It's a bit too early to make any comments on how it will be 2 years later.

Talk about now...
New medical graduates now have to wait at least 10 months to get the HO job.
(during my days I only waited 4 months after graduate)
Even HO posts are inadequate now... What are they going to do during these 10 months? Grow mushroom perhaps....

the waiting time will get shorter...as they try to clear the backlog...moh/spa has created another 1500 contract jobs for ho...but spa has been extreme slow is processing applications...remember, it's NOT moh that employs these contract doctors, but spa...

in the old days when doctors are short, they short circuit the spa process, and doctors undergo the spa recruitment process AFTER they started work....now, everything goes by the book...

The 1500 jobs can only fill some of those who graduated in 2016. What about the soon-graduating-2017 batch?


No woh... Last time I attended the interview 2-3 days after my final result came out. What's your time?
Or do you mean the induction/BTN?

the 1500 extra posts is above and over the 5000 a year available from the original ho programme...the problem is, when 30% don't finish on time, that's 1500 posts that is not freed....

as those extended completes, it frees up the locked 1500 posts and allows more to be taken in...so it rolls on...

well, it's at least an attempt at mitigating the situation by the moh....who are saddled with a problem they did not create...the creator of the problem don't care, as once the student graduates, it's not their problem anymore...

the old days really means the old days lah....lol...your time, i think 2013 or thereabouts, they already complying with spa processes....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 23 2017, 07:12 PM

My time was 2009 woh... The last batch who experiences only 6 HOs in a department, doing almost EOD on calls with NO post call off...

You have been tested by fire and survived. Be proud...

I don't know how I have survived.
I remembered, I used up all my 4 month on call money and half month salary to buy a RM6k iMac...

On call money?....I come from a time when we work for free...lol

You must be from the era of shift system.
You have RM600 allowance what...

I repeat....Free, gratis, nothing....

The shift system comes after the on call allowance...Google when call allowance was implemented....lol

If you were from the era with no call allowance, then you must be old enough to be call consultant or the same age with consultants who are retired/retiring soon I supposed?

You're assuming too much. There's nothing wrong with asking what are the pathways after housemanship. And no I'm not daydreaming. I want to have a long term goal so I can focus and prepare for that goal.

But anyways thanks for that info. An interesting insight. Now need to study hard for exams.

This post has been edited by Hunther: Apr 23 2017, 11:56 PM

Before you think about your long term goal, just achieve your short term goal first i.e. pass your final exam.
It is useless to have fantastic long term goal ahead if you fail your exit exam.
Not to mention about completing housemanship (you haven't even exposed to the real life of the training, you are still not sure whether you are suitable with a doctor's life yet and whether your bosses are satisfied with your work)
Hey, that's Mars, please come back to the Earth....(;;)

Okay, sorry for asking then.

my question remains....what do you mean by "masters overseas"?...

Anyone thinking about doing their masters overseas?

what do you mean by "master overseas"?

I think for now the only appropriate slightly-longer-term plan after graduate to make is to think where you want to practise.
If you want to practise in overseas, you may have to study extra (probably double or triple) hard in order to prepare for their entrance exam (unless your degree is readily recognized by their medical councils).

Yes thank you so much. This is what I was asking tbh. Yes I know I'm still a student and I have a long way more to go and I should be focusing on exam but I wanted to inquire if anyone thought of practicing or continuing to their master overseas, what exactly that needs to be done. Is there extra things I need to prepare during my housemanship?

it is worrying when 4th year medical students have very poor knowledge about the profession they will soon be a part of....

hunther has refused to answer what he means by "masters overseas", but from the context of the question, he probably means postgraduate training overseas, and assumed it's also "masters" like msia....and from the question, he is likely from an ipta...

fact 1: doing a "masters" somewhere overseas is NOT a specialist qualification....

fact 2: the majority of msian medical degrees are not recognised out of malaysia....

fact 3: medical postgraduate training is NOT attending a course like undergraduate medicine, but a full time work and part time study commitment....key word is WORK...

fact 4: if you are not registrable, you CANNOT work as a doctor....and if you cannot work, you cannot undergo postgraduate/specialist training....

a good read at pagalavan.com will be useful, maybe buy his books...will clear up all the misconceptions....