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 Inverter vs Non Inverter Aircon ., Really save electricity ?

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oe_kintaro
post Apr 18 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(mimi1986 @ Apr 18 2013, 04:32 PM)
Thanks for the clarification.

But I think when u used the word 'cooling capacity' above, u r referring to 'cooling efficiency' rite?

Anyway, my existing pipes is the thicker pipe for R410a so not an issue. And the quotation for installation of R410a inverter model is rm200 versus R22 inverter model rm150, so the only concern is the gas refilling cost.  smile.gif
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efficiency = output / input. how much you get out of what you put in. High cooling efficiency means you get more cooling out of less power used. IOW, more cold for less electricity used.
If you already have thicker pipes, then it shouldnt be an issue any more.

Lastly, some people say Panasonics are loud but others say they are quiet. I can't tell which is one is correct, but I know Daikins are consistently rated as quiet and supposedly have better build quality. At the end of the day it's more a case of a personal preference/brand loyalty, but both brands should meet your needs. smile.gif


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post Apr 21 2013, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Apr 17 2013, 12:32 PM)
I'm assuming you are changing from an existing R22 gas aircond installation to a R410A inverter type. You can save money on the piping by just getting Daikins. They are the only brand in the market with R22 gas + inverter combo. Best case scenario is you won't need to change your piping at all. Plus, their compressors are more thermally efficient than Panasonics
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Hi, thanks for your recommendation. Does all model of Daikin R22 can use back the old piping? But I assume need some wiring for inverter control right?
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QUOTE(czlee88 @ Apr 21 2013, 12:27 AM)
Hi, thanks for your recommendation. Does all model of Daikin R22 can use back the old piping? But I assume need some wiring for inverter control right?
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Piping yes, I think can reuse, but wiring might be different. Best you check with your installer
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post Apr 22 2013, 12:22 AM

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For inverter. There are how many steps of the compressor speed. I think it has only 3. 0% 50% and 100%. Is it?
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post May 15 2013, 11:00 PM

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Additional note, inverter unit seems less cooling then non-inverter. So if you're those expect very fast cooling, then non-inverter is not for you
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post May 16 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(normality78 @ May 16 2013, 12:00 AM)
Additional note, inverter unit seems less cooling then non-inverter. So if you're those expect very fast cooling, then non-inverter is not for you
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Its not less cooling, its just has a better temperature control. In return you'll get better power saving.
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post May 17 2013, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jun 27 2012, 11:50 AM)
U'll see savings IF u set ~>25C above. if u constantly set <22C or below, it is as good as non inverter
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Not very sure bout temperature, I am using Panasonic Inverter.
So far average I on my aircon 4 hours average weekdays and include weekend (goes up to 7-8 hours per day).
normally 25-26celcius.

Electric Bill increase bout RM5-10 only.
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post May 17 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 27 2012, 09:56 PM)
Here my actual experience. First aircon is panasonic non inverter 1hp using 8hr for sleep. Bill average rm110. Run  about 8-9yrs before it finally spoil.

Replace a new Panasonic inverter 1.5hp. Same usage. Bill cost me average rm70. Already running 5yrs till now.

First yrs already get back my return compare non inverter. Base on the last time bill and current bill. 5yrs now I already save rm2400. The save Can use for service the aircon many many time.

No matter how many hr using, it still save. Long or short. Sometime I find you guy are very slow to adopt the technology which is already more than 10yrs old. And still undecided it now.  hmm.gif
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Thanks, good to listen from "real" experience.
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post May 17 2013, 07:21 PM

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Guys I'm still using non-inverter and trying to save on the electric bill like everyone else cause I turn on my AC most of the time. Nowadays I use Dry mode and I take a reading from my meter for a few days to try out. Normally using the normal mode I used about 18-19kwH per night but using Dry mode I can get 13-14KwH.

I feel Dry mode can be quite cold as well. Wonder if I'm doing the wrong thing smile.gif
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post May 20 2013, 04:31 PM

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My non inverter Pana is about 8 years old, and is not cooling very well. It starts/stops every 10 minutes or so even with the temperature reduced to 22-23% at night after a hot day. My aircon service guy says the compressor is not working properly. What do you guys think?

Thinking of changing to the inverter model (S13-PKH).
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post May 20 2013, 10:24 PM

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Guys how many HP air con is recommended for a 300+/- studio?
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post May 21 2013, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(B u B u @ May 20 2013, 10:24 PM)
Guys how many HP air con is recommended for a 300+/- studio?
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At least 2.5HP for 300sq studio.
the 300 sq is bout a big size of living room 17feet x 17 feet.
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ May 21 2013, 09:47 AM)
At least 2.5HP for 300sq studio.
the 300 sq is bout a big size of living room 17feet x 17 feet.
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OMG serious?! I was thinking something like 1.5HP would be sufficient...
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QUOTE(B u B u @ May 21 2013, 10:05 PM)
OMG serious?! I was thinking something like 1.5HP would be sufficient...
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From a few online calculator. 1hp is enough for your case provided your room is well shaded and no kitchen in it. If not take 1.5.
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QUOTE(platinum_12 @ May 21 2013, 09:19 PM)
From a few online calculator. 1hp is enough for your case provided your room is well shaded and no kitchen in it. If not take 1.5.
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QUOTE(B u B u @ May 21 2013, 10:02 PM)
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Seriously I don't think 1HP is enuff for you.
1HP maximum cover around room area bout 10feet x 10 feet.

So your studio is 300 sq or 421 sq?
if 300 sq, u need at least 2.0HP, summore weather is very hot around april/may.


http://aircon.boxpinoy.com/
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ May 22 2013, 09:48 AM)
Seriously I don't think 1HP is enuff for you.
1HP maximum cover around room area bout 10feet x 10 feet.

So your studio is 300 sq or 421 sq?
if 300 sq, u need at least 2.0HP, summore weather is very hot around april/may.
http://aircon.boxpinoy.com/
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Only need to take 300sq into consideration, as the remaining (421 - 300) are the toilet and outside gate area.
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QUOTE(B u B u @ May 22 2013, 05:20 PM)
Only need to take 300sq into consideration, as the remaining (421 - 300) are the toilet and outside gate area.
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Yes. Its takes 2 hp for your case not 1 hp. Looking at your house plan, if i were you i'll install two 1 hp aircond to get better cold air distribution. But it will cost you a bit more on wiring.
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For a room with 12.4ft x 14.7ft, with 9ft height. How do you calculate that and what HP needed for this?

For a hall, since it's kitchen open concept together with living room. It's 29ft x 14ft, with 9ft high ceiling(includes kitchen). what HP is needed for this?

Am thinking to get inverter since if the aircond HP is big enough then it will save electricity. right? (coz of more start/stop)

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post May 23 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(emeryn @ May 23 2013, 12:39 PM)
For a room with 12.4ft x 14.7ft, with 9ft height. How do you calculate that and what HP needed for this?

For a hall, since it's kitchen open concept together with living room. It's 29ft x 14ft, with 9ft high ceiling(includes kitchen). what HP is needed for this?

Am thinking to get inverter since if the aircond HP is big enough then it will save electricity. right? (coz of more start/stop)
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At least 1.5HP for ur 12.4ft x 14.7ft.
Living room surely need 2.5HP.

Some of my fren suggest for living room, use non-inverter, since the air is not fully trapped, might goes to staircase or kitchen.
So inverter engine will keep running and not optimized to its usage.
For room is OK to use inverter.

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