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 Inverter vs Non Inverter Aircon ., Really save electricity ?

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post Jun 28 2012, 11:39 AM

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Also inverter running at 100% load is actually less efficient than non inverter.

Whatever the gas R22 will be phase out, so in future we maybe running the same gas for both inverter or non inverter. Or maybe another type of gas.
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post May 23 2013, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(davkong @ May 23 2013, 02:23 PM)
My hall area exactly the same size as you, i calculated online, the BTU required is 13000. 1.5HP can produce up to 12000BTU, Daikin model up to 13500BTU. I might just get the Daikin inverter 1.5HP. My hall no direct evening sun, and the only source of natural light is the balcony doors, even that is shaded by the balcony protruding out.
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If your a/c rated 13.5k btu, and your house need 13k btu that mean your ac may need to work at Max power to retain the room cooling. Better get bigger size.
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post Jun 20 2013, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jun 19 2013, 08:15 PM)
Got some data from an ac manufacturer. Still need the following infor if you have:

a. cost of 2 HP normal ac
b. cost of 2 HP inverter ac
c. installation cost for normal ac
d. installation cost for inverter ac (needs thicker pipe for the higher pressure)
e. refrigerant cost - R22 (normal) & R410A (inverter)

Cleaning cost for the 2 types will be about the same as per the manufacturer.

With the above, I can then calculate the breakeven point and share the finding here. Not rocket science accuracy but what you have paid will do.

I am from Sarawak and we pay 31 cents /kwh here. How much is 1 kwh in W M'sia?

Many thanks.

P/S Instead of individual split units, any one here using centralised system? Why? One bigger compressor should be cheaper than 3 or 4 smaller compressors. Yes, cheaper but one will loose out on availability-reliability.
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Have you factor in time to come R22 gas refill will be more expensive? Is like car a/c gas now try to refill the old gas is getting expensive.
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post Jun 20 2013, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 20 2013, 02:06 PM)
There is an interplay between your choice of A/C brand and the 2 factors here.
i.e.: Daikin has a R22 inverter model ...if you opt for that one,  you don't need a thicker pipe and don't need to use R410a, which is still more expensive.
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I did not follow much on a/c pricing since i move. What is the price of Panasonic inverter vs Daikin R22 inverter, what are the price difference, and can the price difference use for compensate the piping cost?
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post Jun 20 2013, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 20 2013, 03:36 PM)
I'm not sure of the price either, but there isn't a significant delta last I recall. 1 HP for either model should be around the RM1300 price range. I think Daikin's R410a models are more expensive.
IMHO, if you have an existing R22 piping installation, you can save money now just upgrading with Daikin's R22 inverters. If your house is brand new with no piping, no harm future-proofing with a R410a installation.
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My last comparison was 2011, the Daikin and Panasonic difference allow me to buy Panasonic, and the saving use for piping and still have some $$$ extra for tea.
If I recall the difference was about 150, and installation difference was only RM 100. <this is for standard installation>. So to me Daikin or Panasonic for normal purchase with installation was not much difference.

But well I did not use Legend installer because I had mine conseal and install by another contractor.
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post Jun 20 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 20 2013, 04:06 PM)
Did you factor in the gas and cost of servicing? In my case I didn't want to spend exhorbitant amounts for R410a, and a lot of people were telling me Panasonics were underpowered....
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Many people say underpower, have they compare BTU/watt ratio? I compare few model the ratio are not much difference. Efficient is when BTU/watt ratio are high. Meaning High BTU with less watt. Panasonic have lower btu than some other brand, that also mean using less energy.

I use Panasonic for many years, no problem. Except my new house inverter but is not panasonic unit problem is the pipe having micro leak. All fix and so far so good.

How much more for the service R22 vs R410? And if you clean the filter every month. Actually recommend is once every two week. you don't need to service every year. Maybe once every 2 years.

How much difference for R22 vs R410 service? my R22 service is 100+ each time, for R410 is just additional 10 to 20 buck only. When my a/c guy service he take out everything, every single parts and clean, and isolate the circuit boards. My service guy can take like 2 to 3 hours to services one a/c. Is really full services. Which I think only necessary after few years.
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post Aug 19 2013, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(^pomen_GTR^ @ Aug 19 2013, 12:05 PM)
among the main culprit of electric bill spike when using a/c
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How many time the Ac on/off in one hour? The switching is not the main culprit. Unless it switch hundreds of time in an hours.
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post Aug 19 2013, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(^pomen_GTR^ @ Aug 19 2013, 01:03 PM)
i would say the compressor would kick in-cut off every several minutes as they regulate the room temperature...pretty much like when u feel the a/c compressor kick in-cut off in your car while driving....

as the biggest spike and power consumption inside a/c system came from the compressor motor...(electric motor which is requiring high current load to start moving)
an inverter actually was a system of capacitor bank+voltage regulator that self regulate the current according to the needs..which is quite clever system to reduce the current load spike in any electrical system....

to me...i would opt for inverter equipped type for any new electrical appliance whenever possible....consider it as preparation to keep the electrical bill manageable later on.....
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Most modern AC compressor have reduce the inrush current, it does take higher current but not that much of spike. I never remember my A/C compressor switching on/off that frequent. I do think the behaviour depend the temperature set. Which I usually put 23.


BTW, Car A/C with climate control now don't cut compressor that frequent and use radiator water to control temperature.
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post Oct 10 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(hyalbert @ Oct 10 2013, 04:48 PM)
Had used a 1.5 hp aircond for almost 11 years and changed to a panasonic 1.5 hp inverter since mid August this year as electricity consumption of the earlier aircond unit was 12 kwh nightly from 10 pm to 7am at 23C. No longer efficient in power usage.
I have been tracking the new inverter aircond usage and on average it is around 6 kwh nightly for the same duration at 24C.
I am satisfied there is good savings in electricity consumption.
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Your temperature before and after also different. What is the kWh usage if set back to 23?
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post Oct 10 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(hyalbert @ Oct 10 2013, 05:04 PM)
I have not set at 23C since it is already cooling at 24C. Would it be higher consumption at 23C ?
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Sure yes.
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post Oct 10 2013, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(hyalbert @ Oct 10 2013, 05:15 PM)
Thanks. So, why consume more power at a lower temperature when I am comfortable with cooling at the current temperature level.
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To have a fair comparison. Previously you set your old Ac to 23c but now you set 24c if both setting give you same comfort level, very likely your old unit sensor not working well. Because inverter and non inverter, temperature still temperature all using celsius.
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post Oct 10 2013, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(platinum_12 @ Oct 10 2013, 07:27 PM)
Still it doesnt change d fact that the inverter is better in term of power saving.
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No doubt on saving when inverter is use in enclosed environment. is for sake of comparing apple to apple and actual saving with the accurate data.
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post Oct 12 2013, 12:13 AM

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1L and 1.5L car is much different? Even the number are difference but same unit. wink.gif

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post Oct 13 2013, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Oct 13 2013, 01:39 AM)
I am using the hitachi 600L Inverter.
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If you have the model, can try compare with the SG energy database see can find your model, they do it pretty good with more practical real life test.

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post Oct 24 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(dinor01 @ Oct 24 2013, 11:12 PM)
inverter air cond need 4 wire for the compressor?
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Yes minimal. Some need 5 so better check the requirement for the model you plan to buy.
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post Jun 24 2014, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Diiimn @ Jun 24 2014, 01:19 PM)
Can you hear say the Panasonic inverter air conds going at full load or different loads?
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Press the powerful button on the panasanic remote. It will overdrive the Ac. I see most Panasonic inverter have this function.

Compare it when under normal, and when the led on the blower change color. My Panasonic blower have a led indicator red being max, yellow medium and blue low.

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post Jun 24 2014, 04:59 PM

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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3267255

Powerful mode make the Ac work harder cold the room faster? So you it cost more or less when it work more?

Read your manual. You see what is Tue different for each led.

QUOTE(Diiimn @ Jun 24 2014, 04:09 PM)
In this case, what's the difference in electricity bill with 2 of these different horsepower air conds, 1 rated 13.5k btu, another is larger? As my logic is I'm assuming both air conds can cool the room the same, but one just could cool bigger rooms than this, so both will eat the same amount of electricity bill to cool the current room, in addition to the bigger price to pay for the larger BTU air cond.
I've the "POWERFUL" button. What does overdrive do?

w/o powerful is cheaper significantly( significant being more than RM30 savings) or not? I thought red, yellow and blue= the e- ion air cleaner thing?
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post Jun 30 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 30 2014, 12:31 AM)
why don't use low watt AC? for 1 HP is only 640 watt/hr. so if you get 8 hrs then 5120 watt/day. then your monthly bill should around rm 70. cheap right?
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Don't look only at low watt usage. You need to know the BTU/Watt, higher BTU/Watt mean more efficient.
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post Jun 30 2014, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 30 2014, 10:21 AM)
it doesn't work that way. if you have a large room, you can't use a low watt AC and expect it to cool down the room easy. one more thing with downsizing the AC is that the compressor will be operated continuously, without any pauses in between, which will lead to premature failure.

it's a known fact that an AC motor needs to cool down in between heavy load. a downsized AC will have no chance to cool down which will affect the longevity.
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yes, and a proper sizing is important, bit higher spec is also ok because the compressor will not overload/overwork.

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post Jun 30 2014, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(chng5255 @ Jun 30 2014, 10:41 AM)
Does single phase/three phase wiring home take consideration in choosing inverter/non inverter air cond?
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No, all household A/C up to 3HP are single phase. Unless you go for 4HP or higher you may have to go with 3 phase.

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