Yes, fixed focal length is not an issue for everyone, but as a business and a product, it should try to understand what people want and cater for it. Best is, give OPTIONS.
For example: if they don't zoom or don't like to zoom, then don't use the zoom feature. It won't hurt to have the feature.
See Apple, no camera Flash on their first iPhone? So is it right to say, because not everyone use, so no need to give?
Similarly, the 920 missing micro-SD slot, the excuse is, not everyone use or need it. So, don't give?
Should we support this kind of things as a consumer? What will happen to future product? Become less and less because got people say no need? Isn't it suppose to be, because got people want/need, we try to offer and compete with others which don't offer.

Anyway, I'm sure got people will be satisfied with 820 or 920. After all, everyone has different needs.
Just that, whether they can turn around, is not depend on Nokia, it's depend on Microsoft. If WP8 can be open, flexible, then it can be very different. WP7 main problem is the limitations and restrictions, it's very much like iOS. Can only hope WP8 will be different, and be a proper smartphone OS.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 11:40 am
BIG QUESTION:
If Nokia come out with 909 PureView running Symbian, 8MP, no lossess zoom, all missing. Can you call it PureView and Phase 2?

So, Lumia PureView? or fakeView?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 6 2012, 11:40 AM

Wah, this photo is too obvious having big lighting there.

The best is, having OIS, large aperture is unqiue? I think other phone manufacturer can provide this easily if they want to. It's just a common feature. Plus, OIS doesn't work for action scene or moving subjects, only works for shaky hands. There's nothing spectacular. Having OIS is nice to have, but I still see no PureView.

Not sure about Damien, just wait for him. However, since he's working under Nokia, he might have to help and protect the company as well.

Anyway, all I can say is, originally, the actual PureView for Lumia wasn't planned for this early devices. WP8 is still NEW and there's many things to work on.
I would see that the PureView is supposed to be use on a flagship camera Lumia smartphone.
BUT, Nokia needed something badly to promote their Lumia running WP8, they need it badly.

There seems to be nothing to show off or special about the new Lumia, the hardware isn't very good either. The have to face tough competition from Samseng, HTC and others. Plus, in WP7, Nokia lost against HTC, right? Despite being so special with ties with MS.... and HTC weren't even focusing on WP7.

Let's be honest, many people would buy the Lumia JUST because of the "PureView" word.
It's no matter what or how I see it, a markting purpose.
They build and fame the "PureView" term using 808 PureView. Now it can help to boost Lumia sales.

Think about what Samseng, HTC and other brands will do to their ads next time?

HIGHLIGHT BIG BIG in the video
"We don't use FAKE images"

Moreover, recently this rumor pops up:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Microsoft-S...Phone-8_id34026

There's a problem here, the default selection of slow shutter. OIS can compensate for handshake, but not subject movement. If it always uses very slow shutter, it may not be desirable. I wonder if it's able to detect movement or what subject it's taking and change it's mode?

This current settings will be good for people who loves to takes static object, like foods, toys, etc. But if you were to take people who "may" move, you will keep getting blur shots cause my the subject moving. If so, it may not really be ideal, and it's sort of cheated, as usually, for people who don't play with manual mode or A/S mode, they would use "scene" mode to compensate; e.g. If you want to take night picture or force the camera to use slower shutter, you would choose "night mode".
If the Lumia PureView by default is always prioritize on slow shutter, it's also something like a night mode always on?


Hence why I keep saying that it's pointless if 808 PureView were to use WP, but many people didn't get the point, they just want the latest OS or new things. It's lucky that 808 PureView uses Symbian...

No I did not say it's wrong wo? When?

I mean, when the 808 PureView is launch, many people say why not a WP? Why Symbian, etc...
But they got ask themselves Why WP? Just because it's a new OS?
WP has so many restrictions and limitations, what's the point of using WP on the 808 PureView?
Moreover, N8 is running Symbian, it will fit the needs of those N8 users waiting to upgrade their N8.

No doubt, in future, the PureView will come in WP OS, but that's the future models and that the challenge they need to overcome and work with Microsoft. But 808 PureView, there shouldn't even be any idea of it running WP, moreover WP7.5.

No, that's not the issue. They can outsource, they can adopt other OS including Androids. But there's something very weird and wrong, they partner with WP (which is obviously not doing well and dying), and they abort their pre-mature baby (MeeGo), and set death sentence to their Symbian, 1 year before they have any WP device to sell or even show. This move, makes their customer loses hope and jump, which in turn, boost Samseng up to No. 1 slot.

Nokia was never about going single platform and emphasizing on 1 category of customers only. What happen to Nokia? In the past, Nokia is always about reaching to MORE customers, providing devices for different category/types of customers, they have the low end budget series, to Sports series, Rugged series, Designer series, up to the high end tablets for business professionals. Suddenly they went totally opposite direction and off course.

The weirdest part is adopting WP, despite it's not doing well in the market; More weird is, suddenly it's all about WP, as if it's a MS company. The one who benefits from this deal is obviously no other than MS themselves, and ever since the deal with MS, Nokia has lost their No. 1 spot, lost their customers, lost their trust, removed many of their employees, gain even more bad reputation from their Lumias, lost their technologies (e.g. Nokia Maps, etc).
Now imagine if they adopted Android? Imagine if they go multi-platform like Samseng, Sony, HTC. They can still have WP who says they can't? If they go multi-platform, high chances, they're still No. 1 today and consumers will have many choices of phones, and today's PureView will definitely NOT suffer the same issues as Lumia's PureView.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 11 2012, 10:59 AM

Complains, Discussion, etc are normal, you see it everywhere. There're different types of people and how people see things. It can be just talking about the disappointment and how one feel/point of view/opinion towards something. Each has different view and opinion, what I said, some may never think of it, what others said, I may never think of it. So, it's also sharing point of view, etc.

True, it's sad to see what's happening to Nokia and the changes.

Lumia may still be successful but only within WP category since Nokia only selling WP devices, and they have to face other competitions. Unless they really believe there is one OS to rule them all and will take over the entire or most of the market? I have no idea on WP8, but if it's coming with the similar restrictions and limitations as WP7, they might as well don't even think about it.

Added:
On side note, some good news for current Lumia range (includes Bluetooth media files transfer):
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/11/...ia-smartphones/

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 12 2012, 10:45 AM

There might be some chance to turn around, since the iPhone5 is... erm...
WP8 might have chance to grab more market soon?

I suppose Samseng, Nokia, Microsoft will be celebrating now after seeing the announcement? No wonder Apply have to resort to rounded corners, shape, etc.

And btw, the new iPod Nano looks soooo much like the Nokia N9/Lumia. (but then previous it was Nokia N9 design that looked like iPod Nano, except the N9 is much bigger).

You can try contact the shop or seller and request them to post it to you?

Yes, but ad-hoc mode only.
And I tried some service cannot work (e.g. MeeGo built-in upload service when connected, it can browse but unable to upload)

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 18 2012, 09:33 AM

How to do what?
If you Joikuspot, just turn it on. But your Android wil not be able to detect because Android doesn't support ad-hoc mode. You can google how to enabled Ad-hoc mode on your Android device, but if not wrong, you need to root your device first.

But JoikuSpot have some other limitation as I mentioned before, some service cannot be used or you may encounter access some sites.

Better you use your Android to share the connection to your Symbian.

The premium also same, it's only ad-hoc mode.

Your laptop can connect to ad-hoc mode, so no problem there.

Not sure about iPad, you can try if your iPad can detect it.

Yes, the ad-hoc is the main issue even paid-premium version. Only Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo smartphones able to connect, but even on premium version, some services cannot be used (e.g. MeeGo built-in upload service). I suppose there's still some restriction even on premium version.

Since ad-hoc only, can't share with Android and some other device, moreover this need to pay; whereas Android tethering is built-in.

Yes, when everything is bigger, it's more obvious and sensitive. Just like when we view photo on small screen vs BIG screen.
Those people using old DSLR with 12MP or lower and upgrade to higher MP also face/suffer from this more sensitive shake; For those using small sensor upgrade to DSLR will usually face OOF problem due to the DOF (especially when using large aperture) but they may not be able to see it when viewing in small screen. These are the common problems.


Get S3. The camera is good enough, unless you really want the camera of 808. If you want a camera, there's the new Sony RX100 using similar sensor size as Nikon1. It's pocketable and deliver good image quality, optical zoom, etc. Best yet, you have much much more control.

Unless you totally don't need those apps, then you can consider 808. Otherwise, go for S3. Besides, with S3, you got many nice and fun photo editing apps and you can take photo while video recording, etc.

If you already have S2 or an Android phone, then unless you really want to upgrade those. Else, can get a 808.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 20 2012, 02:29 PM

Dark areas will have noise especially when you try to brighten the area. You can try use some noise reduction tool/software to reduce the noise if it really bothers you.

Haven't see the video in the page, and it didn't explain in the site.

As one website tested, L920 seems to default to use very slow shutter speed, which is similar to Night Mode. So to compare, the One X and S3 should use Night Mode?
Or at least all should have similar exposure settings for proper comparison.
This is more of usage comparison whereby for normal user using AUTO mode, the L920 will give best result, but that with slow shutter it also mean only works for static object, which for those people who likes to take foods, miniatures, etc.
For people who likes to take moving subject, human, especially kids; I believe, if the L920 always uses slow shutter, the user will be cursing non-stop.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 27 2012, 03:51 PM

Not sure of 920 since no unit to try. But I'm shocked and surprised at 808 when plugged in earphone.... It's so clear and detail. I was not listening to music the first time, I was just watching YouTube video... I never expected such clean & clear sound.

Can't really remember 900 audio quality, didn't really tested it but have return the unit back.

Anyway, found this:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/14/...okia-lumia-900/

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 1 2012, 09:49 AM