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post May 26 2017, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 26 2017, 05:06 PM)
Correct. Its acute medicine.
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ah, acute medicine. interesting and exciting to have it as an fy1.

im enjoying it as a med student, always like to pop in the admissions unit during any of my rotations. biggrin.gif (get to clerk in patients and do investigations and stuff)
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post Aug 15 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 15 2017, 09:12 PM)
there is nothing to defend...anyone worth his salt will have done a proper pre u....if they want it fast, do the ausmat/sam lah.....same 1 year....

mmc should have followed the bar council's action, restricting only those with a proper pre-u to sit for the clp....
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IMO, if they know what they want and where to go, just let them do it as long they are committed regardless of what pre-u. (1 year in comparison to 1 and a half to 2 )

I dont believe coming from different pre-u course gives you an advantage or disadvantage in terms of academic wise since you generally ease into the medical course as long you do what is needed. A levels was tough but defo doable with all the past year questions. (regurgitating is all you need)

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post Aug 15 2017, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 15 2017, 11:28 PM)
the problem is, many "foundations" are sham courses to enable students to get into medicine....d and e students in spm miraculously become a students in these foundations, some of which are as short as 5 months....

it is for this reason that the mmc guidelines specifically include spm results for those doing foundation....5b in maths and sciences being the minimum....
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yeah, as long the students are aware of the minimum requirement by MMC, which hopefully is stated everywhere now.
to me, is more of the "cheaper" courses from russia, indonesia and etc which gets me worried.
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post Aug 25 2017, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 25 2017, 08:21 AM)
Glasgow and St George's in clearing for medicine, for international students this year.
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hmm, glasgow has already closed their clearing and is already filled up in st georges. I heard Liverpool went to clearing as well.

I wonder whats the main reason behind it. was it the exorbitant fees or was it something else like the state of NHS. tongue.gif
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post Sep 5 2017, 06:01 AM

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update on reducing subsidy for medical students in the UK.
it will be implemented on 2019-2020, rather than 2018-2019 as planned.
Guess this will be coming true.

"International students
2.9. The consultation outlined the Government’s intention to increase domestic supply and
charge international students the full costs of their course from 2018-19.
2.10. Following feedback provided through the consultation, these changes will commence in
2019-20 and not in 2018-19 as indicated in the consultation. This means the
Government will continue to fund clinical placements for international students
commencing study at English universities in 2018-19 while it undertakes further crossgovernment
work on implementing the change in 2019-20. "

@limeuu @zeng

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...esponse__2_.pdf
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post Sep 24 2017, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(Stamp @ Sep 23 2017, 08:32 PM)
My niece's application for housemanship waiver was approved my MMC. She finished her 1st year housemanship in UK after completing her medical degree in London. She will start as an MO in a govt hospital for the compulsory 2-year service.

Did anyone (overseas medical graduate) receive similar waiver from MMC before?
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Never of anyone getting a waiver before but its interesting she came back before she finished her 2nd year. she could have just finished off her second year in uk and get an exemption from the compulsory service.


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post Sep 24 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 24 2017, 12:16 PM)
Statutory requirement is one year for full registration in both countries, although the fy/housemanship are 2 years....

There is no exemption for compulsory service based on years worked in other countries...

Going forward, the criteria for housemanship and compulsory service exemption will be relaxed, as the system strains under the tsunami....
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its based off what paga has mentioned regarding the recent change in the system in about july, aka kelonggaran which you can apply for.

https://pagal72.files.wordpress.com/2017/08...equest-form.pdf

points 3.1 and 3.2.


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post Sep 24 2017, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 24 2017, 07:11 PM)
Yes, that is for self sponsored students who has undergone recognise work...what is recognised is not specified...

Does not apply to jpa scholars like stamp's niece....

Reading between the lines, it's targeted at graduates from the OECD countries....nobody stays on to work in Russia, Indonesia or Egypt....
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oh, i didnt notice she mentioned her niece was a jpa scholar.
my bad then
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post Sep 26 2017, 05:24 AM

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QUOTE(Stamp @ Sep 25 2017, 05:55 PM)
I cautioned my niece to get everything in black and white from JPA and not assume that every MMC decisions automatically apply to JPA scholarship bond.

This is to avoid unecessary embarassment and hardship to her should JPA decide to issue  a demand letter for a RM1 million to her for having allegedly breached the contract. My sister (her mother) nanti pengsan!  biggrin.gif
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All the best for your niece in Malaysia. smile.gif
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post Sep 28 2017, 04:32 AM

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QUOTE(Stamp @ Sep 27 2017, 06:14 PM)
Of course she did her clinical rotations in UK after she graduated as a medical doctor  doh.gif . She had 3 different rotations at the hospitals she was attached to during the first year of the foundation year. She's now a registered doctor in UK (and also now in Malaysia).

Why the "cynical" queries from you?  You think MMC would just simply waive the HMO requirement for medical graduates who do not go through the normal housemanship practice? Give MMC some credit laaaa..
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I dont think he was being "cynical", but just concerned regarding her ability to cope with MOship in Malaysia.
I believed he did not doubt what rotations she has done but rather what her job entailed. Fy1 in UK, as alot people have heard about, can be quite supranumerary in terms of patient management, as in youre doing just most of the jobs ( usually set by the consultants and regs).
Its still a learning year and alot of it is due down to meaningless paperwork.

However, you still grow alot from a med student to being a doctor. I believe she will do fine as a MO in malaysia, even though she might struggle alittle at the start.

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post Sep 28 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 28 2017, 03:59 PM)
The NHS practices a super defensive type of medicine, so no unnecessary risks. However when an F1 has to run wards solo on on call days/nights, training is full on. But at least no such thing as 36 hour shifts, even when doctors are short in the UK. Am in a house with 2 F1s now. Life seems pretty decent here, as far as I can see.
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I feel this more in district general hospitals more than centralised ones. (its understandable but it gets ridiculous if youre getting patients to have unnecessary blood samples/imaging if it doesnt change your management imo)

haha, a max 12 hour shift here is enough to make the doctors wear out. smile.gif
Whereabouts are you at?
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post Sep 29 2017, 03:25 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 28 2017, 07:59 PM)
They're in a 700 bed hospital in Merseyside. One's in medical and the other in surgical rotation.
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i see.
im currently at a small dgh of 420 beds at the moment. sweat.gif
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post Oct 4 2017, 01:35 AM

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cant decide where to apply to for foundation jobs next year. urgh
The struggle is real.
cant believe sjt will be the main decider on where you go..
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post Oct 4 2017, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 4 2017, 05:56 AM)
Do you have a preference or a favourite? Relative got his first choice. I think your decile helps too?
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so far deciding between south yorkshire (aka sheffield) and northwest (liverpool/manchester) areas.

decile does help but its only a max of 43 whereas sjt is 50 which is variable based on how you answer the questions.
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post Dec 12 2017, 08:55 PM

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Interesting points being put out between medicine vs non-medical careers.
Imo, I have only experience from being in the healthcare system overseas but the fact is, your skillset will be valued around the country or even the world. (maybe less so for graduates locally due to limited opportunities)
The job is difficult with long hours, constant fear of making mistakes/not following the guidelines, unrealistic expectations from consultants and patients. However, there will be vast opportunity to pursue multiple opportunities within the field or out of the field like medical law, management, leadership, education, journalism etc.
Essentially, the world is your oyster as long youre willing to work hard.

It will be interesting to see the future of UK healthcare system with Brexit, limited funding, and increase complexity of cases with the aging population.
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post Dec 14 2017, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Dec 13 2017, 03:46 PM)
How are locum opportunities for F1s in Glasgow?
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As an F1, you can only locum internally in the hospital (usually in the acute medical rota based on what ive seen)

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post Dec 17 2017, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 17 2017, 10:49 AM)
Non-UK graduates completing all parts in MRCOG/MRCP/MRCS qualifies one for entry into subspecialist training in say, UK/Spore.
However it was said before that UK granted visa that forbids 'training', is the 'unfavourable' rule still current now ?
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I believe graduates are eligible for training if they complete their postgrad exams.
I know a msian doctor from UM who is currently on the paediatric training programme in the UK after completing his MRCPCH in Malaysia.
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post Dec 17 2017, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 17 2017, 08:49 PM)
Thanks, Jckc.
That's really great news for KL holders of MRCS/MRCP/CH/OG 'obstructed' by local Master's programmes, it seems.
Not sure if there is such similar case of acceptance in Spore though.

Any indication of when was the switch-over in UK rules ?
... as the 'unfavourable' rule was said to be valid in 2009/2010 .
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no idea, sorry :/
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post Dec 17 2017, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Dec 17 2017, 10:50 PM)
Is this training "limited" in the sense that once you're done with training, you have to leave the UK, or do you get to apply on equal basis with the locals to continue working?
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Once youre in the training programme, you'll be granted the visa duration to complete the training to consultant (aka CCT) if it is a run through programme, aka no need to reapply for higher specialty training. Might need to renew the visa after 5 years/apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) if your training is longer than 5 years. (the Tier 2 visa is usually given at max of 5 years at once)

If youre in a medicine/surgery core training programme, you'll need to reapply for Higher specialty training after 2/3 years. (At this point, then you'll once again be subjected to RLMT aka round 2 if you are not a local/uk trained doctor.)

Disclaimer: this is what I'm aware of so far as a final year med student and from talking to other msian doctors in the UK. smile.gif
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post Dec 19 2017, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 19 2017, 09:36 AM)
Found out from her that in her hospital, she thinks there are opportunities for locum but probably for F2 and above. Not sure about other Glasgow hospitals. She doesn't sound keen at the moment and is more interested in planning where to travel.

Just before starting work, she went to Italy for 2 weeks and another 2 weeks in US. She went to Greece during the recent break and has her plans set for CNY and May 2018 as well. hmm.gif
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You actually earn alot as a FY in scotland if youre banded.


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