http://www.amsa.org.au/internship-crisis

the shortfall is shrinking, as new internship places are being created....down from the iriginal 495 to current 373.....

tasmania has guaranteed all csp students intern places...

tasmania has a population of 1/2 million, and needs only about 50-60 new doctors a year, so current numbers are significantly more than is required....traditionally, since the med school was established in the 60's many victoria students who can't get a place in the then only 2 med schools go to utas, and then return to vic for jobs....as can be seen from the vic numbers, vic now has surplus and likely not take interstate graduates....remember, vic place priority in selection on vic graduates, irrespective of residency status in oz.....

the good news is that all states are now actively looking at solving this problem......and may eventually be able to place all internationals who want internship....the 'bad' news is, this will often mean regional/rural jobs....

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Added on July 25, 2012, 12:12 pmthe new policy of graduate visas is a different thing from internship....

the graduate visa is just to allow students to stay on for a time, and does NOT guarantee a job...

internship is a guaranteed job.....

the tuition fees charged is for education, and not to 'buy' a job after graduating....therefore like all courses, no university can guarantee a job for their students.....in spite of increasing fees, and the strong aud, there appears to be no shortage of applicants for these places.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 25 2012, 12:32 PM

sorry, did not make myself clear.....i do not mean internship is guaranteed....but that medical internship is a 'guaranteed' paying job, ie, it's employment with salary (in contrast to internship/attachment in other professions, which is non salaried)..... therefore, it is not guaranteed, just like any other jobs...

i have already stated above that victoria now place international students in vic 2nd priority over interstate students (both local and international)....just behind local students in vic, which will still get 1st priority.....

and of interest to monash sunway mbbs students, they are placed in the same group as those interstate students.....ie have the same chances as international students studying onshore in the other states....however, looking at the numbers, it is unlikely many, or any will get jobs in 2013....as the shortage is >100 places....unless many csp students go interstate, and international students go to other countries...

i think the jury is out here.....

gmc will accredit the degree, so it will be allowed for provisional registration with gmc for the purpose of f1 and f2....

how the final year students will fit into the new system of f1 application and placement is unknown....there will be a test final year students in uk have to sit for nowadays....the score together with their final results will be used in ranking of applicants to the deaneries....

they do take in img into f1....and at the moment, it appears the available f1 places surpasses the number of graduating doctors from uk.....at least for 2012....

the other unknown is how ukba will look at this, whether they will issue tier 4 visas for non uk graduates for f1.....currently f1/f2 doctors gets extension of their existing tier4 student visas when offered f1......

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Added on July 25, 2012, 10:48 pmi think most monash msia students already know that....especially those who have applied direct entry into oz med schools.....the cut off between the clayton and sunway campus is like a world apart.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 25 2012, 10:48 PM

why?

the listing of ihh, which owns imu, will have a negligible financial impact on the operations of imu....

it is not possible for clinical training to take place in private hospitals in the present msian context.....

recent news about the private sector undertaking postgraduate training is just hot air...

only if they are not paying....

try get a bad outcome in private practice on a paying patient, and see what happens...

medical indemnity insurance premiums have doubled in the last 6 years....

this guy is obviously a fake...i don't know what he and the father were thinking, to think they can get away with it in this age....

it is standard practice in many countries to perform qualification verification at source, ie they don't really bother with the cert itself, but will write to the university directly.....

it is still not a common practice in msia, but i know some private hospitals that is doing this.....and it is one of the requirements under jci accreditation.....

going forward, it will likely be an important component in the assessment of application for jobs....

in msia, it is already a requirement for all registered medical practitioner to quote their mmc no. in all documents.....anyone can verify the identity of any doctor here: http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=50

if it is not an official elective, don't bother writing/emailing officially.....the best way is to know people, and do unofficial attachments.....

but quite pointless, as one doesn't learn much from hospital attachments after the 1st year....better enjoy the holidays.....there will be no more long holidays once into the clinical years....

A levels results will be out on the 16th.....

in the past, it was 1 august, and that could be a weekend, so you can imagine the chaos sometimes....they have changed to the 1sy Wednesday of august, which is midweek, and should have maximum staff strength available.....

it's actually more than 4 days in most unis.....eg, nottingham actually devoted 2 scheduled 'shadowing' periods before the new housemans start, 4 and 2 weeks respectively, so that new doctors can merge into service as seamlessly as possible....

he lied....openly.....and stupid enough to think he can get away with it....

he can mis-represent himself with his qualification in traditional medicine (if that is indeed itself true), but to claim qualification from kings, and royal college of surgeons of london (doesn't exist) is outright fraud....

usm is not recognised.....

msian medical degrees are not recognised in other countries....

however, graduates from the university of malaya in msia (ie graduates from 1969 to 1989) are recognised by the gmc in uk, and can register as a practitioner without condition....

pmc irish degrees are only recognised in ireland and msia.....opportunity to perform housemanship in ireland is now restricted as there are not enough places.....so generally, one is confined to work in msia.....

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Added on August 19, 2012, 10:04 amthere is no need to buy expensive stets.....the usual classic is fine.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 19 2012, 01:59 PM

if you are referring to msian housemanship, there is no fixed date of start...people are posted as and when there are available vacancies....and since there is no more shortage, the usual civil service induction programme as applicable for all other civil servants will also apply before start of work......

these students should at least be above average.....at least as far as their pre-u results is concerned...(4.0 in matrik however doesn't say too much, as about 10% of matrik students get that, ie it's just atar90 and above.....)

and it's a lifeline to the new med schools, which are facing dropping enrolment due to stricter selection criteria imposed by mmc....

as for numed, i don't quite understand the dean's logic on how this establishment will reduce the brain drain.....if students are allowed provisional registration with the gmc, it means they can also apply for fy.....and i foresee the majority will (except perhaps the scholars)....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 22 2012, 03:03 PM

why are they so vague about their requirements?....even for ielts and toefl and muet, they refused to clearly state their requirements.....

what does 'successful passage' of these tests mean?.....muet band 1, ielts band 1 acceptable?.....

they are certainly leaving the door open for 'individual adjustments' by not making a stand on what they want....

you obviously do not know that many 'govt uni', or ipta, does NOT need muet for admission....and only need muet band 1 to graduate their students.....

but that's beside the point....band 1 is also 'successful passage' through muet....because there is NO pass or fail band in these exams....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 23 2012, 11:01 PM

wow....they are desperate.....enrolment must be dismal.....

and the big selling point?....'opportunity for periods of study in the uk'.....

afaik, there is no provision in the programme for any attachment in the uk, unlike monash's where there is a mandated 3-4 months attachment in melbourne to ensure students are familiar with the aussie healthcare system....

but i suppose it is possible to do some kind of short term exchange to newcastle upon tyne.....

but it must be quite a shock for unewcastle to experience lack of suitable students....when they have abundant excellent students to choose at will in the uk....