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 Blacksmith Smithing Guide, coz Haedrig says "ITS HAMMER TIEM"!

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post Jul 2 2012, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(VinluV @ Jul 2 2012, 04:31 PM)
normally start around 7am our time onwards.
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oh dem...weekends liao, tak sempat forge i think, work QQ

is fiery brimstone cheaper these days?

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 04:38 PM)
oh dem...weekends liao, tak sempat forge i think, work QQ

is fiery brimstone cheaper these days?
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brimestone damn exp.
Last time can get a few from hammering rares, now not a single one.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(VinluV @ Jul 2 2012, 04:39 PM)
brimestone damn exp.
Last time can get a few from hammering rares, now not a single one.
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yeah i noticed, my friend hammered till get 800+ essence...no brimstone...i suspect blizz nerf jor
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:41 PM

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Salvage a lot of high lvl rares myself but have yet to find a brimstone.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:46 PM

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Brimstone salvage rate :

100% from iLv 60~63 Legendary, Sets
0.1% from iLv60~63 Rare
0.8% from iLv60~63 Blue

Sources: Battle.net

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post Jul 2 2012, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 2 2012, 04:46 PM)
Brimstone salvage rate :

100% from iLv 60~63 Legendary, Sets
0.1% from iLv60~63 Rare
0.8% from iLv60~63 Blue

Sources: Battle.net
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er we know that, what we are discussing is the brimstone rates are almost non existant, you're telling me 800+ essence and no brimstone? last time we used to get 1 or 2 after getting 100-200+ essence
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 04:40 PM)
yeah i noticed, my friend hammered till get 800+ essence...no brimstone...i suspect blizz nerf jor
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Bliz didnt neft salvage rate.

current rate in GAH - 1 Brinestone ~ 170-190K

Cheaper source :

Buy any i60-63 Legendary from AH less than 150K and salvage it.

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According my experience, current Legendary Recipe DO NOT Worth Crafting.

WHY?

1. Expensive
2. Low success rate.

example , one of the most popular Legendary craft - 7sin

Seven Sins
Shoulders
Legendary Shoulders
286
Armor
+35-42 Strength
+35-42 Dexterity
+35-42 Intelligence
+35-42 Vitality
+41-45 Arcane Resistance
+4 Random Magic Properties

* All 7 sin craft will 100% give you 35~42 ALL Stat, 40+ Arcane Resist ( Which is worth nothing )
Plus 4 Random Magic Prop.
Meant you have only 4 chance to roll the stats you want.

Compare to +6 craft, legendary craft just a pure joke.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 2 2012, 04:52 PM)
Bliz didnt neft salvage rate.

current rate in GAH - 1 Brinestone ~ 170-190K

Cheaper source :

Buy any i60-63 Legendary from AH less than 150K and salvage it.

* Note:
According my experience, current Legendary Recipe DO NOT Worth Crafting.

WHY?

1. Expensive
2. Low success rate.

example , one of the most popular Legendary craft - 7sin

Seven Sins
Shoulders
Legendary Shoulders
286
Armor
+35-42 Strength
+35-42 Dexterity
+35-42 Intelligence
+35-42 Vitality
+41-45 Arcane Resistance
+4 Random Magic Properties

* All 7 sin craft will 100% give you 35~42 ALL Stat, 40+ Arcane Resist ( Which is worth nothing )
Plus 4 Random Magic Prop.
Meant you have only 4 chance to roll the stats you want.

Compare to +6 craft, legendary craft just a pure joke.
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i dont see the relevency of this to why brimstones hardly drop from salvaged rares and magics, brimstones used to be around the 30k mark, and currently no one is getting any from salvaged rares and magics anymore, vin, any news from reddit? sry i cant ask there, i nvr been there before, no acc there
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post Jul 2 2012, 05:01 PM

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what news you want?

The dude will craft for few days then move on to other things.

as for brimestone. I shouldve stock up more.

Why i reco helm is because if you need that block %, helm is the only helmet with that stat
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 04:56 PM)
i dont see the relevency of this to why brimstones hardly drop from salvaged rares and magics, brimstones used to be around the 30k mark, and currently no one is getting any from salvaged rares and magics anymore, vin, any news from reddit? sry i cant ask there, i nvr been there before, no acc there
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Just to share with you, crafting legendary is just gold-shink activity.

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post Jul 2 2012, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 2 2012, 05:02 PM)
Just to share with you, crafting legendary is just gold-shink activity.

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imo it doesnt, why would HoC be a gold sink when it serves barbs so well? do enlighten me on that fact


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QUOTE(VinluV @ Jul 2 2012, 05:01 PM)
what news you want?

The dude will craft for few days then move on to other things.

as for brimestone. I shouldve stock up more.

Why i reco helm is because if you need that block %, helm is the only helmet with that stat
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regarding if anyone still gets brimstone from magic and rares

This post has been edited by The Amateur Working Bee: Jul 2 2012, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 05:33 PM)
imo it doesnt, why would HoC be a gold sink when it serves barbs so well? do enlighten me on that fact
Crafting in overall, Legendary do not give efficient ROI ( i usually obtain good stats gear after 10th run ).

Barb Specific Gear consumption rate lower than general use gear. ( slower to sell )

If you obtained the HoC recipe from loots, you have a good start then. Otherwise, purchasing recipe from AH and craft/sell, it would be a long way to reach your break/even point.

If you do have a choice, Legendary always not your best ROI recipe ( except legendary/set below iLv60, brinstone excluded )
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 2 2012, 05:43 PM)
Crafting in overall, Legendary do not give efficient ROI ( i usually obtain good stats gear after 10th run ).

Barb Specific Gear consumption rate lower than general use gear. ( slower to sell )

If you obtained the HoC recipe from loots, you have a good start then. Otherwise, purchasing recipe from AH and craft/sell, it would be a long way to reach your break/even point.

If you do have a choice, Legendary always not your best ROI recipe ( except legendary/set below iLv60, brinstone excluded )
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er....do you even read? someone is offering to make HoC for users for free, and we(barbs) are gonna try our luck, the 2nd question was about brimstone rates. i dont see how your whole thing fits into the topic mate?
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 05:45 PM)
er....do you even read? someone is offering to make HoC for users for free, and we(barbs) are gonna try our luck, the 2nd question was about brimstone rates. i dont see how your whole thing fits into the topic mate?
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0.8% = 1000 salvage give you 8 brimstone from Magic i60-63
0.1% = 1000 salvage give you 1 brimstone from Rare i60-63

i think this explained why brimstone so hard to salvage from rare/magic gears


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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 2 2012, 05:54 PM)
0.8% = 1000 salvage give you 8 brimstone from Magic i60-63
0.1% = 1000 salvage give you 1 brimstone from Rare i60-63

i think this explained why brimstone so hard to salvage from rare/magic gears
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no shit sherlock?

that means you are not reading what ive just posted earlier, my friend salvaged to 800+ essences and still no brimstones, holy shit mang, can you please read?
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 06:11 PM)
no shit sherlock?

that means you are not reading what ive just posted earlier, my friend salvaged to 800+ essences and still no brimstones, holy shit mang, can you please read?
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Did blizzard guarantee every 800 salvage will give brimstone?

Did Berjaya Group Guarantee a win every 800th purchase of lottery?

Sorry my friend. Random.

there is 0.8% chance you get a brimstone from salvage only 1 blues.
BUT
There will be also around ~0.8% chance you will get nothing from salvage 1000 blues.

some called it Math
some called it Luck
some called it Conspiracy



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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 2 2012, 06:21 PM)
....

Did blizzard guarantee every 800 salvage will give brimstone?

Did Berjaya Group Guarantee a win every 800th purchase of lottery?

Sorry my friend. Random.

there is 0.8% chance you get a brimstone from salvage only 1 blues.
BUT
There will be also around ~0.8% chance you will get nothing from salvage 1000 blues.

some called it Math
some called it Luck
some called it Conspiracy
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uhhh riiigghhhhtt when several players dont get brimstones after so many salvages after patch? ok
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post Jul 3 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 2 2012, 07:23 PM)
uhhh riiigghhhhtt when several players dont get brimstones after so many salvages after patch? ok
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Bee, add me in-game. I share with you how to get reliable source for brimstone.

The only resource we can manipulate is Gold-USD rolling
Once you master this trick, you got everything you want in game. ( materials, recipe, item, golds )

Minimum Requirement :
1) RMAH Access with Paypal Link
2) Initial investment of RM50 / Gold 10M

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Result, endless supply of everything without farming.
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post Jul 3 2012, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 3 2012, 11:21 AM)
Bee, add me in-game. I share with you how to get reliable source for brimstone.

The only resource we can manipulate is Gold-USD rolling
Once you master this trick, you got everything you want in game. ( materials, recipe, item, golds )

Minimum Requirement :
1) RMAH Access with Paypal Link
2) Initial investment of RM50 / Gold 10M

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Result, endless supply of everything without farming.
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dont have both lol, idk, i just playing casually lately, abit no steam ever since last week, last nite got new rig, hopefully steam back

idk man, just pm me ur btag ill add u tonite
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Sorry Bee but I with i4 with this.

The reason is simple. It called probablity. We tend to have the gambler's fallacy to think that if its 0.8% chance, if we salvage it 800 times there will be a guaranteed outcome. No, as each time the salvage the probability resets and its back to 0.8%. So there is a possibility you can even salvage 1600 times and no brimstone or you can even do it once and hit the jackpot.

Easist way to understand this by eg Roulette. Red and Black. Chances are about 50%50% each spin. Assuming red has came out 100 times. Next spin chances of Black higher? No...cause the probablity resets again once the spin is carried out..its back to 50-50. Its just that the probability of 100 spins coming out red is really really low....

I hope you understand


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