Or, if don't mind carry 2 device. Can get a cheap iPod Touch, and enjoy all the iOS games. It's basically just like an iPhone, just much more slimmer, smaller battery and no phone function.
But hey, now you don't need to worry about people call you and disrupt your gaming half way, don't need to worry you battery when you need to make use it as a phone... and it comes with camera and GPS too, you can install PapaGo and some other maps. The iPod Touch is very also very slim and it's only about 1/3 of the price of iPhone. The drawback might be there's no sim card for data usage, have to rely on WiFi.

If don't mind carry bigger device, there's iPad, Android Tablets, etc.

I mean, if apps/games is the main priority, it's not a must to be in a phone, unless you only want to carry, ONE and ONLY ONE device and want it to do everything. Then, you have to sacrifice some features.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Aug 29 2012, 10:07 AM

GPS no need sim card... my iPod Touch also no sim card ma.

I'm saying for those need to use data for internet when there is no WiFi available. Like for iPad, some people choose 3G version so they can online or play online games even no WiFi.

It wasn't a phone ma.

Nokia N93 (if not mistaken) have optical zoom lens as well.

It's bulky and the parts can easily damage since it's sticking out, etc. That's one major reason why they come up with PureView technology.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Aug 30 2012, 12:55 PM

That's not a phone, it's a Galaxy Camera. Plus, the sensor size is smaller than 808.
It's more like to compete with Nikon's very own Android camera, but they both launch around the same time, so it's more like planned for some time already.

As for Nokia's Sep 5... I wonder, probably want to announce PureView Lumia?
Else, for normal WP8. Let's be honest, will people choose a Samseng or Nokia? There will also be other choices...
The thing is, Nokia is NOT exclusive like Apple, where iOS is only available for Apple. You want iOS, you have to buy Apple products.
WP8? You can choices from different brand. Nokia focusing ONLY on WP8, is it a "smart" choice?


Samseng basically have various products competing with others. Competition is good, IF the other manufacturer's are trying to compete by coming up with more competitive products, pricing, specs. BUT, if they resort to patents war like "rounded corners", "shapes", etc.........
Phone back then have "antenna" on the outside, non-color screen, monophonic ringtones, etc. So, the first phone company who invent or come up with new ideas, should banned the rest from using the "idea" and technology? Please..... moreover, rounded corners and shape is not technology.... People can get custom icons through themes, and so on, so... why don't Apple go and sue those "themes" maker? Sorry, it's just utter-ridiculous.
If they're talking about real technology that is unique, then it's different story. Plus, giving something a new name doesn't make it an innovation or new idea/technology, e.g. "FaceTime", and so on; it's not new innovation or something that's new, but they're good at "re-branding" or "marketing".

Yup, usually people looking only at their phone screen display. Once printed (especially printing original - usually print shop touch up before print), you can see much more and clearer differences.
Although print shop is another factor, but now it's printing at the same shop.

Samseng previous already announce they will launch WP8 and also hint at Nokia. It's not something new from Samseng anyway.
Plus, Samseng become so successful is majorly Nokia owns fault, or Elop? When they announce going WP route and ditching Symbians, killed MeeGo, etc. Majority of Nokia customers (especially Symbian) went off the Android, in this case, Samseng, and Nokia having NO OPTIONS for Android.
Just imagine if Nokia have their own Android devices, how many customers they could've keep and most probably still maintaining their No. 1 spot.
Moreover, imagine Nokia will have revive the N-GAGE in Android platform, their PureView Android device, their business series Android devices, their Sports series Android device, their Designer series Android device... They could've provided many different phones for different types of customers.

Yes, not all people like Android. But what is business? You should capture the market and WHAT PEOPLE WANTS.

Android is NOT OS that only can be used by certain company (e.g. iOS), the key here is, there're GROWING demand on people who want an Android device, and they would PREFER to stick to Nokia brand or WISH/HOPE there was a Nokia Android device. BUT... since there's NONE, even after waited for SO LONG, these Nokia supporters end up going to the other brands... Though, many are still staying around UNTILL somehow, no idea why, the CEO of Nokia decided to "announce" they will go WP route ONLY, and will kill off Symbian "soon" while MeeGo was aborted before even borned, and the announcement was made about 1 year before any Nokia Lumia is even available.
What happen? Majority of Nokia customers left/jump/etc, and Samseng blooms with glory.
It's funny to me, no matter how I see it, the announcement was like a big move to turn off many Nokia customers. Why need to announce before they even have any Lumia available? Why need to announce the death of Symbian so early? Why need to kill off MeeGo before it even gets to be born and see the light? It's all just too weird to me.

Usually, the "common practice" is open 2 water taps, see which flows better and decide. But this? It's like Closing your current high flowing water tap, while your NEW water tap is NOT even ready until 1 year after.

Anyway, YES, choosing WP is not an issue, BUT NOT, going single platform (only WP). I don't see any logical reason for them to go single platform (only WP), moreover, WP is not unique for Nokia, unlike iOS, which only available for Apple. Moreover, Nokia's unique Nokia Maps, is said to be built-in WP8, means Samseng/LG/HTC/etc will have it. So, soon to be called Microsoft Maps?

Nokia used to cater for different market/category of users, they used to have many types of series, from Sports, Business, Tough/Rugged, Designer, Professional, etc.
If they were to maintain their No. 1 spot, it means they should be able to cater and grab as much market as possible. By NOT wanting to adopt Android, which is so "obviously" growing fast since the time when they were deciding to choose WP, it obviously something very wrong with the decision. Any brand could see the potential of Androids.
Just too bad..... Now Nokia is obviously suffering badly with WP, MS seems like taking Nokia for a ride as well; If they're truly working closely together and MS is considerate of Nokia, it wouldn't have give Nokia this BIG problem with their Lumias... Lumia 900 release not long, MS announce WP8 and NOT upgradable for current WP devices... That's a BIG hit and slaps to Nokia.
Samseng/HTC/etc is obviously not pushing WP7 devices and focusing on Android devices... MS got no one to turn to... then somehow for some reason, Nokia decided to adopt WP7 and ditch their own child, and fully support on WP, very noble?

Ever since they join MS for WP, Nokia has been going down and become worst... in very fast pace and at the same time, Samseng BOOOM, No. 1.

Nokia Maps already built-in WP8, one of Nokia main selling point and specialty.
What if later PureView also become part of Microsoft... What's left of Nokia?
Very sad to see all the things happening to Nokia.

If Samseng "round corners and shape" is called stealing, then what is Microsoft-Nokia?

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This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 3 2012, 04:26 PM

Even if Nokia really come out with a better WP8, doesn't mean they will get much, because... they STILL only grabbing WP market, which is VERY SMALL. Moreover, WP is not unique to Nokia, even only compete in WP8, still have tough competition against others, not only Samseng.
Today, Nokia maybe come out better one, in no time, others will come out even better ones, better specs, etc. Nokia will end up back to last time, playing the catch up game...

See Sony, now they're doing much better now unlike Nokia.

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This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 3 2012, 04:26 PM

Not sure, but I saw someone shared this not long ago:
http://9gag.com/gag/5195630

I mean, I'm not sure about the copying part (particularly on iPhone). But then, if it's in terms of looks and design, I don't see any big deal, although it's not nice, but it happens. Just don't 100% completely copy.
I means, it's normal when people saw some design, they get a new idea "based" on that design, or there can be reference to many design. It's very subjective.
Have you design webpage? Even webpage, when webpage is still relatively new, those webpage LAYOUT design looks unique, but as web grows, the layout become common, and is it copy? And many layout design are actually based on another layout/ideas.
Long ago, web page are famous with frames, LEFT and RIGHT, then got TOP, LEFT and RIGHT; So, someone create new web page usually will follow the common ones. Later come out with using tables and eliminates frames, the design gone more flexible and creative, but just because there're similarities, it's not really copying.

Anyway, if DIRECT copying, then it's very obvious; I'm not sure if Samseng have any DIRECT-COPYING; Nowadays, there's too many design that is similar, or VERY similar, who copy who? Is it important until need to ban? I have no idea but I just think it's plain stewpid, sorry to say. It's not like some awesome technology.
Nokia first invented internal antenna phone in 3210, so should they ban everyone from using internal antenna? LoL, what will happen to other phones today with antenna on the outside, haha...
So who came up with first colour screen? Who come up with MP3/Wav ringtone, etc? LoL... Who copy who?
Sorry, but to me, that's just plain stewpid if it become so serious.

But talking about copying, look at Korean cars, hehehe. I think the looks is also copy here and copy there.

I don't know much about Apple history, but I can say that they are very good with "words", or in nice business term or word, "rebranding" and "marketing".
One famous example is: Face Time (Innovation? NEW?)
How they give "lame" excuse on the usage of "Flash" and "Stylus" is another case. The excuse is like treating their users as really, erm... let's just put it, the level which able to use their smartphone. If they don't give or unable to provide, then admit it loud and proud, and if they really want to change everything, then come up with the technology that can provide it and overcome the weakness.

As for Samseng, well, the design copying is not something new. There're too many smartphones today, don't you feel many phones actually looks almost similar, just maybe some "more round a bit", more "curve", etc. I don't see the point of fighting for design, eventually sure will have people copy or take up the idea (IF IT'S A GOOD ONE), but can't really blame Apple since don't have any more new idea to come up with NEW design and have been using the same design all the while.

In automotive industry, the design copying is much more obvious, just look at the recent Korean cars, really like copy here and there. But, that's not a big issue, the bigger issue is, usually a specific car brand have their "trademark" look or design.
e.g. Honda cars, without looking at the logo and just looking at certain part of the body (for from far away), you can tell what's the car brand because there's this "unique" characteristic in their looks (altough newer models seems to have lost the touches, maybe new generation designer or too modern design).

As for smartphones, iPhone characteristics I guess it's the ONE-BUTTON-TO-RULE-THEM-ALL Godly "Home" button? If talking about the phone shape, I think there's too many phone have such similar shape, and they have silver back. Does any other brand have similar LOOK such as silver back, the similar looking "HOME" button? So serious until if you put both the phone side by side covering the brand, you can hardly differentiate them?
Even the menu items design look "kind of" similar, but it is hard to differentiate and is it able to confused people that the SGS2 is an iPhone?
Moreover, with themes, many things can look similar in terms of UI, and some user actually wants it.


Doesn't matter, they're using 808 as marketing and built-up the PureView name, response, etc.
Now that it gets people attention, they can market their WP PureView easily because FIRST IMPRESSION is important, and Nokia already created an amazing FIRST IMPRESSION on the PureView technology with 808 PureView.
Now that's a smart marketing and decision, unlike the decision to choose WP as their core and ONLY OS.


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Added on September 4, 2012, 11:09 amStill, the charging is not unique for WP ONLY device. So, this is nothing special for WP8; Hope they don't market as if it's a special thing for Lumia only devices. It'll be like trying to fool people.

If it wants to compete with a smartphone, first WP needs to become a proper smartphone OS.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 4 2012, 11:09 AM

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Anybody have this certificate thing about services.nokia.cbd thing is untrusted problem?


I haven't restart my 808 for a very long time already, but I mainly use it for camera purpose.

Can try and hard-reset the device and see?


Try do a hard-reset.

Hard-Reset is will wipe everything, your apps, contacts, sms, etc all will be cleared and it will be like the first time you turn on your device, so do a backup first.

No pixel oversampling technology. Wasn't that what's PureView about?
So, is this really can consider PureView?
More like using the PureView name to market the phone.

No pixel oversampling, no big sensor, no big MP = no lossless zoom.
What's so PureView about this PureView?

Don't forget the reason why many of us are excited and get the PureView.
I don't see any PureView in the Lumias.

They should give it a different name instead of spoiling the PureView name, which is famous now.


Turn around? Nokia will only have WP phones. Can turn? Can Nokia turn the market of majority Apple and Android users to use WP?
There's too many things to consider.
Firstly, WP is restricted and limited and Nokia can't do anything about it; Unless Microsoft decides to open up and give a true smartphone instead of a mediaphone, they cannot capture the market; They can only capture specific category of users who can be satisfied with simple mediaphone (but they forgot, some of these people will grow tired and want MORE later, as how Apple users starting to switch to Androids; I got a friend who is not young anymore, when he switch to iPhone, the praise it so much and complain all other smartphones he used is complicated and hard to use, lag, etc. He's been using iPhone for sooo many years... Recently he switch to S3, he was impress with the smoothness and at the same time, he start to get out of his comfy zone and EXPLORE and found out actually there's so many things a REAL/TRUE smartphone can do and how much he is missing while he's STUCK with his iPhone which controls/limits their users, not allowing these users to move forward)

Secondly, having only WP8, there's currently very small market, what's more? Nokia have to compete against other brands, which usually launch their device faster and with better specs and competitive price. (Unlike Apple, the iOS only available to Apple, no competition)
More? Nokia brand name is already in bad, they pissed off many Symbian & Maemo/MeeGo users, they even pissed off their own Lumia users when their Lumia devices cannot be upgraded to WP8.
It hard to gain trust and confidence, but to break it is very easy. It's even harder to gain BACK trust AFTER breaking them. If done more than once, it's worst.

Thirdly, many people already invested in Android or iOS apps. if they switch to Lumia, it means their investment all go to waste? That's also one reason why people refuse to switch platform.... Those who don't really purchase apps, will not think of this.
Now, what's worst? Imagine those who spent and purchase many apps in Symbians.... How disappointed are they with Nokia when Nokia abandon Symbian?
If they have to switch, why should they go back to Nokia again? Better to go iOS or Android which is very stable and more reliable. UNLESS Nokia can arrange and do something for those who have purchase and own apps in Symbian and make them available if the user switch to Lumia. (already suggest this to Nokia Malaysia before).

Lastly, there seems to be a rumor of....... Microsoft very own smartphone? IF true, what will happen to Nokia? Or is it actually provided by Nokia?


Full Resolution sure cannot zoom. If let you zoom, then means digital zoom, no point right?
Better use PureView mode, the zoom is losses zoom.

Lumia version (or fake-PureView) has smaller sensor? Surely affect the overall quality. I wonder what PureView technology it has to qualify it as a PureView?

I used Windows Mobile since it's first version; Microsoft was never about controlling and limiting users. WP is totally different, but then based on WP problems and design, it seems as if the project was done by some outside company or something because there's some flaw in their DB Contact design which shouldn't happen to a company like MS which have own DB software and they even teach proper DB Design in their courses.
Anyway, WP7 is very much like iOS, where iPhone is just an iPod Touch with phone feature, WP7 is the much improved Zune Media Player with phone feature, instead if basing it on a smartphone or proper Pocket PC. Probably they wanna "follow" iPhone, since iPhone is successful....

Fuji X100 is a 35mm and using APS-C size sensor, so it's giving about 50mm focal length in 35mm format. It's totally different with fixed 28mm handphone camera. Have you tried using 808 at widest angle all the time? Notice the distortion?
Anyway, I'm sure the Lumia 820 and 920 still can zoom, just that it won't have similar 808 PureView lossess zoom technology.
With 808 PureView, it's not the 38MP or 34MP, when I'm using PureView 8MP, I can get the same true 8MP quality even I zoom to the max. That's a big difference here if you were to compare.

I'm also choosy, but it doesn't mean if it attract me it would attract others. I think we should be open and understand each person has different needs. Sometimes, even we think the product was very good, it doesn't mean everyone will like it. There're many different category of users, hence, why there is many different category of products. That's why I find it weird that Nokia once understood the need to different person and they used to come up with different product for different category of people, suddenly locked down and use only WP.

Yup, where is the PureView technology?
It's sad Nokia has come to use this tactic. It's becoming like... erm... Apple.
I read about their micro-SD support not available in Lumia 920... My Gosh, the lame excuse, typical Apple. What's happening to Nokia?????

The question: Can WP support it.