90kmph u wont be able to maintain 5L/100km due to the road gradient and stop go traffic. Everybody knows that. But 5L/100km is achieveble by driving at 90kmph on a fairly level road. Thats wht im trying to say.

Btw, do stop using currency to discuss FC. Just stick to L/100km. Easier for everybody to make comparisons.

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Added on September 24, 2012, 4:16 amYes ure right in a way. BUt u need to also remember that sometimes when we talkabout specs, we're not always refering to what we need. Having more specs for an affordable price is also good for resale value in the future. Just imagine if the above specs can be included in a sub 130K car in 2012, imagine what kind of specs will be in cars by 2017? I would think that the specs above would be as standard as power windows. So if your car doesnt have them, it would affect your resale value especially for cars like Ford which do not enjoy good resale value.

Yes u may say resale value isnt important now and i agree that while we should not choose a car based on resale value, we should still give it some thought and look for ways to reduce the losses in future. That's why i urge ppl not to be foolish and rush for 2012 models now when its gonna be 2013 in 3 months time.

Btw, i had another good look at the Focus over the weekend. The rear seat legroom is really tight. More than i realised before. The rear space is only marginally bigger than the really cramped Fiesta. This will be a serious drawback for the Focus now and also in the future. There is no way 3 normal sized adults can sit comfortably in the back. This is a serious oversight by Ford.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 24 2012, 04:16 AM

Well, we can't change dimensions but we have a choice about specs. The additional specs on the + are major specs not just cosmetic. So yes i think they will contribute towards a better resale value in future. Also u need to take into account which model is getting better sales. If the Titanium + is getting better sales, then resale values for that will be better than the other model.

So if you can afford, go for the Titanium +. That's the most value for money model. Nobody will doubt that. If ure only going for the Titanium, then i think the drawbacks of the rear seat legroom are too big to ignore. The Elantra would be a better choice.

But in the end, its your choice but do remember to consider all options. Dont rush into any purchase.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 24 2012, 09:05 AM

Pity u. Getting 2012 car end of 2012.

It will be interesting to see the overall car sales figures in Malaysia. Would like to see how the Korean cars are faring against the Japanese.

There wont be any price decrease this year la. Any changes will be implemented in 2013 onwards only. But i doubt there is gonna be any reduction in prices. Such an announcement will send 2nd hand car prices crashing and this wont be good for the election. I think its gonna be more on giving out some discounts to change car more often. Similar system like in the US and Europe to keep old cars off the road.