mara loan is also a debt....waived if the scholar gets a 1st class....

you've got it wrong....the gov don't really bother about doctors leaving for the private sector anymore, not that they have really ever been, except for the 2 (previously 3) years compulsory service.....

the surplus, like you said, will make it different this time.....there is going to be fewer jobs in private, becoming a gp will be very tough (too many), and many doctors will prefer to stay on in the gov service....and being on a scholarship is going to be a plus, not a negative point....and they will get preference for gov jobs...the compulsory service will likely be scraped within the next few years, housemanship is already on contract basis...so the day will come then private students will do 2 years housemanship on contract, then will not get selected to continue in the gov service.....they will have to find work elsewhere...or be jobless....

an update for potential students intending to head to uk...

1. the peninsula medical school is now split into two separate entities, as the plymouth and the exeter med schools from next year.....

2. the liverpool school at lancaster has been given a licence to start their own separate programme, and from next year, graduates will get the lancaster mbchb instead of the liverpool one...

3. this is not really new, keele graduated their first batch of mbchb this year....previous years get the manchester mbchb....

not sure how recognition will be for 1. the peninsula degree is recognised by mmc. lancaster is not yet recognised, keele is already recognised....

they are given more money to repeat the year....

i am not kidding.....

it's still 10 years....and in the future when there is a glut of doctors, that will indeed be an asset.....at least you are 'guaranteed' a job....

that will not happen from next year, in utas, as the format is changed to be consistent with other med schools, and utas' own clinical years....ie, the semester format is removed, and it's a whole year's programme now with one final result at the end.....


This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 5 2012, 09:57 PM

yes....but not fail sem 2, there isn't a division anymore, you just fail year 2, and repeat the whole year...might as well, since it's quite pointless parking students in a secondary course for a sem, so they can repeat the failed semester....this format works for other courses, where the same unit is offered in both semesters, but not single intake courses....

btw, the semester system also works in imu due to the double intake....

yes, it is to bring the first 2 years in line with the clinical years, like i said above......

the discussion is about potential and current students in oz, and does not mean necessarily means working there, and there is increasing probability that many will not get internship jobs there in future....

also, this thread is about medical students, hence the focus in about getting into, and focusing on medical studies.....postgraduate issues will be inappropriate for students at this point......

intentions, and the actual ability to are different matters.....and increasingly, both uk and oz are closing doors to international students staying on and working after graduating.....

the same will be happening to working in spore as well, in the near future.....

which is why is amusing to read students of local med schools not recognised elsewhere talk about going to work and do postgraduate training in these developed countries....

as for postgraduate issues, pagalavan's blog would probably be a better place to ask and discuss.....

img refers to doctors who graduated outside these countries.....international students who studied and graduated there are not considered img.....

it is possible to get jobs beyond fy in uk....the visa requirements will be met, as long as there is a job offer, and that is possible in some circumstances....particularly for top students with good references.....

dr. sim is no longer with the moh officially....

yes..........

It is not difficult if you choose the less popular disciplines......

The uni results help you get good fy rotations......then the consultants' references are all important.....

Like i said, it is possible.....just only if you really want or not.....eg a colleague's daughter rejected a paediatrics rotation for ophthalmology in spore.....she cannot get oph in uk, and there is pressure to complete exams quick and continue to get jobs to qualify for the tier 2 visa.....

take a 'gap' year off....well, 9 months off.....go do things she likes/want to do, preferably nothing to do with medicine....believe me, after this, there will be NO time for anything else....

relative got a travel and work visa to oz, and worked in sales....earn some money, and visited several cities...

your results suggest you are NOT suitable to become a doctor....there are so many people with straight as even in the trial exam, they will be more qualified....most students do get better final results in spm compared to the school trials, but it is unlikely and unusual for students to do dramatically better, so that trial result will translate into mostly b's and a few low a's in the final result...if you get any c in the sciences and maths, you will NOT be allowed to enter medicine, as a mmc ruling....

but you are lucky this is malaysia, as it is one country where you can buy a doctor's degree...

if you manage to get at least b's in sciences and math,
you can do a pre-u, like a levels, and if you do get at least 3b, and have the money, you can enter one if the numerous ipts med schools.....

however, scholarship is out of the question....your grades are not good enough....

i would however advise you to change you mindset, and prepare yourself for a career in something else...just because you want to be a doctor, does NOT mean you can, or should be allowed to....i do NOT think you are academically qualified....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 20 2012, 03:01 PM

i have never seen b and c students at spm become a students in a proper pre-u...

have you?....

however, i have seen them become a students at some 'foundation' programme for russian med schools....

With the tsunami of housemans, popular posts will fill up quickly, and you will get asigned somewhere.....they do not entertain appeals anymore, if you don't want, they will send someone else, and you can wait.....

So advise is, choose a smaller hospital, especially further from klang valley.....otherwise they may just assign sabah or sarawak to you.....

the med schools to aim for are the ones you cannot qualify academically to get entry into......lol

true for probably 80% of med students in bolehland at the moment.....

if stringent criteria as demanded for med schools in developed countries are applied, many in imu and monash will also NOT qualify.....

the priority at the moment is to fill up all available places and make money for the ipts......and comply with the nep for ipta....NOT set standards to choose the best qualified students...

it is worrying, when students decide, even before they even graduate (and some, even before managing to enter med school) what they want to do on the basis of money.....not interest and talent....