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 Inverter vs Non Inverter Aircon ., Really save electricity ?

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davkong
post May 23 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(emeryn @ May 23 2013, 12:39 PM)
For a room with 12.4ft x 14.7ft, with 9ft height. How do you calculate that and what HP needed for this?

For a hall, since it's kitchen open concept together with living room. It's 29ft x 14ft, with 9ft high ceiling(includes kitchen). what HP is needed for this?

Am thinking to get inverter since if the aircond HP is big enough then it will save electricity. right? (coz of more start/stop)
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My hall area exactly the same size as yours, i calculated online, the BTU required is 13000. 1.5HP can produce up to 12000BTU, Daikin model up to 13500BTU. I might just get the Daikin inverter 1.5HP. My hall no direct evening sun, and the only source of natural light is the balcony doors, even that is shaded by the balcony protruding out.

One more, I usually set my temperature to 25-26C.

This post has been edited by davkong: May 23 2013, 02:25 PM
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post May 23 2013, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(davkong @ May 23 2013, 02:23 PM)
My hall area exactly the same size as you, i calculated online, the BTU required is 13000. 1.5HP can produce up to 12000BTU, Daikin model up to 13500BTU. I might just get the Daikin inverter 1.5HP. My hall no direct evening sun, and the only source of natural light is the balcony doors, even that is shaded by the balcony protruding out.
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If your a/c rated 13.5k btu, and your house need 13k btu that mean your ac may need to work at Max power to retain the room cooling. Better get bigger size.
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post May 23 2013, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ May 23 2013, 02:13 PM)
At least 1.5HP for ur 12.4ft x 14.7ft.
Living room surely need 2.5HP.

Some of my fren suggest for living room, use non-inverter, since the air is not fully trapped, might goes to staircase or kitchen.
So inverter engine will keep running and not optimized to its usage.
For room is OK to use inverter.
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Thanks for helping. The living room measurement given has already included the kitchen space as well. So, just stick to 2.5HP non-inverter?

so for the room itself, 1.5 non-inverter is good enough which will help on saving electricity?

May I know how did u calc to get the btu? what's the btu for both my room and living room?

Any suggested brand for 2.5HP non-inverter and 1.5 inverter?

This post has been edited by emeryn: May 23 2013, 03:04 PM
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post May 23 2013, 03:02 PM

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what's the average price for a 1h and 1,5h air con?
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post May 23 2013, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(emeryn @ May 23 2013, 03:00 PM)
Thanks for helping. The living room measurement given has already included the kitchen space as well. So, just stick to 2.5HP non-inverter?

so for the room itself, 1.5 non-inverter is good enough which will help on saving electricity?

May I know how did u calc to get the btu? what's the btu for both my room and living room?

Any suggested brand for 2.5HP non-inverter and 1.5 inverter?
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http://aircon.boxpinoy.com
it use Meter, so u convert urself in google first from feet to meter.

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post May 23 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ May 23 2013, 02:44 PM)
If your a/c rated 13.5k btu, and your house need 13k btu that mean your ac may need to work at Max power to retain the room cooling. Better get bigger size.
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True. bigger is better than smaller.
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post May 25 2013, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(davkong @ May 23 2013, 02:23 PM)
My hall area exactly the same size as yours, i calculated online, the BTU required is 13000. 1.5HP can produce up to 12000BTU, Daikin model up to 13500BTU. I might just get the Daikin inverter 1.5HP. My hall no direct evening sun, and the only source of natural light is the balcony doors, even that is shaded by the balcony protruding out.

One more, I usually set my temperature to 25-26C.
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Hi, I've just went to Daikin and Panasonic website.

Daikin Inverter (1.5HP)
FTKD35GVM (R22) - 10,900 (4,750 - 13,650)
FTKS35DVM (R410A) - 11,900 (4,750 - 13,650)

Panasonic Inverter (1.5HP)
CS-S13PKH (CU-S13PKH) ~ 1.5HP - 12,500 (3,140-14,300)

In such case, Panasonic seems to hv higher BTU as compared to Daikin's , isn't it Panasonic better?

Any brand good for a non-inverter for hall like 2.5HP or 3HP? I calculated my hall with kitchen(since is open area), if well insulated it's 24833btu, if medium insulated then is 33111btu. The balcony sliding door will be tinted and if rooms doors are close, but there will be computer in the hall, can I assume it's well insulated?
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post Jun 3 2013, 08:18 PM

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http://vkchoong.blogspot.com/2010/03/produ...verter-air.html
wow, QC for panasonic is so bad. japanese products losing their reliability gold medal
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post Jun 3 2013, 08:55 PM

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Anyone use mitsubishi air-con? Any comment?
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QUOTE(Jv8888 @ Jun 3 2013, 08:55 PM)
Anyone use mitsubishi air-con? Any comment?
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dude. mitsubishi is giving 3year warranty indoor.
but i think parts are expensive.

get york better. old skool
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post Jun 6 2013, 05:26 AM

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QUOTE(NelsonBoy @ Jun 6 2013, 12:34 AM)
dude. mitsubishi is giving 3year warranty indoor.
but i think parts are expensive.

get york better. old skool
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Yup. York you can use acson spareparts. Cheaper.
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post Jun 13 2013, 11:39 AM

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york and ascon are both made by HLI. just York is more expensive coz need to pay some fee to York.
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post Jun 16 2013, 01:52 PM

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Still deciding on whether to get non inverter air cond or inverter air cond. Want to estimate the savings to make a better decision. Need some data and hope that you can help.

Imagine 2 identical houses

AA with non inverter acond
BB with inverter acond

1 * 2 HP acond
2 * 1.5 HP acond
3 * 1 HP acond

in each of the 2 houses.

Assume switched on for 8 hours per day for each acond

Need to know :
* price of 2, 1.5 & 1 HP acond for normal and inverter types (any brand will do)
* installation costs for the acond (extra cost for inverter aconds?)
* refrigerant costs
* elect usage KWh for all the aconds for the 8 hrs (I will try to get this from the suppliers or web)
* cleaning costs for normal and inverter aconds

If the breakeven point is more than 8 yrs, I think I will stay with normal aconds. Why 8 yrs? Time to change aconds anyway.

Thanks.

P/S Also trying to decide on whether to get wall or ceiling type acond. Pros and cons?

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post Jun 16 2013, 01:59 PM

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I'm using 2 x 1.5HP, 1 x 2HP . Use atleast 12hour perday . rm6++ bill per month . Now want to install new 1 in my room size 18' x 12' x 14' . How many HP I need? PLan another 3 aircond by the end of this year .
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QUOTE(Cruxs @ Jun 16 2013, 01:59 PM)
I'm using 2 x 1.5HP, 1 x 2HP . Use atleast 12hour perday . rm6++ bill per month . Now want to install new 1 in my room size 18' x 12' x 14' . How many HP I need? PLan another 3 aircond by the end of this year .
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Check out this link.

http://www.cromaretail.com/air-conditioner-capacity.aspx

Note : A ton of cooling power is about 12,000 BTU or 3,517 watts as stated in the article.
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post Jun 16 2013, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jun 16 2013, 02:52 PM)
Still deciding on whether to get non inverter air cond or inverter air cond. Want to estimate the savings to make a better decision. Need some data and hope that you can help.

Imagine 2 identical houses

AA with non inverter acond
BB with inverter acond

1 * 2 HP acond
2 * 1.5 HP acond
3 * 1 HP acond

in each of the 2 houses.

Assume switched on for 8 hours per day for each acond

Need to know :
* price of 2, 1.5 & 1 HP acond for normal and inverter types (any brand will do)
* installation costs for the acond (extra cost for inverter aconds?)
* refrigerant costs
* elect usage KWh for all the aconds for the 8 hrs (I will try to get this from the suppliers or web)
* cleaning costs for normal and inverter aconds

If the breakeven point is more than 8 yrs, I think I will stay with normal aconds. Why 8 yrs? Time to change aconds anyway.

Thanks.

P/S Also trying to decide on whether to get wall or ceiling type acond. Pros and cons?
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Dont you want to factor in comfort offered by inverter aircond?
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post Jun 16 2013, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(platinum_12 @ Jun 16 2013, 05:49 PM)
Dont you want to factor in comfort offered by inverter aircond?
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Comfort like more quiet?

What else?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jun 16 2013, 08:32 PM)
Comfort like more quiet?

What else?

Thanks.
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Nope.. less temp fluctuation = stable temperature.
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post Jun 17 2013, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jun 16 2013, 01:52 PM)
Still deciding on whether to get non inverter air cond or inverter air cond. Want to estimate the savings to make a better decision. Need some data and hope that you can help.

Imagine 2 identical houses

AA with non inverter acond
BB with inverter acond

1 * 2 HP acond
2 * 1.5 HP acond
3 * 1 HP acond

in each of the 2 houses.

Assume switched on for 8 hours per day for each acond

Need to know :
* price of 2, 1.5 & 1 HP acond for normal and inverter types (any brand will do)
* installation costs for the acond (extra cost for inverter aconds?)
* refrigerant costs
* elect usage KWh for all the aconds for the 8 hrs (I will try to get this from the suppliers or web)
* cleaning costs for normal and inverter aconds

If the breakeven point is more than 8 yrs, I think I will stay with normal aconds. Why 8 yrs? Time to change aconds anyway.

Thanks.

P/S Also trying to decide on whether to get wall or ceiling type acond. Pros and cons?
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Get the inverter.

But I m lazy to explain again. Read back to get the answer.
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post Jun 17 2013, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 17 2013, 12:05 AM)
Get the inverter.

But I m lazy to explain again. Read back to get the answer.
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Noted.

Unfortunately, I am one of those who likes to quantify a decision based on number. Ha. The breakeven point gives me a better picture of where the non inverter vs inverter ac.

Cheerio.

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