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 Inverter vs Non Inverter Aircon ., Really save electricity ?

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post Jun 30 2014, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 30 2014, 11:34 AM)
Can install ceiling fan to help the aircon, no?
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Fan help circulating air not cooling it. If the air is 33c no matter how strong the wind it still 33c. Unless you use water to evaporate, that will reduce the heat buy increase the humidity.
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post Jun 30 2014, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Diiimn @ Jun 30 2014, 03:28 PM)
I double checked w/ the Malaysia Panasonic headquarters, the LED for my Panasonic air cond, blue, red, orange= the air quality indicator, not all air cond LED= power/ anything else.
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Thanks for the info, maybe my mistake. I compare the power consume and notice it go accordance to the LED color. Blue being lowest and red being highest when it just start-up.


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post Jul 29 2014, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(wongpeter @ Jul 28 2014, 06:58 PM)
From what I have read, R22 or Freon will be banned by year 2016. With this ban you can be sure Freon will be scarce and hard to come by. As such its price will significantly rise.
Puron or R-410A should by then be much cheaper than Freon.
I think it makes for good economic sense to go with Puron now as it is already 2014. Only less than 2 years to go before Freon's price should rise drastically.
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Come back 2016, see you still can get anyone selling and servicing.
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post Aug 3 2014, 01:41 PM

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Get a powerful unit you still can choose to have a cold or chilled room. If the Ac not powerful enough you end up wasting energy and money.
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post Aug 21 2014, 10:33 AM

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All the build in human sensor are mostly motion sensor and InfraRed to detect heat. If not much movement, it will act smart and increase the temperature, which I find it no use when put in bedroom. It increase like 3c more and making it stuffy.

I disable this function, and set it 23c when I sleep.
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post Aug 21 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Jasonlee1603 @ Aug 21 2014, 09:38 PM)
Yeah I've already switch off this function. Finally it performs like an air-cond. Not heater.  rolleyes.gif
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Good, another solution is set the temperature to 22c or lower, when it auto increase it won't go too high.

Also the fan sometime completely shutoff when you put fan mode to auto.
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:34 AM

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I been using Panasonic, york for so many donkey years and times. So far so good. York have an issue, think the newer model should solve it, problem when indoor unit remove and service the parts easily broke.
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 13 2015, 11:39 AM)
Pana is ok for the overall, just slighly slower cooling time to compare others brand.

York my kampong one the indoor blower bearing rubber lost within 2 yrs time.
Once service and created heavy vibration noise at all.

maybe under Daikin can be solve out.
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I don't know how you define "slower cooling time to compare others brand.", my previous room using york, and pana before. Both provide the same speed of cooling.
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post Jan 13 2015, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(telur @ Jan 13 2015, 10:04 PM)
Guys , When servicing the compressor of the aircond , normally the contractor will charge higher fee when its place on the roof ? Im advised by my contractor to hide the compressors at roof slab of double storey house . I need to decide whether to put on the roof slab with shorter piping OR to put somewhere easier to reach but with longer piping
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I doubt price difference, unless is very hard to access. When you say roof is it on the roof tiles or on the concrete? Cannot put on the tiles. If compressor are shaded, you compressor work less to cool the gas. Nothing to do with will rust or not. Unless you plan to use it forever maybe rust is a concern.
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post Jan 14 2015, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 14 2015, 09:22 PM)
Your England is indeed powderful, hard to understand...  laugh.gif

Each brand will have different BTU due to their set up, but each brand of air-cond will still blow the cool air, if the BTU is smaller, surely it cool down slower.

Yes, each brand's efficiency is different due to their design/material used etc,  but every air-cond sure will blow out cool air, certainly it won't be needing 2 hours to cool down a room if there is no undersize issue or external issue.

Air-cond not cold, then surely something is wrong with the air-cond, either gas leaking, problem in evaporation, heat exchange, blower fail to deliver due to clogged, there is no air-cond being designed and manufacturers that cannot blow out cool air to cool down a room. If said faster or slower to achieve 25c due to BTU and efficiency issue, then yes, each brand could be different.

But to say 23c A brand is same with 25c B brand is some powderful science out of nowhere.

23c never will be the same with 25c unless the air-cond thermostat has error in detecting the temperature.

You can say A brand is more efficiency, cool down to 23c faster, while B brand achieve 23c slower or hard to achieve, then it makes sense in the statement.
Mind that you set the temperature at the remote control at 23c, doesn't mean your room will be 23c, it just means the compressor is told that once achieved 23c, it can stop working (in non-inverter), or slow down significant (in inverter), it doesn't mean the air blowed out is delivered at 23c.
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smile.gif yeah to powderful until I already stop trying to correct him/her. 25c is cooler than 23c is like saying my freezer made ice at 2c, and yours at 0c

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post Jan 15 2015, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jan 15 2015, 03:18 AM)
day by day I found kimsim is dellusional
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post Jan 15 2015, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 15 2015, 09:28 AM)
It is not the temperature, but other reason. The people ontop already explain to you.

Beside temperature, there is this call humid which also influence your cool feeling.
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Someone is just trying to take it as my new car travel at 100KM/h Can reach Ipoh in 60mins, while my old car travel at 110km/h only reach Ipoh in 70mins.. That justify the new are is better. Sound like it define physic right biggrin.gif

Not knowing what are the calibration used, is both using the same measurement tools? Even Speedo have variation.
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post Jan 15 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 15 2015, 10:04 AM)
I think his speedo is mph. Your 1 is KM/h.  tongue.gif
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Haha... yeah. Maybe one is C measurement, another is F measurement but label as C

That make sense now. 25F biggrin.gif freezer, no wonder so fast cold.

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post Jan 16 2015, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 16 2015, 09:24 AM)
That is user faulty... No wonder you can't save much

Like a car cushion leather seat, fatty body can be boken the seat cover and blame to MFG design not up to quality
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Without knowing more and you blame user problem?


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post Jan 16 2015, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 16 2015, 10:04 AM)
As a MFG since they already meantion on over an Internet website.

25C as a guide line for you to saving energy, inverter was variable speed, even Increse or decrease one degree can tell that keep warm or cold.

From 25c to 24c pre-set from that outdoor fan motor will starter runs faster to meet up your pre-set.

If over setting like 23c or set to high fan speed from that computer would telling outside compressor & fan motor runs like jet high speed.

In this case set to 23c inverter outdoor unit already tell you that runs out over speed and does not meant you can save more.

From non-inverter were fixed speed they didn't tell, from starter runs in high speed till pre-set are reached and slow down or compressor cut-off.

But indoor how? Could you get the same cold air blowing out? Or warm air?
(Sensitive person will wakeup or suddenly what happening or blackout)

From inverter you would feels that cold air stopping blow out, but still maintenance the room temp, until the computer outside and indoor change then compressor start runs again, but that is called parts load from very minimum input watt load.

I dunno you guy how to in proper usage
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What are you trying to say here I am lost? I am lost. Where is the guideline you mention? 25c sure use less energy, why not set it to 28c is even use less. This is because the differences between outdoor and indoor temperate are low.

Than again your claim of 25c is cooler than non-inverter 23c have no scientific proof. Unless you are using the same measurement equipment that are properly calibrated. Your statement inverter set temperate at 25c is coller than non-inverter 23c is like "my new Hybrid car reach my office travel at 70km/h reach office faster than my old petrol car travel at 80km/h."

Don't put claims you can't give justify. Especially with numbers.
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post Jan 16 2015, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 16 2015, 11:08 AM)
Cherroy already explain to you la. You don't understand his explain is it?

This is not the Aircon problem.

Just use your way to save.
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That is what I saw, some people are just pure ignorance..
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post Jan 16 2015, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 16 2015, 11:13 AM)
Ha ha how much time you can wait from non-inverter temperature reaching?

From my previous usages was taken around 3 hours at least.
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That is only you.

My home office take about the same time as my master bedroom.
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post Jan 16 2015, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 16 2015, 11:08 AM)
Yes, R410 being run at higher pressure, hence the heat exchange "cold" faster then R22, hence cooling effect will be much faster, but it doesn't mean your room become "colder" then non-inverter.
Cool faster /= colder.

Both inverter and non-inverter should slow down/cut off the compressor once their thermostat sense the temperature of room is dropping below the pre-set temperature.

Eg. A room with inverter, B room with non-inverter,
If both temperature is set at 26c, thermometer should be getting reading of 26c in both room.
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Not to mention r410a are flammable.
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post Jan 16 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 16 2015, 11:18 AM)
Office who wanna bother?

Room more important as your sleep and comfort time.
Even one degree more warmer you would realise the overall room temperature are hot.
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Don't be selective reading. I wrote "Home office"
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post Jan 16 2015, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 16 2015, 11:21 AM)
I think you have to explain to him in mandarin.
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Well, if a person willing to learn, they find ways to learn and open up the mind. If not willing, even spoon feed also useless.

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