Huh? So far, only authorised set available, haven't seen any AP.

What authorised dealers?
Joking or what?
No stock everywhere = not in demand? LoL
So, got many stock, cannot sell, means in demand? LoL!

Maybe not don't want, I check with someone, he mentioned not every shop can get hold of the stock. So for those shop cannot get stock, will they still promote the device?

Even have the hardware, the OS need to have support for this as well. That being said, Nokia may have this feature for their in-house OS, but for other OS, that's another story.

The sales person can always do a hard-reset first and see.
I suspect possibly the sales person are not very familiar with Symbian, maybe he's using an Android or iPhone, and the shop is now pushing Lumias, so possibly the person not really familiar with Symbian? Just guessing.

OR maybe... after playing with the 808,... in his/her heart... grew affection and starts to fall in LOVE! He/She wants the 808, and since is the last unit.... so......

He's not from KL.

Cannot afford D800, lol
Can shoot-out with Calvin Seak

Why drop off Symbian? Ask Elop and Microsoft. Do you know Elop is ex-Microsoft?
Rumor has it.. *beat* *beat*... a story about infiltrate and attack from the inside... then...

Some question to ponder:
1. Why Nokia must stop MeeGo and Symbian? Why can't they use MeeGo, Symbian AND Windows Phone?
It seems some agreement with MS forces Nokia to kill Symbian and abort the premature MeeGo. If you notice, Samseng, HTC also have Windows Phone... but it's not doing well and Samseng and HTC is focusing on Android.
So, if you're MS, how would you ensure your partner push your OS? Especially when Windows Phone is dying and struggling to survive... they need someone big to STEP on and climb OVER
This is GOOD NEWS for Microsoft, they just kill off two of their major competitor, Symbian and MeeGo. This deal is all beneficial to Microsoft.
2. Why Nokia cannot use Android or go multi-platform?
3. Why Nokia need to announce they will kill off Symbian 1 year BEFORE they even have Windows Phone to sell? Because they announce this, they start to loose MANY of their customers...
Are they SO CONFIDENT all the Symbian owners can switch to the inferrior Windows Phone? To many Symbian owners, sorry to say, it's a downgrade because Windows Phone is more restrictive and it doesn't work like a TRUE smartphone, it's like a MEDIA Phone.
Thanks to this SMART move, Nokia start to LOOSE BIG on their customers, and where did these customers go? Well, did you notice Samseng suddenly become SO SUCCESSFUL, so rapidly, so EASILY? They also became World No. 1, but how? Where did they get SUCH LARGE base of Customers?
4. Why Nokia killing off their own OS and go for something they have no control, more restrictive and become single platform? Android has much more flexibility, but they chose Windows Phone?
What's more, now Nokia Maps is BUILT-IN Windows Phone 8.
What happen to Nokia? What is UNIQUE for Nokia then?
Will the Nokia Maps in Windows Phone 8 be called Microsoft Maps later?
If Nokia is selling Windows Phone 8, why would people buy a Nokia WIndows Phone, when there is Samseng's Windows Phone, which the brand is now MORE popular and possibly MORE interesting to many people.
What's left unique for Nokia? How will FUTURE generations remember Nokia? Is it a Nokia phone or Microsoft Phone? Nokia name will slowly fade away as they have nothing unique anymore as you can see, they're slowly being eaten up by Microsoft.

All I can say is, the deal with Microsoft, has bring NO benefit for Nokia, all I can see is damages and it's killing Nokia everyday and at fast rate.
Look at Lumia 900, just not long after it launch, Microsoft has to announce that Windows Phone 8 is not supporter to current Windows Phone 7. It's indrectly KILLING NOKIA harder, stabbing deeper. It shows how much they don't bother or care about Nokia; Perhaps it's also their plan to bring down the giant and maybe when the giant is vulnerable and value drop to very low, it's time to devour it?
It's just very sad to see what's happening to Nokia. They were once so good and have so many great things.
Whatever happen to CONNECTING people? The deal with Microsoft, is DISCONNECTING people.
Whatever happen to "It's not technology, it's what you do with it"? The deal with Microsoft, it's let Microsoft DO Nokia.


In terms of smartphone OS, Maemo/MeeGo are still the best. But not everyone needs/wants a smartphone OS, most people just want APPS APPS APPS and GAMES GAMES GAMES.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 18 2012, 11:13 AM

Windows Phone wanna be successful is very SIMPLE.
But I have no idea who in charge of Windows Phone, why they make it so restrictive, control this and that, so many limitations... It's totally so NOT Microsoft. They're like copying Apple, it's like a blind management, see iPhone very successful, let's COPY it, and they copy the good and bad instead of take the good and drop the bad.

Many Windows Phone user got annoyed and pissed off with the restrictions and limitations. Why they need to restrict? It's a smartphone or is it a media phone? Microsoft has never done such this for their product before. This is like completely different from Microsoft... not to mentioned some development design flaws on the Contacts, 1 Live Account only can have 1 Mobile Number, LoL, it's like the dabatase is designed by someone without much database design knowledge. Just so NOT Microsoft, reminds me of Foxxy Conn.
The best part yet, Windows Phone is about "putting people first", but I don't see any. It's neglecting what people wants, making people life harder and inconvenient... to send one photo to another device, you need to upload to SkyDrive or send to Email and then ask the person to download it? How stewpid is that?

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Oops, this is 808 thread. Back to 808...
It's such a blessing that the 808 does not run on Windows Phone!
Many people who rant before just want Windows Phone because it's a newer OS, without understanding which is a better choice and which is actually better.

What beta? WP version will be different, we're still unsure what Windows Phone can offer due to it's limitations and restrictions. Unlike Nokia 808, it comes with its own processing for the camera, and Symbian is much more flexible and open compared to Windows Phone. As of now, still unsure about Windows Phone 8, whether it will truly become a proper smartphone OS, or still just a restricted and limited mediaphone OS.

So as of current, the more obvious one is, they're using 808 as to promote PureView technology, start the poison, etc.
So, when Lumia PureView launch, people will go buy it and those never experience 808 PureView will not know the difference (because they're waiting for Lumia version and keep hearing how great the 808 PureView, in their mind, they thought Lumia PureView will be as good or better).

Now, from all his strategy, I find weird, stoopid and killing the company, but this strategy is one that's actually smart. But then, it might actually be beneficial for Microsoft, so, something might happen later? I hope it doesn't become something that's not unique for Nokia anymore...

Not sure what experience you have with the demo set, I never restart my 808 (unless it hangs, happens when I using the camera, seems like a known bug which should be fixed in newer firmware).

The camera is fast and activates very fast too, N8 cannot compare. The focusing speed is way much faster than N8. Overall, it's better than N8 in everyway?

But then I only use it as a second phone, mainly the camera, it's fast and activates easily even if the phone is in sleep mode. I think you can challenge WP to a contest, take a photo (activate phone from sleep mode) and share it to facebook, you'll easily smoke it.

The question is how smooth does people want it to be? For me, it's not important to have SUPER CRAZY SMOOTH and FAST, but as long as it's acceptable smoothness, performance and stability, it's good enough already. Does everyone need a Fallali?

Speed & Smoothness is not everything; what's the point if you get speed and smoothness, but the manufacturer removes features and functions? I think that's plain stewpid.
They should give everything not give you this and that away that. It's plain treating customers/users as dumb customers/users, MORE SO when the keep promoting the speed and smoothness or how fast you can do a process is less 1 step. LoL, so you do faster 1 step, you get orgasm? LOL.
It's nice when it's faster and smoother, but not when the OS looses functionality/features and becomes more restricted. To me, that's plain stewpid. The customers/users should wake up and realize this, so the manufacturer's won't treat the customers/users as fool by doing all these "dirty" tricks.

Nokia Store Sunway lighting ok wo? I wanna test low light but there too bright cannot test high ISO in low light. When you push high ISO with adequate lighting, you won't really see much noise, when you go to low light area (e.g. room with florescent light), then you'll see the lighting is bad and the high ISO noise will be worst due to more dark areas.

I test at Nokia Store Sunway, can't really test the ISO, I even compare with the Note, Note produce more contrasty image (plus the screen makes the photo looks nicer).
When I test at home, then can really see the high ISO suffer from noise due to low light, but for a phone camera, it's very good already.

For daytime outdoor, needless to say, it performs like a charm, the details, the natural color, etc.

For the browser, I don't really use Symbian to browse, =P
But if I do, I'll be using the Opera browser.

GPS is very good, but I use with data.

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Added on July 23, 2012, 10:44 amWP7 is a failure as a smartphone OS, it's more like a mediaphone OS; with tons of restrictions and limitations. It's not a mobile computer OS, but more like a media player OS. Just like how iOS is like a iPod media OS, and WP as a Zune media Player OS.
Of course, this is not concern to many people, as most people only concern with apps apps apps and games games games, and of course, "so smooth".

WP8 supposedly will have external storage support, and I hope they'll come out with a proper and TRUE smartphone OS this time. I'm just so disappointed with WP7, I was expecting something really good, especially when they comes up with the plan about empahsizing on social networking services. The social networking services is very well done indeed, that's one of the best feature for WP.

For the Lumia PureView, whether it can support up to 41MP is a question. 808 PureView is using dedicated processor for the imaging and video. For Windows Phone, there's many restrictions on the hardware, first they will need to settle this.
Next, WP has several limitations and restrictions, such as how they control your files; As current WP7, you need to transfer files through Zune. Imagine the inconvenience when you need to transfer files to your friend's PC or office PC or anywhere else which have no Zune installed?
Not allowed to send file via bluetooth..............
So how to send? Email or SkyDrive or some sharing sites.
You might also want to check out (or worry) when using some built-in or provided features to upload files, as usually it will compress the file before uploading... If so, what's the point of getting a PureView.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 23 2012, 10:44 AM

Share to FB I think most smartphone OS will compress before sharing (not 100% sure), but for Maemo/MeeGo, you can choose the quality to share, preserving/removing metadata, etc. So far, the best sharing is from Maemo/MeeGo, you can upload to specific FB Album, you can create new albums from the sharing function... (even for Flickr).

Some might ask, about FB quality , why want to upload high res? Well, before this, FB have no high quality option when you upload and back then it's even worst, but later they upgrade. So, if you phone-built-in plugin by default already compress to low quality, then even FB upgraded, you'll still be uploading low quality images, until they release s an update for it.
The thing here is, to give user choices and options, and not treating user as dummy. We paid for it, we do not pay to be control and be restricted.

Not sure about Panorama app, the last I check I think I didn't see any. There's many apps not available in FP1, NFS Shift also not there, and several other apps and games I used to install on N8.
Browsing the Nokia Store on 808 is really very limited and little apps, while in actual, Symbian have tons of apps and games.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 23 2012, 11:12 AM

So far, very limited, not sure will they port or make more available later, but hope so.

I read in dpreview comment, got one iPhone camera apps developer said he's very interesting in the 808 and will be developing apps for Symbian. But not sure how true.

For PC upload, we can choose High Resolution.
For smartphones, no such option (except Maemo/MeeGo so far which I know)

For 808 PureView, I'm not sure what resolution it uploads, now FB supports high res up to 2048p right? I have no large display or resolution screen, can't test. But by default, when you upload with 808 PureView, it will be uploaded to PureView album instead of mobile uploads.


Must shoot outdoor daylight only can test properly, else the noise will smudge the details and sharpness.

Yes, always get out of memory, but usually after I edit 1 photo, tries to edit 2nd photo, then get this error. Anyway, editing I prefer send to Android for editing, there a nice app called "Photo Editor" which provides picture in picture function and you can also easily add text, etc.

Oh, that's cool.

Haven't notice that yet, seldom use up to ISO1600, even ISO800 I try to avoid as the noise is quite bad if you pixel peep. Anyway, using high ISO tends to shows give more color accuracy issue, but then the blue gradient seems to be something else. Someone posted in dpreview forum he already inform Damian, see what's his respond, and this most likely is fixable through software updates, not really a big deal, most important is to test and find these issue and notify them with details and samples, so they can re-produce the problem and proceed to fix the problem.
If it's hardware issue, then it's a problem, unless they willing to replace for everyone.
Example: Color Banding issue which seems not much people notice on the N8, I first notice when I use N8 and everyone is telling me I'm too sensitive at first, but now it's many people already notice this.

As for low light condition, you can't expect much from a small sensor (compared to DSLR sensor); even micro 4/3 is also not very good (for many DSLR owners). But if compared with other smartphones or digital camera, it's actually very good, and the details and sharpness it preserve. Check gsmarena detailed comparison on high ISO against others, it's actually performing very well.

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Added on July 23, 2012, 4:46 pmNokia is now concentrating and full force on Lumia series.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 23 2012, 04:46 PM

The first picture, it's WB issue, it depends if you prefer warm tones or not. if you see nicely, the 1st picture, output by N8 gives warm tones and the white become yellow. 808 in this picture gives correct white color.
If you prefer warmer tones, then either use manual WB or tweak it in PP (very limited).

Personally, I prefer the 808 output because it gives more accurate color. If you view the details on the overall picture, peeping into each details of the human skin color and so on, you'll find the 808 WB output gives better and more accurate color. (Try cropping some part of the photo, then you'll see the words in yellow, etc).
But all this depends on personal preference, most people might prefer to have warmer tones as it gives the "mood", but in details, the color is not accurate, white is not white, green is not green, brown is not brown, etc.

Any samples?
Most people might prefer warmer tones, but what about accurate color? Is the white white, is the black black, etc? Warmer tones tends to make the white yellowish and also affecting other colors.

If you're viewing on the computer, it also depends if your monitor or LCD is calibrated, some monitor/LCD tends to be cooler, some is warmer.

Usually people will prefer warmer tones, but color accuracy is a different story. Warmer tones kind of gives more "mood" or "scene", but when you want accurate colors, you will want to fix the white balance (e.g. in particular skin color, eye color, teeth color, etc.)

For those prefer slightly warmer tone, you can adjust it before or during PP (but JPEG has has less flexibility on WB adjustment).